My rescued brownie

Yes, I got him/her, don't know which it is yet, but just look at that cat, it is very tiny and was coming back and back meowing constantly on my yard, I have no any background of what this kitty is, just that it has been eating at my warehouse quite some time.

I don't know how old that is, but certainly not very old, has already eye color changed, eats solid food and was certainly alone out there, but I doubt that kitty would have much chance of surviving on it own, kitty is just too young, imo.

Anyway it is very feral, did run off always when saw human no matter how far human was, it was just like mauku in cage, trying to run trough it when I picked up the trap, but now just sits at corner of trap, being really scared, I try to arrange some water and food for him, maybe it is too small for neutering/spaying, who knows, my totally non educated guess is 12-16 weeks.

Poor creature, have to think what to do with him/her, I already have three and having one more will be really troublesome for multiple of reasons, but I don't know if local shelter has any interest of getting extra work of socializing one more kitty, of course I could do socialization, I have one room to keep little one, but being alone in one room is not right for poor thing.

I must call at least vet at monday, also have to try and find out if anyone is missing such cat, but I doubt, it has been around for month, maybe more, but now something has happened to mother of his/hers I guess, because kitten is all alone.

But when I look that kitten it is just really really hard to not adobt beauty like that, perfect colours and how odd they are, I have never seen such brown variant, not even when trying to look photos of such, there is clear M pattern on head too, also kitten is very vocal, might get very much people friendly.

CONGRATULATIONS on trapping little Brownie!

Oh that is a BEAUTIFUL wee baby! Of course, if you're right about the age, I don't know the thinking of vets there, but the Winn Feline Foundation (one of the premier organizations for cat related health/welfare research) has found that spaying/neutering can be done as early as 7 weeks (if cat is at least 2 pounds) with no long term issues (and many benefits). So surely if 12 weeks, spaying/neutering is OK. The problem is many vets won't do it simply because they have no experience working on such a small animal.

Just in case you want the information, here it is: http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/page...tering_web.pdf

The good news is that if you're right about his/her age, socialization goes much more quickly. Especially if you're able to introduce the baby slowly to the others, and he can watch you interact with them. (But you already know this!).

About what to do.... that I can't help. Our limit was two cats. At the time, we lived in an RV that is about 40 feet long by 8 feet wide - a very small studio apartment. But we rescued. We adopted out as many as we could, but we kept the ones with special needs. At five kitties, we moved out of the RV into a house because we thought they needed more space.

My husband developed serious medical issues, and we could no longer afford to live in a house. We moved back into the RV after about four years. We then had six cats. The original five that "grew up" here were SO HAPPY to be back "home." It was amazing. With hindsight, they did NOT need more space, and are so so so much happier here. We've since rescued two more, and we have 8 in here with us. With lots of vertical space and stimulation, it works for us.

So... if you can find a home for Brownie, that would be wonderful! It may have to be that you foster Brownie at first, so he's more of a "ready made" pet. But I don't think anyone here is going to think twice about it if you want suggestions on how best to bring him into your existing furry family.

Miuku decided to introduce himself to little one already, he is very slippery one and from tiny gap he managed to run investigate that new noise he kept hearing, that is Brownie meowing, had to shoo Miuku away, surely Brownie needs pest treatments first, but shoo ended up with some petting, Brownie did look with some amusement for sure and for my surprise slow blinking was already responded, he is so young and has no idea about cruelity of world yet.

Now Miuku is at least twice the size of Brownie, it might be that 3 Brownies would fit in space of one Miuku and Miuku is about one year old now, so Brownie really can't be 6 months, probably not even close to 6 months.

It would be so good to get Brownie to upstairs, even in trap, but I like to be bit cautious about earmites and all those other pests.

Around brownies eyes are those tan circles, edges of eyelids are tan colour instead of dark brown, that makes quite effect when Brownie is looking towards me, incredible little kitten really and how Brownie is not panicking any more, just observing how I set up some water and meat for him/her to eat.

Little brownie is meowing again, probably misses some company, somehow for me it seems that Brownie is type that hates to be alone.

You are absolutely right, little baby has to be by himself until little pesties are all treated.

