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post #31 of 39
8/12/11 at 10:42am
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Originally Posted by AmberThe Bobcat View Post
I hate to say it, but it is time to bring in the heavy artillery for these thug losers. Social media ban? How in the world will that help? If anything, it will make these people more angry and cause them to riot more. Bring out the guns and start shooting any and all looters and fire bombers and you will see how fast this riot will end. This is something that will only go away when: 1) The people grow bored and tired of rioting, but this could be quite a while. Or 2) Meet this riot head on with force much stronger than they.
OOOHHHH. I like the way you think.
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post #32 of 39
8/12/11 at 12:22pm
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Originally Posted by resqchick View Post
I like the plan. They can probably just turn off data plans on suspects phones. It seems like a good idea, considering they do their planning online and on their phones.
Hmmm l don't know, because it's thanks to FB and Twitter that some were caught along with friends and family seeing it and grassing them up?.
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Originally Posted by AmberThe Bobcat View Post
Bring out the guns and start shooting any and all looters and fire bombers and you will see how fast this riot will end.
This is what we all want, but unfortunately the government don't want to handle it that way
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post #33 of 39
8/12/11 at 2:30pm
While Texas is a "castle law" state, I'm not sure shooting someone for stealing a TV is exactly balanced. Of course, so often that escalates to torching buildings, etc., that you have to take a stand somewhere.

Some have said this is in reaction to government funding cuts, but I also heard somewhere that the cuts haven't actually taken place yet; they're just being discussed. So...if people who are getting their public funding can riot because of it, isn't that extortion? One wise man said, "A democracy can last only until the citizens realize they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury." Some say many countries are at that point, including the U.S.

I also just read an article about the shocking identities of some of the looters. Have you seen that?
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post #34 of 39
8/13/11 at 1:40am
On the news last night they were talking about the identity of some of these idiots, there was a footballer, an up and coming Olympic star, 9 year old children

It's all got out of hand, they are going to try and ban people that have rioted and looted from ever getting a council house buy to be honest ill be suprised if the government do anything
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post #35 of 39
8/13/11 at 1:57am
Here's an interesting commentary by a professor at John Jay College of Criminal Justice. He gets into the various factors that should be considered when assessing the performance of the police in London:
Would U.S. police have done better in London?
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In reviewing the response of the London Police, some observers have suggested that the U.S. experience may be helpful. In fact, the reverse may be true.
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post #36 of 39
8/13/11 at 4:46am
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Some observers, whoever that may actually be since they aren't named, will surely have a pacifist opinion on the matter, but the world by and large has never witnessed such a complete and ineffectual response to criminality with such a minor trigger unlike in Thailand for example where at least the people were rioting for a CAUSE.

IMO, the whole reason for the riot in the first place was just as in the thug that was quoted, they did it because they could, not even because of any deep rooted ideological issue or big movement that was sweeping the nation. I mean, look at the HUGE manpower they had available to them, and yet the riots pretty much went on until there was little left to steal that wasn't boarded up, and it spread to London, Birmingham, Bristol, Liverpool, Manchester, Wolverhampton, Dudley, and Leichester.

So I would argue that its been such a long history of leniency and being soft on criminality that has spread the word on the street that you can pretty much do what you want and worst case scenario you get a slap on the wrist and have to promise not to do it again. And ultimately they are right. What is REALLY going to happen to the rioters that they caught? Are they REALLY going to cut off all government benefits for life or enact some kind of true harsh punishment? We can bump this thread in a month, but I can almost promise you nothing will be done and because the prisons are so full they will find an excuse to just let most off the hook with a warning and perhaps a small fine or community service. And ultimately it wasn't just destruction of property on a massive scale that we saw, but many people were beaten with some even being shot or otherwise and died. So it will be interesting to see if this sparks a cultural shift away from pacifism/tolerance and learn something from this lesson so it doesn't reoccur next year.
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post #37 of 39
8/13/11 at 5:11am
I dont think some of you quite understand the English! We now have such a high blame culture and people sueing other people for stupid things now that if a police person had of beaten anyone to the ground, shot them, anything to them these riots would of been a lot worse AND the people rioting then make the police come off as the bad guys, Its not like the police didnt want to do more they arent allowed to by law!

And it didnt start because they could it stems from the police shooting and killing an armed man and then leading them to stick the knife in about government and the cuts they have made and are still going to do
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post #38 of 39
8/13/11 at 5:17am
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Originally Posted by jcat View Post
Here's an interesting commentary by a professor at John Jay College of Criminal Justice. He gets into the various factors that should be considered when assessing the performance of the police in London:
Would U.S. police have done better in London?
He talks about unemployment being a motivator in these riots. Have you seen who some of these people are? Employed, educated people, and children!!

I don't know if our police would have done a better job, given the restraints Britain puts on their police, NYC called in the National Guard, and they did a fine job of assisting the NYPD on 9/11. Not that it was needed for riots, during that time it seemed that crime stopped and we all stopped to help as well. Military action may have further instigated the crowds, however, I'm not so worried about how they feel, I'm more worried about their actions. When you have armed police and soldiers coming at you and insisting you stop the criminal behavior, you might be convinced better by UZI's than harsh words.
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post #39 of 39
8/13/11 at 5:21am
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The amount of police that were seriously injured was crazy high, and I can't imagine anyone that appreciates putting themselves in harms way and barriers to effectively doing their job.

I have the utmost respect, probably even more so than any police force elsewhere, for the officers that have to try and enforce the law with so many hurdles and so little support and tools at their disposal. They have cojones.

So I didn't mean to imply its the cops fault, but the legislators and the people that support them that are continuously soft on crime. Now I haven't stayed in the UK very long and its been years, but generally speaking I think most don't appreciate how soft they are until they visit Texas for example. I think the culture shock would have stopped those thugs in their tracks INSTANTLY, and the twitter feeds instead of "OMG, so much fun, lol! share your loot stories! woot!" would have been "dude, don't go out unless you want to get teargassed, shot with beanbags, have a permanent criminal record, and spend the next month in jail trying to protect your rear end from bigger inmates".

I mean, cmon, they even firebombed police HQ! That is a complete and total lack of respect for the authority of the police to do anything to them.
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