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post #1 of 11
Thread Starter 
Ok, so anyone that's seen my thread about Sami, should know that we have to give her pancreatic enzyme powder.
We were instructed to put it in her food, twice a day. Problem is, she flat out refuses to eat food if the powder is in it. Even tiny amounts, she will sniff it out and walk away.

Vet said "put some in a syringe with water and force it into her". That sounded like a good idea in theory but isn't that simple. No matter how hard we try to restrain her, she fights with everything she has. It's hard to hold her down because she is just skin and bones. I am scared I am going to hurt her.

I've tried wrapping a blanket/towel around her but she somehow always manages to get her front legs out straight and pulls the towel away, allowing her to hop out.

When we get any of it in her, she spits it out all over the place.

She is still dehydrated and isn't gaining any weight. I am more than certain there are people on board who've had to medicate the most stubborn, strongest, crazy cats. How did you do it? it really is a matter of life and death at this point. I am getting so tired of stressing over feeding/medicating her.
post #2 of 11
Hobbes has not been easy to give medicine to. We had to syringe feed him antibiotics and Hubby held him in this strange way- he wrapped a towel around Hobbes and held him from behind with hobbes' front legs pinned. Looked more like a hug from behind and hubby's arms crossed and held Hobbes tight and I fed Hobbes the Meds through a syringe. There was no way either of us could have managed this alone with him since he struggles a lot. I would suggest not adding a ton of water- just a little. Can you ask the vet if there was a way to compound the powder with some kind of syrup?

Recently I was having trouble giving Hobbes prednisone tablets and those are not tiny. Could not give with food as a whole or after crushing - he refused to eat. Then I got pill pockets (salmon flavor) and he loved it. I gave him about 5 each time with 1 having the med concealed. Perhaps you can give the powder in a pill pocket too?
post #3 of 11
I have had several cats....and still do that require daily medication. I had one kitty that was horrible with taking any kind of med, liquid, hidden in food, ect. She would always manage to spit it back out or not eat it.

Anyway, I met this really nice guy who was fostering my Harry when I adopted him. He showed me the easiest and quickest way to give medications. I'm not sure if you have tried this or not, but it has helped me so much and now I am able to give meds without the aid of someone else or stressing kitty as little as possible and it has worked with every cat, especially the tough ones.

I was told to just grab them by the scruff of the neck, just like mom would do, and gently pull back and slip the pill or syringe via the side. You may have to use a finger to pry the teeth open, but I find if you go towards the back of their mouths, they open up pretty readily. The trick is to get the pill or the syringe far enough back without choking kitty. I usually hold the syringe/pill between the thumb & middle finger, index on plunger (ready to squirt), and use the ring finger to open the jaw. Like I said, put pressure with your ring finger at the back of the mouth, it usually opens without too much trouble.

I found it to be amazingly easy. I was able to give my tough Emma her liquid thyroid meds daily for 5 years doing this before she passed. Now I'm on to insulin shots twice a day for one of my other kitties for the past year now. I've finally got that down to a science now....lol.

Hope this helps.

Jo Ann
post #4 of 11
Thread Starter 
Calvin&I - I tried wrapping her in a towel as tight as I could get it with her legs pinned down. I don't know how she does it but she gets out. Every...single...time. Its brutal, really.

PakRatJo - Oddly enough scruffing her doesn't work either. She will not move initially, but once the syringe gets to her lips, she she wiggles her whole body and she will bite down on the syringe, making it go forward and drip out of the other side of her mouth.

I am starting to think she wants us to leave her alone to die. She will fight to the death. Literally.
post #5 of 11
I keep thinking to check some of Carolina's old posts - she had some sort of wrap thing that worked really well with her cats.

I honestly dread the day when I'll have to medicate my cats...so far I've been pretty lucky with pills pockets and baby food, but....my Dharma fights like a wild little lady when she doesn't want something - and I'm afraid of hurting her. And I'm on my own, so don't have that extra pair of hands to help.
post #6 of 11
Thread Starter 
It has become near impossible to medicate her now. She drools excessively as soon as she's picked up and realizes what is going to happen. To top it off, as soon as I try to wrap her up, she urinates everywhere. I literally cannot get ANY medication in her mouth without get peed on, scratched or bit. She is severely dehydrated again, her eyes are sunk in and she has no interest in anything. Although she is still eating and no diarrhea. I have no idea why she is not re hydrating.

I really wanted to believe this powder would help her and that things would be OK but the stress of trying to get her still enough to get it into her is totally overwhelming for everyone involved. I'm sorry to say that I have given up. I will be making a call tomorrow to have her put down.

I don't want to sound cold and uncaring, believe me, I am not. I fought with everything I had to get Parker well but he didn't fight like this. Sami is too old, stubborn and set in her ways. I really feel like she wants to go and trying to force medication down her throat and having her flip out is only pushing her closer. I feel, at this point, it will be kinder to euthanize her.
post #7 of 11
Get baby food (meat) stage 2.... make sure it is meat ONLY and NO ONION.

Mix it in there. First, see if she will lap it on her own. If not, use the syringe and apply through the side of her mouth (slowly).

If you have control of the cat's head, you have control of the cat.

There should be some youtubes that will show you the best way to hold your cat. Soon, it will be a piece of cake. It just takes practice.

Good luck.
post #8 of 11
Thread Starter 
I had been using a syringe...but no matter how we hold her, she fights. If we do manage to get it in her mouth, she drools so bad, it all runs out. Or she runs away and spits it out. Besides, she urinates and sometimes poos as soon as the syringe is near her.

No matter what we feed her (we've tried human food too), if there is medication in it, she WILL NOT eat it. She walks away and stares at you as if to say "Yeah...um where is my REAL food?". When she is REALLY hungry, she will nibble at it but will not eat a full meal even if there is a trace of powder in it.

Her bowel movements are ok right now but I know she is not getting nearly enough of the medication. I swear, she is the most stubborn cat I have ever met in my life. To be honest, I don't know how she is still alive but maybe she is too stubborn to die.
post #9 of 11
I'm sorry you have to go through this with Sami. Sometimes quality over quantity is the way to go.
If you're really at the end point with medicating her, I'd wait a little while before PTS. The stress in and of itself may be making her symptoms worse. And you both deserve some happy memories, nice cuddle time, before PTS.
Hugs.
post #10 of 11
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Originally Posted by Ritz View Post
I'm sorry you have to go through this with Sami. Sometimes quality over quantity is the way to go.
If you're really at the end point with medicating her, I'd wait a little while before PTS. The stress in and of itself may be making her symptoms worse. And you both deserve some happy memories, nice cuddle time, before PTS.
Hugs.
But before you give up, in the "going bald around the mouth" thread, I posted some links you may find helpful. I hope you'll try the cat bag.

Thinking of you and Sami.
post #11 of 11
Thread Starter 
I got confused with both threads going. I actually have a cat bag. Getting her into it is a fight in itself. Once she is in, she gets her paw under her chin and pulls it away or I get clawed in the process. It doesn't matter how tight it is. It all sounds pathetic, really...but being feral for the first year of her life, she has this wild, stubborn side to her that she just won't let go.

We are trying the "eat it or starve method" and she has caved in a bit. She went about 14 hours without before she finally got hungry enough to eat about half of it. Hopefully she will get used to that enough to just eat it all.
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