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Originally Posted by Ducman69
 I find it interesting that a thread about racism is thought by some to be "off topic" when it is pointed out that racism knows no racial barriers, that no particular race has a monopoly on it, and some become seemingly irritated when asked to demonstrate in the most remote tangible way that racism more than just exists but is so overwhelmingly prevalent as claimed.
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp
I find it interesting that some will eagerly welcome any "once upon a time" post that supports their view, but will demand links, lawsuits and statistics to the contrary. It makes it almost seem as though they hold different races to different standards of proof.
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp
I find it interesting that some will eagerly welcome any "once upon a time" post that supports their view, but will demand links, lawsuits and statistics to the contrary. It makes it almost seem as though they hold different races to different standards of proof.
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Originally Posted by Yosemite
As to Mike example of where his wife worked, the problem there is/was with the people who allowed this to happen. I can't believe the US doesn't have a higher authority one can go to for action such as we have here in Canada. So basically they let it happen so they shouldn't complain.
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Originally Posted by resqchick
I think that perhaps he's seen links, lawsuits and stats that do support his view, so would only require that from someone of the opposing view.
One doesn't come to a decision based on what they feel like when they woke up in the morning. I know I don't. I have 4+ decades of experience. |
| With that said, I'm done here. |
| Obviously anyone who believe that people should be treated favorably because their ancestors were treated badly in the past is a racist IMO. |
| if that were the case I'd be getting all kind of special treatment. Oh wait-I wouldn't because white people don't normally want that. |
| My father was treated badly in germany, then again when he tried to rent an apartment here in NY. No Jews. My husbands family is Irish, who happened to come here to the US when the Irish were treated worse than the Blacks. I should seek restitution for my children having had hardship in their bloodline. |
| In 2000, while the case was on appeal, the state attorney general at the time, John Cornyn, made an unusual announcement, conceding error in Mr. Buck’s case and six others in which the government had relied on race as a factor in sentencing. Mr. Cornyn, now a United States senator, stated that if the lawyers for the defendants in those cases challenged the government’s reliance on race at sentencing, he would not object. All of those cases centered on testimony from Dr. Quijano, a former chief psychologist for the state prison system. |
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp
You concede then?
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Originally Posted by mrblanche
I listen to enough of "As It Happens" on CBC, as well as other programs there, to know that Canada has its own big racial problems.
The place where my wife worked had previously fired a white female instructor for making an offhand comment that a black student took as a racial slur. The student called a lawyer before he even complained to the school's management, and, at that point, her fate was sealed. It's very difficult to fire a black employee without a long paper trail, and even then you're likely in for a lot of grief. That means that employers have to do a lot more research before they hire anyone. It's gotten about to the point that I agree with my wife: Anyone who was formerly a slave should get reparations, and anyone who was a former slave owner should pay them. Since slavery was outlawed some 150 years ago, I think we can safely say no one is going to be paying, and no one is going to be collecting. It's time to get on with our lives and stop beating this dead horse. |
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Originally Posted by mrblanche
It's very difficult to fire a black employee without a long paper trail, and even then you're likely in for a lot of grief. That means that employers have to do a lot more research before they hire anyone.
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Originally Posted by Yosemite
The US must be very different because here in Canada if an employee messes up 3 times and a copy of each infraction is put in their HR file, then the company has every right to fire the employee and the employee has no legal right to sue or get anything.
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Originally Posted by mrblanche
This is from a book written as a doctoral thesis by the first principal I worked for: "A Systems Approach to Discipline." He wrote it about high school discipline, but it's been adopted by industry, too.
However, any company that doesn't want to spend a couple times the employee's annual salary in court had better be sure they have an ironclad case before they take action. Two months to fire someone? That's just ridiculous. |
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Originally Posted by mrblanche
Two months to fire someone? That's just ridiculous.
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Originally Posted by resqchick
People that DO agree with them are afraid to admit they DO have racial issues, and therefore are willing to bend over backwards in order to prove they do not have racial issues at all. You cannot argue with ridiculous and unreasonable, therefore, I am done replying to this thread. |
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Originally Posted by Yosemite
I believe you misunderstood what I said. Once the EMPLOYER has 3 strikes against an EMPLOYEE, the employee cannot and will not win in any court of law and if they decide to sue, when they lose the case, and they will because the employer will have the documentation to justify the firing, the employee that sued is liable for all court costs. At least that's how it is done here. So an employee that knows they screwed up is unlikely to sue.
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Originally Posted by mrblanche
And here's an important question: Have you ever been sued by a fired employee, did they lose, and did they pay the court costs?
Companies that have actually been through the experience of paying $100,000 in legal fees to defend firing a $40,000 per year employee are pretty reluctant to go through the experience again, even if they win. And they are extremely unlikely to ever collect such a judgment. And, should they lose (a very real possibility, despite excellent paperwork), pile on another couple hundred thousand in paying the winner's award and court costs, and it suddenly looks like very bad math. |
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Originally Posted by Yosemite
No, I have not personally fired an employee since I've not owned my own company. But I have worked in several large corporations in Human Resourses and do know of what I speak. As I said before, and I will reiterate for you, things must work differently in the US than in Canada. Canadians who have been fired for cause (as in 3 strikes you're out) do not sue as they are well aware that if they lose they are responsible for the court costs of not only themselves but the person (company) they are suing. This is usually enough to deter folks from filing silly lawsuits.
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp
If you hang around court rooms in the US enough, you will begin to notice an interesting life form...the professional plaintiff.
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