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post #1 of 27
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Hello,
My cat has had a urinary tract and bladder infection about every two years. My vet put her on a special diet food formulated specifically for urinary and bladder health.

Problem is, it's fattening. He even said it when he prescribed her to it. And boy, was he right. She's really gaining weight.

I'm walking a tightrope here. On one side, bladder and urinary infections, on the other, overweight kitty.


I've read that cranberry is good for a cat's bladder and urinary health. Do you think that cranberry supplement or juice would do the same job as the prescribed food, if I use it with a healthy weight control food?

Or do you all know of a good food for bladder and urinary health taht is not fattening?

Thanks a million,
Mike
post #2 of 27
Did your vet give you the wet or the dry version? Wet will have a much better chance of not making your cat fat. Also, I don't think you need to feed the urinary food Every day in order for it to be effective. So you could complement it with some high quality wet or commercial raw to help him stay healthy.
post #3 of 27
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Originally Posted by Minka View Post
Did your vet give you the wet or the dry version? Wet will have a much better chance of not making your cat fat. Also, I don't think you need to feed the urinary food Every day in order for it to be effective. So you could complement it with some high quality wet or commercial raw to help him stay healthy.
Hi,
He prescribed her the wet and the dry, so your solution of serving the wet but not every day will work perfectly; now I can go back to the food that kept her weight under control, Blue Buffalo. Thanks so much for the answer!
post #4 of 27
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Originally Posted by Babs' Slave View Post
Hi,
He prescribed her the wet and the dry, so your solution of serving the wet but not every day will work perfectly; now I can go back to the food that kept her weight under control, Blue Buffalo. Thanks so much for the answer!
None of us are veterinarians. Some of us are veterinarian technicians and I am one of them. However I would recommend you speak to the veterinarian before changing her diet. I agree with Minka wet is less likely to put weight on your cat.

But I have NO idea if she needs the prescription feed everyday. I would not give her any nonprescription food without speaking to your veterinarian. Just my .
post #5 of 27
The simplest solution IMO is to simply feed less calories.

If you're free feeding, stop. If you're scheduled portion feeding, feed less.

Voila.
post #6 of 27
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Originally Posted by Cat Person View Post
None of us are veterinarians. Some of us are veterinarian technicians and I am one of them. However I would recommend you speak to the veterinarian before changing her diet. I agree with Minka wet is less likely to put weight on your cat.

But I have NO idea if she needs the prescription feed everyday. I would not give her any nonprescription food without speaking to your veterinarian. Just my .
Thanks for the advice. What I want to do is feed her Blue and 1/4 a can of the prescribed wet food a day. I'll ask my vet about that.
post #7 of 27
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Originally Posted by Ducman69 View Post
The simplest solution IMO is to simply feed less calories.

If you're free feeding, stop. If you're scheduled portion feeding, feed less.

Voila.
The vet said to feed her 1/4 less than what the package says to feed her. The problem with that is when I do that, she meows loudly during the night when she gets hungry. I told myself I would just bear it until she stopped, but I lost that battle after a week or two, I just couldn't stand it. So now, when she wakes me up, I give her a little food and go back to bed.
post #8 of 27
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Originally Posted by Babs' Slave View Post
The vet said to feed her 1/4 less than what the package says to feed her. The problem with that is when I do that, she meows loudly during the night when she gets hungry. I told myself I would just bear it until she stopped, but I lost that battle after a week or two, I just couldn't stand it. So now, when she wakes me up, I give her a little food and go back to bed.
Alright, well then what you need to do is feed less, but also More meals.
If you are fine with getting up during the night (my cat also wakes me up for his 4am or 9am meals, depending on when I'm asleep), just make that an official meal time.

So say, instead of feeding the measured amount throughout the day, and then giving a handful at night, measure it out in the morning in a cup, and then split that into all her meals of the day and night.

Example: If you were giving her 3 meals a day, 8am Noon and 8pm, totaling 1/2 cup, and then giving her a handful at night; instead measure out 1/2 cup in the morning and split it into 4 portions, giving it at 8am Noon 8pm and 3am (or whenever she wakes you up).
post #9 of 27
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Originally Posted by Minka View Post
Alright, well then what you need to do is feed less, but also More meals.
If you are fine with getting up during the night (my cat also wakes me up for his 4am or 9am meals, depending on when I'm asleep), just make that an official meal time.

So say, instead of feeding the measured amount throughout the day, and then giving a handful at night, measure it out in the morning in a cup, and then split that into all her meals of the day and night.

