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Gallup/Rasmussen: Obama's Approval At All-Time Low, 38%/-26

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I know Obama's approval rate has been slowly dropping, but anyone know what event triggered the latest crash? I assume its the release of conservative ads on television of late?

The data from the August 25 Gallup Poll, shows an all time low approval for Obama at 38% and disapproval at 55%. The Rasmussen Reports Presidential Tracking Poll also hit a record low with 19% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president while forty-five percent (45%) Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -26.
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Originally Posted by Gallup.com
The last time Obama's average weekly job approval rating registered at least 50% among all Americans was May 30-June 5, 2011. Since then, his support has gradually eroded among every major demographic subgroup to the point that this is the first week that no group other than blacks, Democrats, and liberals gives him majority support.
Note that no President has won re-election with an approval of less than 47% per Gallup, but then again there is still plenty of time between now and the election.

To put this in perspective though, other presidents Gallup approval rating at this time of their third year:
Dwight Eisenhower: 71%
George H.W. Bush: 68%
John Kennedy: 56%
George W. Bush: 51%
Ronald Reagan: 47%
Bill Clinton: 46%
post #2 of 25
Hopefully he's a one term president. Then again, the GOP better give me someone worth voting for.
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The swing in approval isn't coming from the right, it's coming from the left.

DH put it pretty well last night: If he knew that the democrats would elect a republican president, he would have pushed hard for Hillary. We both find it amusing that republicans still call him a socialist.

He's ticked off his base with all of the compromises he's made with the GOP. His overwhelming need to compromise on every issue is hurting him right now.
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He's ticked off his base with all of the compromises he's made with the GOP. His overwhelming need to compromise on every issue is hurting him right now.
That's precisely the problem.
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The swing in approval isn't coming from the right, it's coming from the left.

DH put it pretty well last night: If he knew that the democrats would elect a republican president, he would have pushed hard for Hillary. We both find it amusing that republicans still call him a socialist.

He's ticked off his base with all of the compromises he's made with the GOP. His overwhelming need to compromise on every issue is hurting him right now.
I think he's overwhelmed with the fact that some of the GOP issues he said he would fight, turn out to be things he cannot change due to the fact that they were correct upon being implemented. Gitmo is just one example.

If he could come up with a good alternative, I'm sure it would pass, but he simply cannot.
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If the GOP candidacy comes down to Bachmann or Perry the next Presidential term is going to be bleak...
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I think he's overwhelmed with the fact that some of the GOP issues he said he would fight, turn out to be things he cannot change due to the fact that they were correct upon being implemented. Gitmo is just one example.
Gitmo is not one of the things that ticked off his base. It was a bit annoying, but not enough to sway public opinion. The bigger things are his compromise on (not) eliminating tax breaks for the wealthy, not going far enough with health reform, not supporting environmental issues, not taking a stand against the republican deficit reduction plans that will hurt the middle class (more jobs lost), not doing anything about policies that are causing additional job loss in this country (like tax breaks to companies that outsource jobs). I could go on.

In fact, it's his stand on the deficit issues that probably put his approval rating over the edge. Bush's tax cuts were the largest single contributor to the current deficit issue (followed by the wars). I'm not talking future deficit projections, I'm talking about why we are where are at today. We can cut things until the U.S. falls apart, or we can increase our income and keep our country afloat. Left alone, of course our deficit is going to rise, but hurting the middle class while rewarding the wealthy is his biggest sin (IMO). 10 years of tax breaks haven't created jobs. What makes anyone think that continuing them will magically turn the economy around?
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Originally Posted by Momofmany View Post
Gitmo is not one of the things that ticked off his base. It was a bit annoying, but not enough to sway public opinion. The bigger things are his compromise on (not) eliminating tax breaks for the wealthy, not going far enough with health reform, not supporting environmental issues, not taking a stand against the republican deficit reduction plans that will hurt the middle class (more jobs lost), not doing anything about policies that are causing additional job loss in this country (like tax breaks to companies that outsource jobs). I could go on.

