I have had Abraham a two year old adoption for about six months. He has been eating Blue Buffalo Indoor Cat food 1/4 cup dry 2X per day and 1/2 can of wet 1X per day since we got him. Recently he developed a UTI and the tests showed that he had bacteria and struvite crystals. I checked in with the vet today and the office staff suggested a low ash low magnesium food. Does this qualify? He looks so much healthier and his hair is more beautiful then when we first got him. He was also only 8 pounds when we got him and he is now a healthy 10.5 pounds. His litterbox is cleaned 2X or more per day. I am anxious to hear what the general opinion is on Blue Buffalo.
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8/22/11 at 7:42pm
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Blue Buffalo is a good food...but with struvite crystals, you likely need to feed mostly WET food as well as make sure not to feed fishy dishes.
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Here's my understanding of the ash situation. Ash is basically burned trace minerals, and it is a by-product of the cooking of meat. This means that higher meat content means more ash - but lower quality meat or meat by-products have higher ash content than higher quality meat.
Fish (of any kind) generally has higher levels of trace minerals than chicken, turkey, beef, duck, rabbit, venison, etc.
Because dry food is more nutritionally concentrated than wet food, it will by definition have a higher ash content.
Ok - here's the Blue Buffalo site, where you can click on the cat products to see the analysis: http://www.bluebuffalo.com/healthy-cat-food
I started at the bottom. All of the Blue Spa Select canned foods have a maximum ash content of 2.1%. The Healthy Gourmet products seem to have a maximum ash content of 2.5%. The Blue Bistos only list the magnesium content.
They don't list the ash content of the dry foods.
But 2% ash is low - as is the 0.025% magnesium.
I compared it to Wellness canned (chicken). Its ash content is 1.95%, and its magnesium content is .025%.
Now... he developed the crystals on the Blue Buffalo. I don't know what that means. You can try simply increasing his water intake by mixing in a tablespoon (or two) of water with each serving of wet food.
If he has further problems, you can either try increasing the amount of wet food he gets vs. the amount of dry...
But some kitties are simply genetically prone to the problem. For them, even though the prescription diets are not very high quality, and are pricey, they do seem to solve the problem - and save a lot of money compared to treatment (and pain and distress for kitty!).
For now, I'd up his water intake, and see how it goes. If he has the problem again... you can experiment with various wet foods, or skip the hassle and go to a prescription diet that has saved many kitties from ongoing problems.
Fish (of any kind) generally has higher levels of trace minerals than chicken, turkey, beef, duck, rabbit, venison, etc.
Because dry food is more nutritionally concentrated than wet food, it will by definition have a higher ash content.
Ok - here's the Blue Buffalo site, where you can click on the cat products to see the analysis: http://www.bluebuffalo.com/healthy-cat-food
I started at the bottom. All of the Blue Spa Select canned foods have a maximum ash content of 2.1%. The Healthy Gourmet products seem to have a maximum ash content of 2.5%. The Blue Bistos only list the magnesium content.

They don't list the ash content of the dry foods.

But 2% ash is low - as is the 0.025% magnesium.
I compared it to Wellness canned (chicken). Its ash content is 1.95%, and its magnesium content is .025%.
Now... he developed the crystals on the Blue Buffalo. I don't know what that means. You can try simply increasing his water intake by mixing in a tablespoon (or two) of water with each serving of wet food.
If he has further problems, you can either try increasing the amount of wet food he gets vs. the amount of dry...
But some kitties are simply genetically prone to the problem. For them, even though the prescription diets are not very high quality, and are pricey, they do seem to solve the problem - and save a lot of money compared to treatment (and pain and distress for kitty!).
For now, I'd up his water intake, and see how it goes. If he has the problem again... you can experiment with various wet foods, or skip the hassle and go to a prescription diet that has saved many kitties from ongoing problems.
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Just to let you know, indoor formulas usually contain more carbs than regular adult ones, but that is contradictory since cats need a high protein diet no matter whether they are inside or out.
I agree with BlueRexBear that you should switch to a wet only diet that avoids fish as much as possible.
Also, more vets are deciding that low ash doesn't really make a difference in urinary health, but you can research that yourself if you like.
I agree with BlueRexBear that you should switch to a wet only diet that avoids fish as much as possible.
Also, more vets are deciding that low ash doesn't really make a difference in urinary health, but you can research that yourself if you like.
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Just to let you know, indoor formulas usually contain more carbs than regular adult ones, but that is contradictory since cats need a high protein diet no matter whether they are inside or out.
I agree with BlueRexBear that you should switch to a wet only diet that avoids fish as much as possible. Also, more vets are deciding that low ash doesn't really make a difference in urinary health, but you can research that yourself if you like. |
Both CatInfo.org and LittleBigCat.org have articles (Urinary Tract Health and Urinary Tract Disorders in Cats respectively) emphasizing that's it's more about water than it is about ph (as was once thought), especially when the issue is crystals. And Feline-Nutrition.org has several articles targeted to specific bladder and kidney issues.
