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post #31 of 45
8/29/11 at 12:24pm
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I am a Catholic, and will not change myself to please others. I will not claim to celebrate Ramadan, nor will I claim to celebrate Hanukkah. I also WILL say Merry Christmas, As I would not take offense at someone wishing me a Blessed Samhain, Happy Hanukkah, or any other religious greeting. They, do not, as I do not, wish anything but good stuff with a greeting, so why do people feel I should change what I say depending on who I speak to?
What YOU say to people during the holiday season and how YOU choose to celebrate is not in any way tied to patriotism in a country that (supposedly) embraces freedom of religion. I don't care if someone wishes me a "Merry Christmas", that doesn't bother me one bit. I DO care that Christians constantly try to impose their beliefs via the government. You keep saying how easy it is to omit "under god" from the pledge if people want to. It shouldn't be there in the first place! It should be up to Christians to decided if THEY want to add it on THEIR own.

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The crusades were also several hundred years ago, when many religions were trying to impose themselves in a "I'm right and you're wrong" way. This is no longer acceptable behavior
Tell that to the people who constantly insist on outlawing abortions and gay marriage. Most of whom want less government presence in their lives... Odd, don't you think?

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Muslims who do not speak out and act against Muslim extremists, to me, are also terrorists.
You can't hold peaceful people accountable for the acts of others simply because they claim to share the same religion. Ludicrous.
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post #32 of 45
8/29/11 at 12:53pm
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post #33 of 45
8/29/11 at 1:24pm
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The crusades were also several hundred years ago, when many religions were trying to impose themselves in a "I'm right and you're wrong" way. This is no longer acceptable behavior, and I'm sure if there are Templar Knights out there, they need to be reigned in by the Pope, and the Catholic religion as a whole, and not supported under the table. Muslims who do not speak out and act against Muslim extremists, to me, are also terrorists.
Oh, for sure, I didn't mean to imply that there are problems in Christianity as an organized religion at present that are on par with what we are seeing in Islam. Was just using it as an analogy for when something can be an act of organized religion, when religious leaders are the ones organizing the troops and sending them off on targets, as we are seeing in many mosques unfortunately.

And we see a lot of double-talk as well, where some of these extremist religious leaders within Islam will say one thing to the European/American press, but then you see video taped sermons and the like where they say something completely opposite. This does extra harm to the Muslim community, as it makes it difficult to tell who are the bad guys and who are the good guys, and so we really need the good guys to step it up in policing the bad ones to set themselves apart IMO.

I'd like to see whatever the Islamic equivalent of "excommunication" smacked down on them, so we see a clear line in the sand.
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post #34 of 45
8/29/11 at 1:45pm
That is just a big ol' can of worms. Whoa.

I don't hate any group of people. As a Christian, God calls me to love everyone - even though who seek to hurt me. If I believe that God will protect or use any attack against me to further His kingdom and spread His message, then I can't target and hate another group of people. I won't do it.

The terrorist attacks make me sad - the ones here in the US - by white men, by Arab Muslims - the ones in Palestine and Israel. Hate in general hurts me - seeing someone condemned for skin color, being gay, all of it. It is a statement of what society is and to me, in my faith, it is a sign of end times.
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post #35 of 45
8/29/11 at 1:50pm
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Originally Posted by Mystik Spiral View Post
You can't hold peaceful people accountable for the acts of others simply because they claim to share the same religion.
Yes...absolutely. And the same goes for Christians as well. I am one. But I also love my gay ex- step-father and my best friend who had an abortion. My belief in Jesus Christ does not make me fit a mold of every other Christian alive. I don't care if the pledge says, "one nation, under God" because those words do not MAKE me a Christian...nor does removing them change my relationship with God in any way. Just like I wouldn't appreciate it saying, "One nation, under Buddah" - I am sure those of other religions don't appreciate "one nation, under God" - and again...that statement doesn't change me or my beliefs one bit.
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post #36 of 45
8/29/11 at 1:56pm
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Originally Posted by BlueRexBear View Post
Just like I wouldn't appreciate it saying, "One nation, under Buddah" - I am sure those of other religions don't appreciate "one nation, under God" - and again...that statement doesn't change me or my beliefs one bit.
Thank you. That's what I meant when I said it's easy to say "just omit 'under god'" when you are Christian. I'm just a very firm believer in keeping anything religious (no matter what religion) out of anything to do with government or allegiance.

Anyway, it's gotten pretty far off track here, so I better just stop responding before I get myself in trouble...
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post #37 of 45
8/29/11 at 4:14pm
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Originally Posted by Mystik Spiral View Post
Anyway, it's gotten pretty far off track here, so I better just stop responding before I get myself in trouble...