In fact, it's his stand on the deficit issues that probably put his approval rating over the edge. Bush's tax cuts were the largest single contributor to the current deficit issue (followed by the wars). I'm not talking future deficit projections, I'm talking about why we are where are at today. We can cut things until the U.S. falls apart, or we can increase our income and keep our country afloat. Left alone, of course our deficit is going to rise, but hurting the middle class while rewarding the wealthy is his biggest sin (IMO). 10 years of tax breaks haven't created jobs. What makes anyone think that continuing them will magically turn the economy around?
The wealthy are the ones who hire others. If they don't have the money, they don't hire.It's not a reward, if the middle class did most of the hiring they'd get business tax breaks like the large companies. Alas, they don't. There are MANY large companies hiring. In the Lounge area someone posted a list of a few. They pay may not be what everyone desires, so many people prefer to collect from the government as opposed to taking a pay cut and standing on their own two feet.
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Originally Posted by Momofmany View Post
Gitmo is not one of the things that ticked off his base. It was a bit annoying, but not enough to sway public opinion. The bigger things are his compromise on (not) eliminating tax breaks for the wealthy, not going far enough with health reform, not supporting environmental issues, not taking a stand against the republican deficit reduction plans that will hurt the middle class (more jobs lost), not doing anything about policies that are causing additional job loss in this country (like tax breaks to companies that outsource jobs). I could go on.

In fact, it's his stand on the deficit issues that probably put his approval rating over the edge. Bush's tax cuts were the largest single contributor to the current deficit issue (followed by the wars). I'm not talking future deficit projections, I'm talking about why we are where are at today. We can cut things until the U.S. falls apart, or we can increase our income and keep our country afloat. Left alone, of course our deficit is going to rise, but hurting the middle class while rewarding the wealthy is his biggest sin (IMO). 10 years of tax breaks haven't created jobs. What makes anyone think that continuing them will magically turn the economy around?
Very well said.
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The wealthy are the ones who hire others. If they don't have the money, they don't hire.It's not a reward, if the middle class did most of the hiring they'd get business tax breaks like the large companies. Alas, they don't. There are MANY large companies hiring. In the Lounge area someone posted a list of a few. They pay may not be what everyone desires, so many people prefer to collect from the government as opposed to taking a pay cut and standing on their own two feet.
Obama's compromise to extend tax cuts for the rich was over 8 months ago. I don't see any increase in jobs around here.

My husband's full time job was just reduced to one day a week. He would make more money if he collected unemployment, but he's not. I help him search for work every day.

The manager where he turned in his last resume said it "looks great, but you know, we have a LOT of applications." That's the norm.

I'm at my current job for 2 years now after being laid off from a long-time position. The company I work for is struggling. My paychecks are behind by several weeks. We are dealing with it because getting paid late is better than not getting paid.

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...many people prefer to collect from the government as opposed to taking a pay cut and standing on their own two feet.
While your comment is true for some, I believe that the majority just plain cannot find jobs.
post #11 of 25
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Sorry Momofmany, but that seems to be trying to find some roundabout way to blame the failings of the Democrats on the Republicans. The Democrats dropped the ball and failed us, but only because they weren't harsh enough on the Republicans... wait, what?

The Democrats controlled virtually all branches of government, and held closed sessions (despite repeat campaign promises of transparency) and for the first time in history even used veto power on minority review of one of the most expensive bills this country has ever seen (thanks Pelosi) based on a blatant lie.

And on the deficit, to pretend that the tremendous amount of spending of this administration is not the obvious issue here is pretty ludicrous. Dubya spent far too much IMO, but he had a paltry $160 billion budget deficit before Democrats took over Congress, and Obama with a Democratic Congress has exceeded a $1 trillion deficit every year.