I'm glad Abe is on the mend, Petguy!
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Blue Buffalo is a quality mainstream brand. A common misconception though is that diet is the main cause of UTIs, but dietary management is often the first response. I myself developed a bad UTI as a kid, and had quite health nut parents. With cats, stress, urine retention, sedentary lifestyle, genetics, or just the way they happened to squat on their litter as a fluke can cause a UTI. Infection raises urine PH, which can then create crystals, so it is not always crystals THEN infection but the other way around. In the majority of cases, the cause of the UTI is unknown:
http://www.catconnection.net/care/urinary.php
The meat is also typically a combination of pure muscle meat, fat, and bone, and the higher the bone relationship in that mix, the higher the ash as well. At least that is my understanding. 
However, latest research indicates that more than the ash its magnesium/phos content (fish meal tends to be high, so its recommended to limit fish intake for prone cats) and urinary PH that affect UTIs/crystals more than other factors. Ideal according to research is 6.1 to 6.8, with only sufficient magnesium as required by their diet. This explains why prescription urinary diets usually have seemingly "poo" ingredients with grains combined w/ an acidifier, but they get the job done and dissolve the crystals. Luckily, many of the premium premium pet food providers either advertise the target urinary PH's of their regular wet and dry food, or at least make it available on their sites/hotlines.
Here's a list of target PH's for common cat foods:
http://www.catconnection.net/care/urinary.php
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Here's my understanding of the ash situation. Ash is basically burned trace minerals, and it is a by-product of the cooking of meat. This means that higher meat content means more ash - but lower quality meat or meat by-products have higher ash content than higher quality meat.
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However, latest research indicates that more than the ash its magnesium/phos content (fish meal tends to be high, so its recommended to limit fish intake for prone cats) and urinary PH that affect UTIs/crystals more than other factors. Ideal according to research is 6.1 to 6.8, with only sufficient magnesium as required by their diet. This explains why prescription urinary diets usually have seemingly "poo" ingredients with grains combined w/ an acidifier, but they get the job done and dissolve the crystals. Luckily, many of the premium premium pet food providers either advertise the target urinary PH's of their regular wet and dry food, or at least make it available on their sites/hotlines.
Here's a list of target PH's for common cat foods:
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| Active Life canned - 6.1 Avoderm dry & canned - 6.4-6.7 Biljac dry - 6.0-6.5 Blackwood dry - 6.0-6.4 By Nature Brightlife dry - 6.5-6.7 California Natural dry & canned - 6.4-6.6 Chicken Soup For The Cat Lover's Soul dry & canned - 6.1-6.4 Diamond dry & canned - 6.1-6.4 Eagle Pack dry & canned - 6.0 Eukanuba dry - 6.0-6.4 Evolve dry & canned - 6.5-6.9 Exclusive dry - 6.2-6.5 Felidae canned - 6.0 Felidae dry - 6.5 Feline Caviar Premium Formula dry - 6.1-6.4 Flint River Ranch dry - 6.0-6.2 Iams dry & canned - 6.0-6.4 Innova dry & canned - 6.4-6.6 Lick Your Chops dry & canned - 6.4-6.7 Life's Abundance dry - 6.6-6.8 Natural Balance dry & canned - 6.2-6.4 Natural Life dry & canned - 6.6 Nature's Recipe Urinary Health dry - 6.5 Nature's Variety dry & canned - 6.0-6.5 Newman's Own Organics dry & canned - 6.0-6.8 Nutro dry & canned - 6.0-6.4 Organix Feline dry - 6.2-6.6 Pinnacle dry & canned - 6.4-6.7 Petguard dry & canned - 6.2-6.5 Precise dry & canned - 6.3 ProPac dry & canned - 6.0 Purina One Special Care Urinary Tract Formula dry - 6.3 Purina Pro Plan Special Formula-Urinary Health dry & canned - 6.3 Purina Friskies Special Diet dry & canned– 6.3 Sensible Choice dry & canned - 6.4 Solid Gold dry & canned - 6.5 Wellness dry & canned - 6.1-6.5 Wysong Cat Treats - 6.4-6.6 Wysong Uretic dry - 6.4 Wysong Vitality dry - 6.4-6.6 VETERINARY PRESCRIPTION CAT FOODS Eukanuba Veterinary Diet Low pH/S - 5.9-6.3 Eukanuba Veterinary Diet Moderate pH/O - 6.3-6.9 Hills C/D dry & canned - 6.2-6.4 Hills R/D dry & canned - 6.2-6.4 Hills S/D dry & canned - 5.9-6.1 Hills W/D dry & canned - 6.2-6.4 Hills X/D dry & canned - 6.6- 6.8 IVD Dissolution canned - 5.9 IVD Select Care Control dry - 6.0-6.8 Purina Veterinary UR - 6.1 |
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