Yeah...but when I opened and read the letter, I knew this one was going to be pretty heated. I think everyone handled themselves nicely. I have been on other boards where things would have gotten much worse, much more quickly.
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post #38 of 45
8/29/11 at 4:50pm
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Originally Posted by BlueRexBear View Post
I have been on other boards where things would have gotten much worse, much more quickly.
Exactly... such as the al falojah terrorist forum... "I KEEL YOU!"
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post #39 of 45
8/29/11 at 7:00pm
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Originally Posted by Mystik Spiral View Post
You can't hold peaceful people accountable for the acts of others simply because they claim to share the same religion. Ludicrous.
But that's not what I'm saying. If someone claims to be a good Christian, Muslim, Jew, whatever... They need to speak out loud and clear that a violent sec, performing these acts of violence and premeditated murder, is NOT supported in any way, and will be acted against, instead of seemingly quiet support. if they do not speak out, they are lending creedance to the actions of evil.
See what I mean?
If Muslims do not support the 9/11 terrorists, they need to open their mouths, or be thought of as supporting those actions.
Like I've said, I'm Catholic, I would speak out clearly, removing all doubt, that acts performed in the crusades were wrong. In fact, they were wrong on so many levels, I cannot imagine how they could call themselves Christian at all.
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post #40 of 45
8/29/11 at 7:01pm
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Originally Posted by Ducman69 View Post
Exactly... such as the al falojah terrorist forum... "I KEEL YOU!"
Did you ever see the video of Jeff Dunham, "Achmed the dead terrorist"? My goodness it's SO funny!!!
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post #41 of 45
8/29/11 at 7:02pm
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Originally Posted by BlueRexBear View Post
Yeah...but when I opened and read the letter, I knew this one was going to be pretty heated. I think everyone handled themselves nicely. I have been on other boards where things would have gotten much worse, much more quickly.
Me too! I've been called names, and other unpleasant stuff. It's good to find a place where we can disagree, but still be nice.
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post #42 of 45
8/29/11 at 7:40pm
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Originally Posted by resqchick View Post
If someone claims to be a good Christian, Muslim, Jew, whatever... They need to speak out loud and clear that a violent sec, performing these acts of violence and premeditated murder, is NOT supported in any way, and will be acted against, instead of seemingly quiet support. if they do not speak out, they are lending creedance to the actions of evil.
I guess that's another reason to add to my long list of why I don't believe in organized religion. If a person chooses to speak out against terrible acts carried out in the name of religion, great, but I wouldn't dare assume someone not speaking out was providing silent support.

How many Christians actively speak out or act against violent protests, even bombings, of abortion clinics? Some, yes, but I'd wager the number is far from 100%. How many Christians actively speak out or act against the ridiculous stunts that the Westboro Baptist Church pulls? All the Christians in the world? Hardly. But nobody holds all those silent Christians responsible.
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post #43 of 45
8/30/11 at 2:57am
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Originally Posted by Mystik Spiral View Post
If a person chooses to speak out against terrible acts carried out in the name of religion, great, but I wouldn't dare assume someone not speaking out was providing silent support.

How many Christians actively speak out or act against violent protests, even bombings, of abortion clinics? Some, yes, but I'd wager the number is far from 100%. How many Christians actively speak out or act against the ridiculous stunts that the Westboro Baptist Church pulls? All the Christians in the world? Hardly. But nobody holds all those silent Christians responsible.
I agree.
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post #44 of 45
8/30/11 at 4:02am
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Originally Posted by Mystik Spiral View Post
I guess that's another reason to add to my long list of why I don't believe in organized religion. If a person chooses to speak out against terrible acts carried out in the name of religion, great, but I wouldn't dare assume someone not speaking out was providing silent support.

How many Christians actively speak out or act against violent protests, even bombings, of abortion clinics? Some, yes, but I'd wager the number is far from 100%. How many Christians actively speak out or act against the ridiculous stunts that the Westboro Baptist Church pulls? All the Christians in the world? Hardly. But nobody holds all those silent Christians responsible.

To not at least speak out and say how wrong an action was, seems rather odd to me. Everyone HAS an opinion, right?
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post #45 of 45
8/30/11 at 4:57am
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Originally Posted by Mystik Spiral View Post

How many Christians actively speak out or act against violent protests, even bombings, of abortion clinics? Some, yes, but I'd wager the number is far from 100%. How many Christians actively speak out or act against the ridiculous stunts that the Westboro Baptist Church pulls? All the Christians in the world? Hardly. But nobody holds all those silent Christians responsible.
Exactly. There were some Islamic clergy that did speak out against Sept. 11th terrorist. Just as there were some Christain clergy to speak out against terrorism done in the name of Christianity. So what is the number that has to be reached of people from each religion speaking out, in order for people to accept that terrorism is terrorism and does not come from any religion.

To Ducman, any Mosque that is teaching terrorism is not Islamic. Im not exactly sure where you obtained your info from to know that any mosque is teaching terrorism, but if they are, they are not teaching Islam, period.
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