And to show actual numbers to touch base with reality, the 40% highest income households have never paid such a large share of total federal tax liabilities (86% of TFTL) in the history of the United States government. In 1979 for example, the top 40% highest income households paid 40.7% of TFTL, less than half the tax burden of today. While I'd love to see these rediculously overpaid CEOs take massive paycuts since their worth to society is no where near their compensation (one of the failings of a free market economy unfortunately), it should be obvious that the rich are upwardly mobile and soaking them will simply encourage the shifting of resources overseas, and you'll end up with a similar situation to "white flight" in Detroit but on a national scale. There also simply aren't enough of them to sustain this level of expenditure, and when they are already generating near 90% of TFTL, how much more can you possibly hope to wring from them to attain increased revenue? The numbers don't add up.

If the American people are unhappy because Obama isn't liberal enough, then why did they kick the Democrats out of congress in favor of more conservative leadership, why were Republican presidents before this administration seeing so much higher approval ratings, and why are Republican candidates like Ron Paul actually winning mock campaigns against Obama in Rasmussen polls, since surely they can't be LESS liberal than Obama?

Ultimately though, I think people on a very basic level had a lot of high hopes for the Obama administration, some perhaps unrealistic. Obama was not the messiah they had hoped for that was going to pay all their bills for them, and they don't have jobs and they don't have money, and so they aren't betting on that horse anymore.
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Hopefully he's a one term president. Then again, the GOP better give me someone worth voting for.
That's going to be the issue for the Republicans, I believe. All of their current political gamesmanship is taking place inside their own "walled garden". Once they decide on candidate, they have to push him/her out of the garden into the real world, where they will have to also convince undecideds and moderates. With the issues they seem to be focusing on, that may be a far harder thing to do than they would hope.
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Once they decide on candidate, they have to push him/her out of the garden into the real world, where they will have to also convince undecideds and moderates. With the issues they seem to be focusing on, that may be a far harder thing to do than they would hope.
Depends on who that candidate is, as SOME are already way ahead in all polls in that regard. Go Ron Paul!!!

Sadly though, undecideds and moderates actually aren't all that important unfortunately, which is how we ended up with a virtual nobody with no experience like Obama running this country IMO.

Generally speaking, only around half of those eligible to vote actually bother to show up to vote. I don't think most are cripplingly lazy, but its like in the South Park episode when the available options are equally unappealing there is little motivation for them to make the effort as they seem equally bad!

Someone that is far left or far right though can capture 100% of a particular minority group's far left or right wing base to get them all hyped and showing up at the polls (or driving around in buses and picking up homeless people like Acorn lol), and that can make all the difference when so few citizens vote. Here's crossing my fingers though that the trend starts to reverse itself and we get most of middle-America out there for 2012!!!
post #14 of 25
President Obama has many problems, not the least of which is that he has discovered that you can run for office from the fringes, but you can't run the country from the those fringes. America is largely center to center right, and if you depart very much from that, you won't last very long.

I think his biggest error was in not biting the bullet and going for a single payer health program. Yes, it would be a big socialist step, but I suspect it's one the country is ready for. Had he done that, and put it into effect virtually immediately, I suspect he would be so popular right now that he would be unbeatable in 2012.

But I may be wrong.

I find it interesting, on the other hand, that he criticizes Republicans for voting against such things as raising the debt ceiling, calling it "political circus," when he was perfectly willing to engage in such political theater when he was in the Senate, voting agains raising the debt ceiling for President Bush and and said his request for the increase was a "failure of leadership." He admits now that it was a political vote, but he doesn't seem to think other legislators should have the right to make the same kind of vote.
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The wealthy are the ones who hire others. If they don't have the money, they don't hire.
Businesses hire people. Wealthy individuals may hire a handful of people, but not enough to turn around our unemployment. My SIL's father is one of these wealthy people. His income is $14 million a year. He hires someone to clean his house and another to mow his lawn. And when he ran his Jaguar into a flooded street, he did buy a new one, but wait - that's not an American made car (but I guess the car salesman did make a commission on the sale). There are no real job gains for giving tax breaks to these people.