Oh he sounds like a little love! And it seems like Miuku may make a good mommy, (well, good big brother ) and Ambassador for newcomer! Even if all you're going to do is foster.

Originally Posted by LDG

You are absolutely right, little baby has to be by himself until little pesties are all treated.

Oh he sounds like a little love! And it seems like Miuku may make a good mommy, (well, good big brother

) and Ambassador for newcomer! Even if all you're going to do is foster.

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There is some odd things however, little one meows now constantly if it does not see me, oh and as I put meat into trap for him to eat, he came to sniff meat in my finger, maybe poor thing is just so hungry, but it is bit odd considering he did flee very fast when he did spot me on yard, even over 20 meters away.

I have fed him now almost 100 grams of meat, should be plenty for overnight. Of course constant meowing is consuming energy, maybe radio would help with old t-shirt.

Could it be that poor thing is looking parent so desperately that me giving food causes him to think me as his lost mother?

Without such feral behaviour before capturing I would say it is abandoned pet, at least did not try to bite me, just took meat from finger once as I was putting it in, very odd.

Distance to closest settlement where could be cats is quite far away, really don't think they would abandon any kitties.

I suspect what's happening is his age and his being so hungry. Outside, poor little Brownie is struggling to find food, maybe not with his mom long enough, didn't learn everything he needed to know. Maybe hasn't really encountered people - so he doesn't know people are good, doesn't know people can be horrible either. Outside - you are big and horrible scary monster.

But now, warm, safe in trap, being fed... you are probably crouching down to feed him (or her LOL) - now you are not scary monster, but fairy godmother (or father? LOL). Plus there is smell of other cats, and even briefly Brownie saw you interact with Miuku. Maybe that was enough?

It would be VERY quick process for little Brownie. But maybe Brownie is smart! And young, and hungry.

I would consider asking around to see if anyone is missing a pet. That is one beautiful baby, apparently young to be on his/her own. And pet cats if formerly inside get outside, they can act very much like that. They act feral - but once back inside, or once being fed regularly - they become friendly VERY quickly. It is a possibility.

Well, brownie is purring and loves to rub himself against my finger if I put it into cage, I think that he really has had some interaction with humans before, thing is here are no cat friendly people that would consider new cat, at least very near, I suspect someone did dump him from car as there is road going past here, however I'm going to ask around naturally.

This kitty is just so tiny and very much begging attention, maybe I should let him roam around room and see a bit how well he takes handling, surely in trap he just loves being stroked by single finger, seem to also like from playing with string, can't really understand why anyone would dump this kind of kitten.

He/She is quite skinny and eats like a horse, I have already given more than half his size of amount meat and some dry food and he would probaby eat at least same amount more, but I try to keep some limits as it can be poor thing is eating himself to death as finally is getting again some food.

This one surely meows a lot, meows even when drinking or eating, when I stick my finger into trap then not meowing, but just purring as he comes so that I can stroke him a bit with finger, he surely woulds like to get out of trap though and I'm not all too sure it would be easy to catch if he does so.

Oh and also drinks a lot, when looking at his size he already drank quite good share of his body volume. I could also feel how kitten is just skin and bones, when touching I can feel bones of his everywhere, it may take a bit for him to recover.

Of course can be she also, there is no way telling as trap bottom is covered too.

I just hope poor kitty will be ok and no any internal damage from sufferings it has been trough.

Ah he has eaten and drank everything again, I just wonder where it all does go, kitty is not so large to be able to drink and eat all that without growing in size

Brownie is now at shelter, they keep him 15 days and then it is end of the line, but we did agreed that after 15 days I can pick him up if owner is not found, so I can keep him until owner is found or if is not found then he can be here forever.

He was really tiny one, weighted next to nothing really, I did pick him up and put into carrier and he did not struggle at all, also it was like lifting piece of paper, so he really weighted 20 times less than Miuku.

Brownie is so tiny that it would not been difficult to keep him at single palm what comes to size of him.