Example: If you were giving her 3 meals a day, 8am Noon and 8pm, totaling 1/2 cup, and then giving her a handful at night; instead measure out 1/2 cup in the morning and split it into 4 portions, giving it at 8am Noon 8pm and 3am (or whenever she wakes you up).
Glad I am not the only one with a early morning wake up system....

small meals through the day as your schedule allows or possibly look at one of the number of timed auto feeders on the market... some are two meals on set times up to 5 ( anyone seen more than 5?).. You set the timer and kitty gets food on schedule throughout day and night..

At my house four cats get 1/2 given four times a day when I can... Most days it is 2/3 three times a day ( yes this = more but they are all at perfect wts so can have a bit more)...
post #10 of 27
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Update: I found a cat food that is supposed to be really good for urinary tract health, with the added bonus of being a weigh management food, so I showed my vet the ingredients. He says it's comparable to the prescription food, so he told me to go ahead and try it out.

I will take the advice given here about feeding schedules.

Thanks everyone for all your help. And Babbette says thank you, as well. My cat PJ would thank you, but he only knows one word - "now".
post #11 of 27
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Originally Posted by Babs' Slave View Post
Update: I found a cat food that is supposed to be really good for urinary tract health, with the added bonus of being a weigh management food, so I showed my vet the ingredients. He says it's comparable to the prescription food, so he told me to go ahead and try it out.
Be prepared to give some salmon oil to your cat as a supplement because the weigh management foods tend to ruin cat's coat.

I would rather recommend to feed something good quality, but lesser amount, the 'light foods' usually have horrible ingredients (even the prescription ones). No dry if possible. But do listen to your vet about what the cat needs in order to keep the urinary issues under control.
post #12 of 27
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Hi,
Thanks for the advice.

I read many reviews of the new food before I decided to purchase it, and they are all good. The only thing negative at all is that some cats didn't like the taste but most do.

I checked the ingredients as well, and they seem very good - no meat byproducts or grains. Plus, my vet looked over the ingredients and he liked it.

But this isn't marketed as "diet"; it just adds it as a plus in the description, so that may be why it's healthy as opposed to most diet foods.

I might indeed need to add salmon oil, because none of the reviews of the food made any claims about the coat at all.

Thanks very much for the tip!

However, I've checked the ingredients, and they seem very good - no by products or grains.
post #13 of 27
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Originally Posted by Babs' Slave View Post
Hi,
Thanks for the advice.

I read many reviews of the new food before I decided to purchase it, and they are all good. The only thing negative at all is that some cats didn't like the taste but most do.

I checked the ingredients as well, and they seem very good - no meat byproducts or grains. Plus, my vet looked over the ingredients and he liked it.

But this isn't marketed as "diet"; it just adds it as a plus in the description, so that may be why it's healthy as opposed to most diet foods.

I might indeed need to add salmon oil, because none of the reviews of the food made any claims about the coat at all.

Thanks very much for the tip!

However, I've checked the ingredients, and they seem very good - no by products or grains.
I'm glad you found a solution to your dilema. I was going to say feed less and more often of the prescription diet your vet recommended. Try to post an update on your progress if you can find the time
post #14 of 27
Hi, I'm new on this forum....My 5 yo cat is in the hospital now with a blocked bladder, he is doing better & hopefully will come home tomorrow, I had no idea this was a huge problem with mostly male cats. I've had cats in the past and never once did any of my others cats get this. Anyway, my questions is what is the best food out there to give my kittly so this won't happen again. Im sure my vet will describe a special food but I wanted to hear other options. Thanks so much
post #15 of 27
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Originally Posted by NutroMike View Post
I'm glad you found a solution to your dilema. I was going to say feed less and more often of the prescription diet your vet recommended. Try to post an update on your progress if you can find the time
I sure will. I've ordered the food, but it hasn't got here yet. I'll let ya'll know how she takes to it.

Edit: Funny coincidence - it arrived as I was typing this.

Thanks again, everyone.
post #16 of 27
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I gave Babs a few kibbles, and she gobbled it up quickly. Now I'll slowly integrate it into her diet until it's switched over completely.
post #17 of 27
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Originally Posted by My2catsabc View Post
Hi, I'm new on this forum....My 5 yo cat is in the hospital now with a blocked bladder, he is doing better & hopefully will come home tomorrow, I had no idea this was a huge problem with mostly male cats. I've had cats in the past and never once did any of my others cats get this. Anyway, my questions is what is the best food out there to give my kittly so this won't happen again. Im sure my vet will describe a special food but I wanted to hear other options. Thanks so much
I've heard that it's more frequent in females but much more dangerous in males. I think you are blessed that you got him to the vet in time. I give him a prayer for his restored health.

