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RedLight Cameras - The People Overrruled

post #1 of 9
Thread Starter 
What the heck!?!?!

To raise revenue, Houston implemented red-light cameras which generated $44 million in fines for Houstonians payable in part to the city and commission from the red-light camera vendor ATS.

Angered, the Houston voters approved a referendum to turn off the cameras in November, but now the feds are coming in and saying that Houstonians don't have the right to appeal, the tax payers owe millions of dollars to ATS on lost revenue, and the cameras are being turned back on today with tickets issued after a short period of testing, against the wishes of the people.

So much for representative democracy enacting the will of the people.

For the record, studies have shown that while red-light cameras reduce right angle crashes, there was a marked increased in overall traffic injuries incurred at these intersections in particular from an increase in rear-end collisions, and an overall increase in fatalities following camera use. A 2004 study of 17,271 crashes from North Carolina A & T University showed that the presence of red light cameras increased the overall number of crashes by 40%. To date, six US cities have been caught decreasing the length of the yellow light below the legal limits in an effort to catch more drivers running red lights and increasing revenue, and many others have had email communications intercepted and released to the public citing reducing yellow light times to minimums to address budget issues, when an INCREASE in yellow light duration has shown a positive safety benefit in various studies.

Safety advocates for the people such as the AAA are against red light cameras due to conflict of interest in that they are primarily used to raise revenue and have not improved safety, and Arkansas, Maine, Mississippi, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire and West Virginia have outlawed red light cameras. I am saddened that Texas is not on this list, and that the Mayor is allowing this blatant taxation of the people against their wishes.
post #2 of 9
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Oh and btw, while I have been lucky, a coworker was in a rage up here when he was given an insane fine by ATS.

He was making right-on-reds at a completely empty very high visibility intersection by his house, but not coming to a 3-second stop before turning right as required by law. A cop likely would have ignored this given the circumstances, or issued a warning on the spot. Unfortunately, there is a delay in processing of the camera's tickets since they have to be reviewed before mailing them, so after doing this for two weeks every day, he started receiving fine after fine in the mail. Cha$Ching$!!!

He said he was going to fight it, but I didn't get the results....

Anyone here been the victim of RL Cameras or have an opinion on their legality?
post #3 of 9
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Originally Posted by Ducman69 View Post
but not coming to a 3-second stop before turning right >>as required by law<<
Doesn't that answer the entire question?
post #4 of 9
There is no "3 second" requirement in law. That is just how the company (and NOT the city!) that runs the red light cameras has programmed them. The law is called "The Right Turn on Red After Stop Law." It was adopted in about 1975, nationally, to reduce fuel wastage at stop lights.

Check out this site:

National Motorists Association

This is the group that virtually single-handedly ended the National 55 mph Speed Limit.
post #5 of 9
Thread Starter 
Oh, I thought that was the law on determining if a stop was "complete". I suppose their interpretation is as good as any if the city OK's it for generating revenue.
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Originally Posted by mrblanche
Check out this site:
National Motorists Association


Anyone here a paying member? If the $35 goes to a good cause and they are effective, I'm willing to contribute. For the mailing address, are they good about not sending too much SPAM?
post #6 of 9
I was busted by one at an intersection in my hometown of 70,000 people. I was doing the speed limit, but the light was turning yellow and I was too close to stop, so I hit the gas pedal to try and beat it. If I had hit my brakes, I would have been in the middle of the intersection. I saw the little "flash" as I wen t through and sure enough....one week later I got my 50 daller ticket in the mail, along with a photo of my car and a close up of my tags. Oh....and I was clocked at 47 mph in a 40 mph zone.
post #7 of 9
DH and I were visiting my uncle in New Mexico and they have red light cameras there- we don't where we live. Long story short, we were taking my uncle's car to get some food and a light turned yellow, causing DH to slam the breaks- and we were very, very nearly rear-ended.

I think those cameras are an awful idea.
post #8 of 9
I once got "flashed" by the red-light camera in Sioux Falls (it was the only one in the state, and, last I heard, it was disabled pending a lawsuit. Don't know if they ever got that settled or not). I was stopped at the red light, first in line, it turned green and I went and the light flashed. I was mad, said that if they sent me a ticket I'd give them a piece of my mind, but they never did send a ticket. I don't know if the flash malfunctioned or if it always took a picture of the first person in line.

But anyway, I don't think they do much good. They put up the one in SF to prevent right-on-red turns at that intersection (there are signs saying "no right on red"), but just as many people did it when the camera was up as did before. So then I guess they just did it to make more money, and I don't think that's right. I think that's what the lawsuit is about.
post #9 of 9
Most people don't understand 3 things about red light cameras:

1. They are a business, and run by a business. They are NOT law enforcement. They are revenue enhancement. The tickets are sent by a corporation, in the name of the city, and NOT by the city. The city just gets a cut on each ticket, all in one check per month, all without hiring a single new policeman. This is why the ticket is a civil fine and not a criminal fine.

2. The companies operating the cameras have been caught reducing the yellow light timing, to increase infractions.

3. Increasing yellow-light timing to the national standard has been shown to reduce red-light running much more than the cameras...but then, no one makes any money from actual safety.

You don't have to join the NMA, but they can be very helpful and can kill many tickets.
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