Hi..... I don't want to scare you, but if the shelters in there are anything like the shelters in here, and it sounds like this specific shelter in there is a Kill shelter, by "the end of the line" after 15 days, I would not leave him there... Mistakes can happen, kitties can go in before, switches can happen, and phone calls might not be made on that 15th day....
Sounds to me that kitten is not a lost kitten, just either a stray, a little feral, or an abandoned kitten... I don't know... But if you really have the intention of finding the parents for it, or giving a forever home with you, a kill shelter is not where I would leave it...
Just my opinion... Thanks for rescuing him...
P.S.: It is ok for having him in a separate room while in quarantine, even for a longer period of time - I have a cat who lives totally separate from the others, and has done so for the past 8 months.

Originally Posted by Carolina

Hi..... I don't want to scare you, but if the shelters in there are anything like the shelters in here, and it sounds like this specific shelter in there is a Kill shelter, by "the end of the line" after 15 days, I would not leave him there... Mistakes can happen, kitties can go in before, switches can happen, and phone calls might not be made on that 15th day....
Sounds to me that kitten is not a lost kitten, just either a stray, a little feral, or an abandoned kitten... I don't know... But if you really have the intention of finding the parents for it, or giving a forever home with you, a kill shelter is not where I would leave it...
Just my opinion... Thanks for rescuing him...
P.S.: It is ok for having him in a separate room while in quarantine, even for a longer period of time - I have a cat who lives totally separate from the others, and has done so for the past 8 months.

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We have here only 1000 residents and shelter is run by single farmer which I know personally, it is however official shelter in government authority and they don't support no kill policy, only for 15 days.

Law is such that owner of cat has right to reclaim cat for 15 days and tame cats should always be brought to shelters if there is just room in shelter.

Of course I will phone there earlier to remind him from our arrangement and to ask if cat's owner has been found, it is just that I have to go to three business trip in coming weeks, which means I have no chance to be there for such little kitten, but those will be last trips in this year and after that I can shelter him myself or even give forever home if owner can't be found, there is unofficial system where missing or found pets can be announced, ad is there up to 120 days, if after that owner is not found, I think it is not possible to find owner of kitten and after that time I think kitten starts to be already at home so much that it is perhaps best to just offer him forever home.

Technically speaking I would not be able to hold kitten legally without giving him to shelter first, with my other three it is bit gray area actually, boys were completely wild ferals, born without human contacts, mother cat really has not had much if any human contacts, they haven't had owners, but as they did not go trough the shelter they are not perfectly legally adopted.

We have some way quite strict law and high standards of animal wellfare, common sense has not much room in that, but also there is different word of law and practise of law.

Surely trusting to shelter is not something I'm going to do, human is err or something like that, but chance of anything happening before 15 days pass is not too great at this case, well except owner showing up, there is good chance for that really.

Oh I'm so glad they'll care for him while you have to travel and give him a chance to be reunited with owner, if one exists.

Are you done with necessary travel by the end of the two weeks?

It's also nice kitty will be made healthier and treated for parasites and vaccinated &etc. so you don't have to worry about the 3 M's if you bring Brownie home. And I have a feeling that soon you'll have four kitties.

If the kitten let you handle him/her and put him in the carrier, he must be an abandoned pet. No truly feral cat would allow that. Poor baby.

Originally Posted by mrblanche

If the kitten let you handle him/her and put him in the carrier, he must be an abandoned pet. No truly feral cat would allow that. Poor baby.

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Indeed, he actually started constant meowing right when he did not see me, ended up sleeping next to him and trap, uncomfy for sure, also he begged some petting and easily allowed handling.

Not many weeks of age really, but surely quite some time on his own as he got scared when saw people and did run away, also he was bit jumpy in trap, but generally just lost pet, did clearly love human beings but it took bit time for him to remember, he did ate quite a bit before that, so small and so big appetite

I have one born in wild for feral that is real love bug, one similar that comes to beg petting at times and mother of those two that really does not tolerate any touching and likes to keep bit of distance, it took months to be just able to touch briefly one's head, of course they were not trapped then, but when I did trap them after I had got them to level where they did tolerate small touching, it took again long time to see them as they did hide everytime they saw me.
In trap they were very different all three, but common thing was that there was no way I would put my finger in there, pose was completely different from this one, even though at first Brownie was similar, however after good dinner he became very curious about his surroundings and actually was interested from playing too.