The prescription food I gave to my cat was evidently very tasty, and supposedly very good for urinary tract health, I don't know about bladder. Big problem is that it is very fattening. So, as you can see by this thread, I found a substitute food that was approved by my vet, being very similar to the food he prescribed.

If the owners and mods of the site are okay with it, I will tell you the food 's name, with the caveat being of course that I recommend you tell the ingredients to and get approval from your vet.
post #18 of 27
Getting pestered by your cat?

Solution: Autofeeder!


Great for when you have to head out or are on vacation too, and they get used to the schedule quickly and will hover right next to the feeder rather than you. Wesley slaps it sometimes when he's impatient close to feeding time, but better annoy an inanimate object than me heheh.
post #19 of 27
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Originally Posted by Ducman69 View Post
Getting pestered by your cat?

Solution: Autofeeder!


Great for when you have to head out or are on vacation too, and they get used to the schedule quickly and will hover right next to the feeder rather than you. Wesley slaps it sometimes when he's impatient close to feeding time, but better annoy an inanimate object than me heheh.
May I ask a slightly off topic ?? How many times a day can you program it for?
post #20 of 27
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May I ask a slightly off topic ?? How many times a day can you program it for?
Only three times a day, but with two then six times a day. If you feed a mixed diet though, not having to worry about say three out of five meals is still a big relief so you can get things done outside the house IMO. Its the Petmate LeBistro that holds 10lbs of food, and was $60 shipped when I got it.
post #21 of 27
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Originally Posted by Ducman69 View Post
Getting pestered by your cat?

Solution: Autofeeder!


Great for when you have to head out or are on vacation too, and they get used to the schedule quickly and will hover right next to the feeder rather than you. Wesley slaps it sometimes when he's impatient close to feeding time, but better annoy an inanimate object than me heheh.
Whats that green thing in the middle btw?
post #22 of 27
To the OP - I am curious.... What is this food you ordered, that is comparable to a prescription food in benefits to urinary health, is marketed as a diet food, and yet has no grain and no by-products?
Sounds quite different......
post #23 of 27
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Originally Posted by Babs' Slave View Post
I've heard that it's more frequent in females but much more dangerous in males. I think you are blessed that you got him to the vet in time. I give him a prayer for his restored health.

The prescription food I gave to my cat was evidently very tasty, and supposedly very good for urinary tract health, I don't know about bladder. Big problem is that it is very fattening. So, as you can see by this thread, I found a substitute food that was approved by my vet, being very similar to the food he prescribed.

If the owners and mods of the site are okay with it, I will tell you the food 's name, with the caveat being of course that I recommend you tell the ingredients to and get approval from your vet.
Hi, Babs' Slave. Welcome to TCS!

Since your need is the same as My2catsabc, I'm going to give you the same info and resources. I think you might be surprised at some of the information.

First, the most important step you can take for urinary tract health is to remove kibble from your cat's diet. Truly! Cats evolved from desert animals and don't have the drive to drink when they're thirsty, so cats fed kibble are chronically dehydrated. This puts stress on their organs and concentrates their urine - suspected to be the single biggest cause of urinary tract issues.

CatInfo.org has a very detailed article titled Feline Urinary Tract Health: Cystitis, Urethral Obstruction, Urinary Tract Infection:

If I could have the reader of this webpage take away just one word from this discussion, it would be "water". If your cat is on a properly hydrated diet of 100% canned food - and no dry food - you stand a very good chance of never needing to read this webpage.

Always keep in mind that water flowing through the urinary tract system is the most important factor in keeping it healthy.

Note that I said "water" - not "crystals" or "urine pH" - or any of the expensive prescription diets often recommended by veterinarians.

A cat's normal prey is ~70% water. Canned food is ~78% water. Dry food is ~5-10% water. Cats have a low thirst drive and do not make up the deficit at the water bowl. They are designed to get water with their food.

Little Big Cat (Dr. Hofve) has several articles on this and related topics: "Urinary Tract Disorders in Cats" and "Kidney Disease in Older Cats" are just a couple of them (the former includes a discussion on veterinarian prescription diets):

There are many medical diets made to dissolve struvite stones and to prevent recurrence of struvite and calcium oxalate stones. These include Hill’s s/d, c/d(s) and c/d(o), Purina CNM-UR, Waltham’s Control pHormula, and others. These are only available through veterinarians since they create specific acid-base conditions in the cat’s body that should be monitored by your vet. Canned versions of these foods are vastly preferable to dry, although none of them contain the high quality ingredients we recommend and consist mainly of by-products and grains.