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Sorry Momofmany, but that seems to be trying to find some roundabout way to blame the failings of the Democrats on the Republicans. The Democrats dropped the ball and failed us, but only because they weren't harsh enough on the Republicans... wait, what?
You asked what triggered the drop in his approval rating. Since he's never had the approval of republicans, then the swing had to come from the left. You're putting words into my mouth here. The disappointment in Obama from the left is that he compromises too much at the detriment of liberal ideology. The democrats as a party haven't failed us (unless you're a republican), Obama hasn't pushed hard enough.

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And on the deficit, to pretend that the tremendous amount of spending of this administration is not the obvious issue here is pretty ludicrous. Dubya spent far too much IMO, but he had a paltry $160 billion budget deficit before Democrats took over Congress, and Obama with a Democratic Congress has exceeded a $1 trillion deficit every year.
So you really think that the liberals have changed their opinion on the president based on the deficit? Now that is pretty ludicrous. Tit for tat.

And where is your data on what Bush left us?
http://home.adelphi.edu/sbloch/deficits.html
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The democrats as a party haven't failed us (unless you're a republican), Obama hasn't pushed hard enough.
I was referring to the failure of the tremendous debt incurred ($5 trillion since he took office... trillion, hard to wrap your mind around such numbers) with ineffectual spending and state of the economy with such high sustained unemployment, the mishandling of affairs overseas with confused half-measures (Iran, Egypt, and Libya alike) and Nobel peace-prize warmongering (far greater deployment than even during Dubya's peak "surge"), the sad budget proposal that stereotypicaly raised taxes and increased spending and ignored the issue of entitlements and didn't endorse any part his own commission's deficit reduction plan leading to a reduction in the US credit rating, bowing down figuratively to the UN as he did literally to foreign leaders, did virtually nothing to deal with the Gulf crisis other than to create an unconstitutional permitorium in its wake that devastated economies in the South, and other such matters.

What list of successes would you attribute to the administration that you can stand back, take a look at, and admire? He spent the first two years of his administration strong-arming Obamacare on the American people, and clearly its been very unpopular. And as a figurehead, has he united the American people and made them feel proud of their country? I don't think so, considering Michelle's comments from the beginning that she had never been proud of the US and Barack's comments about "America's arrogance". Even if its a bit embellished, I like to feel proud of my country and believe that is a positive influence good leadership can instill (JFK/Reagen were great in that regard IMO).
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So you really think that the liberals have changed their opinion on the president based on the deficit? Now that is pretty ludicrous.
No, I don't and I agree that is ridiculous, as that was long ago. Bush spent far too much, as I said and you won't get a lick of argument from me there, but I was pointing out that your comment that the reason we have so much debt is because of the small tax break rather than the unheard of level of deficit spending of this administration that even makes Dubya seem stingy and frugal is pretty silly.
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The swing in approval isn't coming from the right, it's coming from the left.

DH put it pretty well last night: If he knew that the democrats would elect a republican president, he would have pushed hard for Hillary. We both find it amusing that republicans still call him a socialist.

He's ticked off his base with all of the compromises he's made with the GOP. His overwhelming need to compromise on every issue is hurting him right now.
Pretty much on target. I think he can recover if he does something hard line. We also have to look at Congress. I mean, seriously, who ARE some of these people? Obama will probably win unless the Republicans can come up with a viable candidate. Mitt, Perry and <laugh> Bachmann don't cut it for me.
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Yes, spending under Obama has increased and most economists would expect the government to increase spending during a recession. Many liberal economists believe that the stimulus that Obama passed was too small to make a significant difference.

And the deficit number has two parts to it. Due to the Bush tax cuts and the recession, revenue is at an all time low. In fiscal 2000 revenues were 10.2 percent of GDP. That figure was down to 6.2 percent of GDP last year.