This experience has taught me again many things of how to tell difference between feral and tame kitten, one thing is that feral is silent, does stare but not curiously, more of furiously, also Brownie was moving around the trap, but all other tree were not, just stayed on one place, Mauku was bit special, being more feral than her kittens she did hurt herself as she was trying to get trough trap walls, it was truly horrifying place to be to her, even covered. Miuku was attacking teaspoon which I used to give water to him, Mouku was only one of them that was not aggressive in trap, but he was shaking of fear.

Ears, head position and eyes were all similar with these ferals, but after Brownie did eat it was different, surely he was not happy in trap and he was scared, but not like ferals, ears did move around, he was looking surroundings curiously and just accepting being trapped, quite difficult to tell why I did saw him being different, but I think it was whole body posture and how he did move and what he was looking that did affect to my judgement of sticking my finger into trap and see him bumping on that with loudly purring sounds

Oh wow, what a cutie Be sure to update us when you introduce him to the others!! I'm curious as to what Mouku and Miuku will think of him!

Brownie is certainly a beautiful little kitten. Definitely this little darling has had human contact and I am really doubting someone lost him. I think it is abandonment. Poor little thing. I am hoping if after the 15 days you can take Brownie back or if possible, the shelter will follow through and try to find Brownie a good home. That kitten is way too sweet and beautiful not to find a home and have a good life

Thank you so much for rescuing Brownie

Brownie is doing fine, I did call to shelter and they say brownie is using litter box and being very friendly kitty making everyone fall in love to him/her, forgot to ask about that.

I heard that there are a lot of kitties lost now, so I will do some trapping when I can.

AW glad to hear this. Continuing vibes for Brownie to find a new home

There is now a older couple that had contacted a shelter, they say that Brownie might be theirs or at least they can take it if nobody else is taking him, also they are interested those who I have seen at my warehouse.

I got bit suspicious, if one is lost their kittens, how come lost kitten might be theirs or how they can say they can take one if nobody else is taking it?

Might be just some misunderstanding, but I think that I ask few carefully placed questions, like when they lost their kittens, how and how many, what colours etc. So that I know they are genuine claims and not just someone wanting any kitten that pops up and then abandoning when getting bored again and not being even original owners.

Maybe I'm just bit paranoid, but during my life, I have seen quite lot of crime and lying, I don't have much trust for fellow man.

I found out that Brownie's mother was cat of one farmer quite bit distance away, farmer told that "I did dispose mother cat so that it will not get pregnant again", he is ok to me having two kittens if he gets one, so I try to catch two others that are at my warehouse and I try to get brownie and one other that is completely black saved, one grey I have to then give to them, but they did promise to get that one fixed and give him opportunity as a barn cat.

My stomach is upside down from that really, but there is laws and have to follow those.

Also I know now why there are so many cats in this area, there is one family that has more than 20 cats and none of them is fixed, so there is really lot of kittens every summer, they probably "dispose" all they find, so mother cats that are bit more clever move their kittens to safety.

I think that sometimes it might be good to use similar population control to humans than what some people do with animals, it is of course very wrong from some reason I can't find any logical base, it is odd this life and ways of people.

Good you know who the mother is/was (R.I.P.), and this makes also probable who the father was. So we dont need to wonder any more what breed he is... As pure breds can also get astray.
So for example I know of several Russian Blue´s who got astray, often during travels to Cat Shows. So pure bred cats getting astray isnt so unique as one thinks...


Peasants are peasants, and "disposing" of too many had always been their way. Neutering is a rather modern invention. And it costs.
The big difference was/is who are doing it cleanly. Quick well aimed shot, Or if drowning, putting a stone in the sack and into deep water. (shot is of course the better of these two, if done properly).
And who didnt bothered much, doing it a dirty way...
Not pleasant to talk or think about, but such was the reality to not so far ago, and as we hear, sometimes still is.

Good this peasant was OK to talk with, and accepted the advice he can neuter them. And he is apparently willing to neuter even if it costs him.
There is good hope for this man (and surely his wife too), and theirs immortal soul got lotsa plusses here.


Good luck, JTbo!