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post #31 of 40
8/30/11 at 8:16pm
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Originally Posted by Minka View Post
you also do not want to feed meat waste products aka meat by-products if you can avoid it.
A large part of what is considered "meat by-products" (things like liver, kidneys hearts, poultry skin and fat) also ends up in human foods, such as hot dogs, Vienna sausages, bologna, and other potted meats.

http://www.sixwise.com/newsletters/0...y-are-they.htm
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post #32 of 40
8/30/11 at 8:45pm
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Originally Posted by ScottP View Post
A large part of what is considered "meat by-products" (things like liver, kidneys hearts, poultry skin and fat) also ends up in human foods, such as hot dogs, Vienna sausages, bologna, and other potted meats.

http://www.sixwise.com/newsletters/0...y-are-they.htm
Who says that I eat any of these foods or that they are good for you? :P
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post #33 of 40
9/1/11 at 6:33pm
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Who says that I eat any of these foods or that they are good for you? :P
There are many people who do eat the types of foods Scott mentioned and manage doing so. Myself Im a veg head.

I always go back to balance and what you can reasonably afford. There is also the issue of what the cat(s) will or will not eat. Kind of pointless to buy food that you end of trashing now isnt it? Do your research, educate yourself and move froward from that point. There will be different opinions of what is good and what is bad. Obvious junk-Friskies, 9-Lives and many of the grocery store products. Yet in that mess there are some bright rays of hope and some foods for the budget minded.

I always laugh at those who want to get high and mighty about what they consider junk and how they would never feed it-thats cool. I had a cat live to just short of her 20th birthday, she ate mostly "junk" brands *shrugs* ymmv. What works for one animal many not work for another.
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post #34 of 40
9/1/11 at 9:01pm
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Originally Posted by anita1216 View Post
There are many people who do eat the types of foods Scott mentioned and manage doing so. Myself Im a veg head.
Being able to "manage" and a food being good for you are two totally different things. As a vegetarian you should know this.

I always go back to balance and what you can reasonably afford. There is also the issue of what the cat(s) will or will not eat. Kind of pointless to buy food that you end of trashing now isnt it? Do your research, educate yourself and move froward from that point. There will be different opinions of what is good and what is bad. Obvious junk-Friskies, 9-Lives and many of the grocery store products. Yet in that mess there are some bright rays of hope and some foods for the budget minded.

I always laugh at those who want to get high and mighty about what they consider junk and how they would never feed it-thats cool. I had a cat live to just short of her 20th birthday, she ate mostly "junk" brands *shrugs* ymmv. What works for one animal many not work for another.
Once again, just as many people may live a long life on meat filled diets doesn't mean that they were 100% healthy or that they couldn't be healthier. Some people (and cats) have good genes which allow them to eat junk their whole lives and not feel the effects, but that doesn't mean the diet was good.
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post #35 of 40
9/2/11 at 6:13am
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Originally Posted by Minka View Post
Once again, just as many people may live a long life on meat filled diets doesn't mean that they were 100% healthy or that they couldn't be healthier. Some people (and cats) have good genes which allow them to eat junk their whole lives and not feel the effects, but that doesn't mean the diet was good.
I assure you I know exactly whats good for me and what is not. I find your tone insulting. I also did not suggest the diet was good or healthy, just anecdotal evidence, something you tend to use alot of.
I don't know that its good genes, missing a "bullet" is more likely the case. More often than not, people and animals that have an unhealthy diet suffer the ill effects.
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post #36 of 40
9/2/11 at 12:27pm
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Originally Posted by ScottP View Post
A large part of what is considered "meat by-products" (things like liver, kidneys hearts, poultry skin and fat) also ends up in human foods, such as hot dogs, Vienna sausages, bologna, and other potted meats.

http://www.sixwise.com/newsletters/0...y-are-they.htm
Skin and fat fall under "chicken" ingredient, so no worries there. And there is nothing wrong with liver/kidneys but the point that was trying to be made is that it is much better to have these as listed ingredients.

If you want liver in the diet, look for foods that contain say chicken liver or lamb liver and the like. Otherwise, with "meat by-products" when you look at the AAFCO definition, these are very relaxed and you're getting non-nutritious small intestines, feet, heads, beaks, and from less regulated sources (can include 4D animals for example, unlike an ingredient like "chicken").

So there is a big difference from saying "I think some organs in food is great" to "I'm happy with the regulation of the ingredient defined as meat by-products".
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post #37 of 40
9/2/11 at 2:27pm
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Originally Posted by Ducman69 View Post
(can include 4D animals for example, unlike an ingredient like "chicken").
Sorry I have to ask, what does '4D' mean?
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post #38 of 40
9/2/11 at 2:48pm
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Originally Posted by MiLu View Post
Sorry I have to ask, what does '4D' mean?
Dead, diseased, dying and disabled. Includes - but isn't limited to - livestock, roadkill and, at some rendering facilities, euthanized animals from shelters and veterinarian clinics.

AC
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post #39 of 40
9/2/11 at 3:24pm
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Originally Posted by anita1216 View Post
I assure you I know exactly whats good for me and what is not. I find your tone insulting. I also did not suggest the diet was good or healthy, just anecdotal evidence, something you tend to use alot of.
I don't know that its good genes, missing a "bullet" is more likely the case. More often than not, people and animals that have an unhealthy diet suffer the ill effects.
If you knew that hotdogs and the like were not good or healthy, why bother arguing for them, saying that people manage? Why bother to mention that you had a cat that lived 20 years on junk food?

I just don't understand why you would be on the side of ScottP, when your vegetarian lifestyle should indicate that you are very aware of the effects of food on health. It doesn't make sense.
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post #40 of 40
9/2/11 at 5:42pm
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Originally Posted by Auntie Crazy View Post
Dead, diseased, dying and disabled. Includes - but isn't limited to - livestock, roadkill and, at some rendering facilities, euthanized animals from shelters and veterinarian clinics.

AC
Oh YUCK! I'll be going to the library tomorrow. I will make sure to look for the book you recommended in the other thread, although I'm not sure I'm ready for what I will find out
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