Most people don't have a clue on how the deficit affects anything. Obama has proved to be a poor leader as he let the Republicans determine the national dialog should be on the deficits instead of getting the economy working on jobs. Major cuts to federal spending would send us into a deep and vicious depression as laid off federal workers increase the unemployment to astronomical levels. And as spending dries up all of the businesses relying on federal contracts will lay off more people. Long term planning needs to be done to rein in spending, but getting more people working would increase revenues.

Cutting taxes for corporations is going to do nothing for jobs. They are sitting on loads of cash and will not spend it until demand goes up.

For many, the disapproval isn't the deficit spending, but the lack of leadership to improve jobs and protect the poor from bearing all of the effects of the deficit battle. We can't raise taxes on those making millions, but we can cut food stamps.
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I think his biggest error was in not biting the bullet and going for a single payer health program. Yes, it would be a big socialist step, but I suspect it's one the country is ready for. Had he done that, and put it into effect virtually immediately, I suspect he would be so popular right now that he would be unbeatable in 2012.

But I may be wrong.
I think you're right, if it passed. Instead, he "settled." Unfortunately, he had so much opposition, IMO it probably would not have passed.

I only hope that having this version will get the ball rolling for a single payer plan sometime in the future. Perhaps Vermont will lead the way and prove to the country that it can work.
http://www.vermontforsinglepayer.org/
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Yes, spending under Obama has increased and most economists would expect the government to increase spending during a recession. Many liberal economists believe that the stimulus that Obama passed was too small to make a significant difference.
Too small? Who is a mainstream economist that was willing to put his name behind a statement like that? Adjusted for inflation, its been the largest deficit spending spree that this nation has ever seen in its history unless you count WW2 as an economic stimulus. The other huge issue was not just how much was spent, but how immensely poorly it was spent, going to politicians pet projects, unions, and pork barrels. The money could have been far more effectively spent IMO by allowing the people to keep more of the money that they themselves earned, and providing incentive to spend it in recognized domestic growth sectors of the economy via instant rebates. This was done for housing for example, which was actually quite a successful venture to help stem the avalanche of the housing-bubble crash created by government bullying banks into risky subprime lending to buy minority and low-income votes.

Oh well, at the very least I'm happy to see that the American people are more than ready for a change in leadership at least at present. My fear though is that Obama will make an announcement that he's going to dump a few more trillion dollars of our tax money onto his supporter base to buy back their vote.
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I think you're right, if it passed. Instead, he "settled." Unfortunately, he had so much opposition, IMO it probably would not have passed.

I only hope that having this version will get the ball rolling for a single payer plan sometime in the future. Perhaps Vermont will lead the way and prove to the country that it can work.
http://www.vermontforsinglepayer.org/
Vermont has been making some noises about seceding from the US, saying that the United States is "an experiment that has proven unsuccessful." I don't think they'll be saying that very much over the next couple of years, with the federal disaster aid they are going to want. In fact, I suspect it will set back any plans they might have had for an aggessive health care package.

Had President Obama at least tried for the single payer program, he might have been surprised how easily he succeeded. And, in fact, if he failed, he would still have the left supporting him today. Some will make the argument that he started out pragmatic; I say he just wimped out.

By the way, many of his opponents said that his "Present" votes in the Illinois legislature and his political votes in the U.S. Senate should have told his supporters everything they needed to know about his willingness to make a hard decision and stick with it when it really counted. That idea was scoffed at before the election; I hope those who scoffed remember that now.

The credit rating downgrade of the U.S. was clearly a reaction to too much spending. I don't see anyone actually volunteering to pay more in taxes. Warren Buffett, for example, while saying he should be taxed more, is taking advantage of a number of tax dodges available to the wealthy to minimize his taxes.
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Too small? Who is a mainstream economist that was willing to put his name behind a statement like that?
Note, I said Liberal Economists so you will automatically denigrate the list I'm about to present:

Paul Krugman: To close a gap of more than $2 trillion — possibly a lot more, if the budget office projections turn out to be too optimistic — Mr. Obama offers a $775 billion plan. And that’s not enough.

