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post #31 of 36
8/17/11 at 6:49am
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You aren't listening to the liberal media. This is no last ditch effort. Liberals have been complaining about his need to compromise on all issues since he took office. DH has been ticked off with him a month after he took office.

What people don't realize about Obama is that he is one of the most moderate democrats that held this office in a long time. What people hear about him are the Fox Propaganda network's sound bytes. If you close your ears to that noise, you will see it.
OF COURSE that is what the liberal media and liberals are saying, because it still lets them off the hook for all of his false promises, failings, and makes it still "the republicans fault".

The Democrats controlled more or less the entirety of government, so how can you possibly still try and blame the Republicans for this disaster? EASY!

You say that Obama inherited it, and what he couldn't have possibly inherited, you say its "because Obama has been too nice to republicans", making Obama merely seem overtly generous and still somehow the Republicans fault, LOL! If you don't say that, the only alternative is that Obama is a failure as a president, did not fulfill his campaign promises and lied to the people, and the Democrats would have to take sole blame for the problems they've created or at the very least been unable to resolve.

This is complete and total nonsense as the Obama/Pelosi tag team has absolutely steamrolled the Republican party on everything that mattered when they could, and there was absolutely no compromise on anything they wanted to have done. Obama banned Fox news until the media revolted against such censorship and then still urged the party for an unofficial Fox news media blackout, sessions were closed to republicans, and in the stimulus for example in the first time in history a minority party mere review request (give 48hrs to review a proposal) was vetoed. And why? Because Pelosi lied about the US losing 500 million American jobs each month in her scare campaign (so stupid it makes your brain hurt), just as she lied about her knowledge of waterboarding and the job creation of Obamacare.

BTW, On Season 4 Episode 4 22mins in to Breaking Bad, there is a big RON PAUL for President sticker in "the cook's" Laboratory Notebook! Glad to know that illegal drug manufacturers have his support.
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post #32 of 36
8/17/11 at 7:00am
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What people don't realize about Obama is that he is one of the most moderate democrats that held this office in a long time.
If that were true, I'm not sure how we would have survived this long as a country!

Just out of curiosity, can you name one recent president that was more liberal than Obama, and in what way? Surely you don't mean Clinton.
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post #33 of 36
8/17/11 at 6:44pm
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If anyone can consider Obama a moderate, it's no wonder they would believe what the rest of media say about Republicans (no moderates).

Obama is almost certainly the most liberal President ever elected. His legislation may not reflect it, but his executive orders certainly do. If a Republican is elected in 2012, he will have to put an immediate stay on all of Obama's executive orders until they're reviewed.

Those who have read all of Obama's books say that his writings betray an almost radically liberal ideology.

So...why don't we have single-payer health insurance, 100% tax rates above $250,000 income, etc? Because there are plenty of people in both parties who would never go along with such a radical agenda. The office often molds the man. That's why Obama has extended the Patriot Act, increased the number of troops in Aghanistan, extended the "Bush tax cuts," etc. An intelligent man elected to the office will quickly see that his puerile liberal-arts college ideology just isn't going to work in the real world. The same would happen to any seriously right-wing President, or, for that matter, a Libertarian like Ron Paul.

I think you could accurately describe President Obama's legislative successes as fairly middle of the road, but not because that's where he wanted them. Only because the U.S. is a center right country, and if you expect to be successful as a leader, you have to be where the people are.
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post #34 of 36
8/17/11 at 6:49pm
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You aren't paying attention to the issues that liberals have with Obama. He always tries to compromise at the expense of where he wants to stand ground. Biggest issue is that he won't push letting the Bush tax cuts expire for the ubber rich. He said he was going to do that numerous times and we're all still waiting. It's the fact that he won't stand ground that is giving him a lowered approval rating with liberals.
He probably needs to let them all expire. That would increase the tax rolls to about 75% of all Americans, instead of only 49%.
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post #35 of 36
8/17/11 at 9:08pm
The reason that Obama is considered so liberal is because the GOP has moved so far to an extreme right. 30 years ago, people like Perry, Bachman, Romney, Paul and Palin would not have gotten any attention. Today, Reagan would be considered too liberal.

It's easy to call him the most extreme liberal president to date, because the right has moved so far away from center.
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post #36 of 36
8/18/11 at 3:44am
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The reason that Obama is considered so liberal is because the GOP has moved so far to an extreme right. 30 years ago, people like Perry, Bachman, Romney, Paul and Palin would not have gotten any attention. Today, Reagan would be considered too liberal.

It's easy to call him the most extreme liberal president to date, because the right has moved so far away from center.
A common complaint...and one that the right says about the left. After all, if you listen to their speeches, John Kennedy and Hubert Humphrey would be considered right wing today, compared to where the Democratic party is. The real fact is that no matter how far to the right or left a candidate runs, they have to govern pretty much down the middle or lose the next election.
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