In one study, 60% of cats on a single dry food were symptom-free for a year, compared to 90% of cats eating one canned food. Homemade, organic, natural diets are always on the top of the “good†list for treating this and other chronic disease conditions, but only if they can be fed consistently. Diet changes must always be made gradually to minimize stress on the cat.
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Cranberry extract is beneficial for many animals, especially dogs, who tend to have actual infections of the bladder. Cranberry is thought to prevent the attachment of the E. coli bacteria to the bladder wall. Because bacteria are not present in most cases FLUTD, it may be less beneficial for cats. However, cranberry has still been helpful in many cases, even those without any evidence of bacteria. Cranberry capsules are available at the health food store (typically in 250 mg strength which is a good once-a-day dose for cats), and are very safe to give long-term.

Little Big Cat has another article titled "Selecting a Good Commercial Pet Food" that you might find helpful, and Feline-nutrition.org has a nice article in their Nutrition section dissecting pet food labels to get to a real understanding of the product's ingredients called "Reading a Pet Food Ingredient Label".

Good luck with your girl!

AC
post #24 of 27
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Originally Posted by Carolina View Post
To the OP - I am curious.... What is this food you ordered, that is comparable to a prescription food in benefits to urinary health, is marketed as a diet food, and yet has no grain and no by-products?
Sounds quite different......
Hi, It's Castor & Pollux. There are many varieties available. It's not marketed as diet, but it contains an ingredient it says helps break down fat.
post #25 of 27
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Originally Posted by Ducman69 View Post
Getting pestered by your cat?

Solution: Autofeeder!


Great for when you have to head out or are on vacation too, and they get used to the schedule quickly and will hover right next to the feeder rather than you. Wesley slaps it sometimes when he's impatient close to feeding time, but better annoy an inanimate object than me heheh.
Hi, thanks very for that info. That looks nice!
post #26 of 27
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Originally Posted by Auntie Crazy View Post
Hi, Babs' Slave. Welcome to TCS!

Since your need is the same as My2catsabc, I'm going to give you the same info and resources. I think you might be surprised at some of the information.

First, the most important step you can take for urinary tract health is to remove kibble from your cat's diet. Truly! Cats evolved from desert animals and don't have the drive to drink when they're thirsty, so cats fed kibble are chronically dehydrated. This puts stress on their organs and concentrates their urine - suspected to be the single biggest cause of urinary tract issues.

...

Good luck with your girl!

AC
Thanks very much for all that info; there's a lot to digest there.

Frankly, I'm confused about the dry food issue. Vets I know say they need some, but then I many read things like you have quoted that state the opposite.

My current cat is indoor only, except the rare occasions when she wants to go out and play in the "cat run" I had built for her. But my dear Stubbs was an indoor and outdoor cat who lived 19 years on a diet that was about 60% dry and $40 wet. And she was healthy until the day before she passed away.

Don't get me wrong; I'm not trying to argue. I present Stubbs' story as part of the puzzle of why I'm confused about the issue.

Thanks again for the info!

Mike
post #27 of 27
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Originally Posted by Babs' Slave View Post
Thanks very much for all that info; there's a lot to digest there.

Frankly, I'm confused about the dry food issue. Vets I know say they need some, but then I many read things like you have quoted that state the opposite.

My current cat is indoor only, except the rare occasions when she wants to go out and play in the "cat run" I had built for her. But my dear Stubbs was an indoor and outdoor cat who lived 19 years on a diet that was about 60% dry and $40 wet. And she was healthy until the day before she passed away.

Don't get me wrong; I'm not trying to argue. I present Stubbs' story as part of the puzzle of why I'm confused about the issue.

Thanks again for the info!

Mike
Dry food was created for the convenience of people, not the health of animals. It doesn't even remotely resemble a natural diet for cats or dogs. The companies making it then used marketing to convince pet owners that table scraps are an unhealthy diet for pets and that they should feed kibble instead. The companies secured their place in society by brainwashing veterinarians by paying colleges to allow them to give presentations to their students.

Cats don't have a thirst drive sufficient enough to allow for proper hydration when on a dry food diet. We just had a fellow member lose their kitty to a blocked bladder that was most likely caused by improper diet.
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