Dean Baker: It's a matter of basic math, says economist Dean Baker of the Center for Economic and Policy Research. The economy is currently losing - annually -- $450 billion in housing wealth, $650 billion in consumer spending and $150 billion in commercial real estate value.
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"You're talking about a gap on the order of twelve-hundred-fifty billion dollars, and we're trying to plug that with four-hundred-something, so we've got a long way to go," Baker says. (The stimulus package of roughly $800 billion doles out spending and tax cuts over two years.)

James Galbraith:
says that demonstrating that the stimulus is too small is a matter of basic math. The $400 billion it will inject into the economy each of the next two years is equal to about two to three percent of GDP, he noted. But the economy is falling at a much faster rate, projected at eight percent a year by the CBO - and that projection, again, doesn't account for the financial collapse.

Robert Reich: The central problem continues to be inadequate aggregate demand. The administration's original sin was not spending enough and focusing the stimulus more directly on job creation.

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Adjusted for inflation, its been the largest deficit spending spree that this nation has ever seen in its history unless you count WW2 as an economic stimulus. The other huge issue was not just how much was spent, but how immensely poorly it was spent, going to politicians pet projects, unions, and pork barrels.
I think that too much of it was directed toward "green" industries which helped some individual firms but not the economy as a whole. But the amount of money poured into the state and local governments kept them from doing even deeper cuts. Now that the stimulus money is coming to an end, the layoffs of teachers and other state/local workers are starting to accelerate.

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The money could have been far more effectively spent IMO by allowing the people to keep more of the money that they themselves earned, and providing incentive to spend it in recognized domestic growth sectors of the economy via instant rebates. This was done for housing for example, which was actually quite a successful venture to help stem the avalanche of the housing-bubble crash created by government bullying banks into risky subprime lending to buy minority and low-income votes.
The banks made a lot of money from those sub-prime loans. But the foreclosure and underwater mortgages have to be addressed. There are too many people stranded in areas where the jobs aren't. They need to be freed up to move to the areas that have jobs.

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Oh well, at the very least I'm happy to see that the American people are more than ready for a change in leadership at least at present. My fear though is that Obama will make an announcement that he's going to dump a few more trillion dollars of our tax money onto his supporter base to buy back their vote.
The Democrats are useless, but the Republicans are going to let the middle class down faster and harder while they give more power to the corporations, releasing them from all regulations to provide a safe work environment for their workers, and allow the destruction of our air, water, land then the Republicans will remove all vestiges of the social safety net. They have demonized the government which is the only thing that will protect John Doe of main street from the the people like the Koch brothers.

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The credit rating downgrade of the U.S. was clearly a reaction to too much spending. I don't see anyone actually volunteering to pay more in taxes. Warren Buffett, for example, while saying he should be taxed more, is taking advantage of a number of tax dodges available to the wealthy to minimize his taxes.
The idiocy of the debt-ceiling debate is what really forced the downgrade. Right after the downgrade, trillions of dollars left the stock market and went straight into the downgraded treasuries as they are still considered one of the safest investments

The downgrade reflects our view that the effectiveness, stability, and predictability of American policymaking and political institutions have weakened at a time of ongoing fiscal and economic challenge.
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The wealthy are the ones who hire others.
Indeed. They hire illegal immigrants to mow their lawns and nanny their children.
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Indeed. They hire illegal immigrants to mow their lawns and nanny their children.
Do they pick them up at the local 7-11 like the construction companies do?
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Do they pick them up at the local 7-11 like the construction companies do?
When I lived in Houston and was told by the neighbors to go "hire a Mexican" to mow my lawn, my response to them was "how does one exactly go about hiring a Mexican?". They wouldn't answer me. I guess they sensed the sarcasm in my tone.
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