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post #91 of 119
I didn't see any of the testimony, but I was struck at how many people commented on how frail and unhealthy Murdoch looked. Do you think he is machiavellian enough to have had his doctors give him something to make him look worse, going for the sympathy vote?

And as far as making sure the underlings go along with the story...the ATF leadership, all the way up to Eric Holder, need to be told the same thing.

Back to NewsCorp. How long do you think it will take for the original tabloid involved in this to open back up again, possibly under new ownership? Wasn't it one of the most popular in Britain? How could anyone pass up a gold mine like that?
post #92 of 119
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I didn't see any of the testimony, but I was struck at how many people commented on how frail and unhealthy Murdoch looked. Do you think he is machiavellian enough to have had his doctors give him something to make him look worse, going for the sympathy vote?
The man is 80 years old. He could probably just slump in his chair and pull that off all by himself.

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And as far as making sure the underlings go along with the story...the ATF leadership, all the way up to Eric Holder, need to be told the same thing.
Not sure why we're still comparing apples to golf balls.

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Back to NewsCorp. How long do you think it will take for the original tabloid involved in this to open back up again, possibly under new ownership? Wasn't it one of the most popular in Britain? How could anyone pass up a gold mine like that?
It was, but only one day a week. Being the most popular once a week probably didn't account for as big a bonanza as it would seem at first glance. Especially when several of the others don't publish on that day. It may just be an illusion of numbers.
post #93 of 119
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Ooh, the cup runneth over. This is going to be a really big puddle by the time it's over.

CNN Host Is Dragged Into Phone Scandal
post #94 of 119
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The ugliness just keeps getting deeper and deeper.

Mother of slain girl might be among British phone-hacking victims
post #95 of 119
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Ooh, the cup runneth over. This is going to be a really big puddle by the time it's over.

CNN Host Is Dragged Into Phone Scandal
The problem with "big puddles" is that they tend not to be very deep, and dry up very quickly.

In fact, the wider it spreads, probably the less motivated news organizations will be to pursue it.
post #96 of 119
There's more and more coming out every day on the phone hacking

This is something that isn't going to go away quickly

Especially now with other newspapers being investigated
post #97 of 119
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There's more and more coming out every day on the phone hacking

This is something that isn't going to go away quickly

Especially now with other newspapers being investigated
You think all the news outlets are going to become a "circular firing squad?" I guess it could happen.
post #98 of 119
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You think all the news outlets are going to become a "circular firing squad?" I guess it could happen.
Actually, I do see that happening. Turning into a merry-go-round of "they did it first and worst" reporting.
post #99 of 119
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Actually, I do see that happening. Turning into a merry-go-round of "they did it first and worst" reporting.
Well, since it's the nature of the good journalist to pursue a good story, you could be right.
post #100 of 119
If just half of what is claimed in this article about "the long national nightmare of the Murdochization of America" is true, News Corporation's problems in the U.S. are going to be humongous, and those who really believe Faux is "fair and balanced" will be in for a huge letdown:
Murdoch Hacked Us Too
post #101 of 119
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Originally Posted by jcat View Post
If just half of what is claimed in this article about "the long national nightmare of the Murdochization of America" is true, News Corporation's problems in the U.S. are going to be humongous, and those who really believe Faux is "fair and balanced" will be in for a huge letdown:
Murdoch Hacked Us Too
Ah, but we need Fox to point out the problems at National Socialist Radio, don't you think?
post #102 of 119
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Ah, but we need Fox to point out the problems at National Socialist Radio, don't you think?
What? Do you really believe the Fox propaganda engine's spin on NPR? That's one of the points in the article - how they spin things to strengthen their control on the public.

I'm not going to look it up market share, but consider this: NPR has a minute fraction of the audience that Fox has. Why is so important for Fox to continually attack NPR? Why are they a threat to them? Because NPR reports news that is contrary to FOX propaganda?

It really isn't Faux news. Its Fox propaganda. I like the comment made about them putting editorials on page one as if an opinion was fact based news. Now THAT is what Fox is all about.
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post #104 of 119
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I know bribes used to be deductible in some countries, although I can't remember if they ever were in the U.S. This applied to companies that were doing business in other countries and had to pay bribes to get anything done. Anyone remember the IRS ruling? I know it was funny at the time.
post #105 of 119
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What? Do you really believe the Fox propaganda engine's spin on NPR? That's one of the points in the article - how they spin things to strengthen their control on the public.
Do you believe NPR's propaganda spin about Fox? Have you even heard what Juan Williams has said about both of them? Did you hear his interviews on the Diane Rehm show?
post #106 of 119
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Do you believe NPR's propaganda spin about Fox?
We have 4 NPR stations that are broadcast in my area. They are on 4 of my 6 radio buttons in my car. I have never heard NPR bashing another media outlet in the many years that I've been a listener. Do you listen to NPR, or only what Fox claims that NPR says about them?
post #107 of 119
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We have 4 NPR stations that are broadcast in my area. They are on 4 of my 6 radio buttons in my car. I have never heard NPR bashing another media outlet in the many years that I've been a listener. Do you listen to NPR, or only what Fox claims that NPR says about them?
You don't hear NPR making the snide remarks about the Washington Times, New York Post, or any Fox News program? Really? Do you have the radio on, or just have the buttons set?

I listen to NPR all the time.

Have you heard the two interviews Diane Rehm had with Juan Williams? If not, I highly recommend them. And you might even agree with his point. He said that there are controlling elements at NPR who can't even stand to discuss an opposing view with a Conservative or a Republican. And yes, I know people like that who only watch Fox News. He also said that although such people as Sean Hannity are staunchly Conservative, they nevertheless have him, Marla Liasson, Bob Beckle, and numerous other liberals on all the time to discuss their opposing views. Williams' theme in his book "Muzzled" is that too many Americans would rather be ignorant than risk hearing an opposing view, and NPR and its listeners are no better about it than Fox and its viewers. And yes, I have heard Diane Rehm refer to Fox News in terms that almost exactly echo those that I have heard used on Fox for NPR.

I can listen to both (I don't watch much TV, but my Sirius Satellite Radio gets 2 NPR feeds, and only one Fox feed).
post #108 of 119
It looks like things are going to get very uncomfortable again for Rupert and James Murdoch, not to mention PM Cameron:
Phone hacking: News of the World reporter's letter reveals cover-up

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Rupert Murdoch, James Murdoch and their former editor Andy Coulson all face embarrassing new allegations of dishonesty and cover-up after the publication of an explosive letter written by the News of the World's disgraced royal correspondent, Clive Goodman.
In the letter, which was written four years ago but published only on Tuesday, Goodman claims that phone hacking was "widely discussed" at editorial meetings at the paper until Coulson himself banned further references to it; that Coulson offered to let him keep his job if he agreed not to implicate the paper in hacking when he came to court; and that his own hacking was carried out with "the full knowledge and support" of other senior journalists, whom he named.
Letter reopens hacking scandal

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Testifying with his father, Rupert, who is the chairman and chief executive of News Corporation, James Murdoch told the committee on July 19 that he had not known until late last year that phone hacking was widespread at the newspaper.
But Tom Crone, a former lawyer at the News of the World, and Colin Myler, a former editor, disputed this in later submissions to the committee that were published yesterday, saying he and Mr Myler had told Mr Murdoch in 2008 about an email that implicated more reporters in the scandal. Jonathan Chapman, a former lawyer at News International, also complained of ''serious inaccuries'' in Mr Murdoch's testimony.
post #109 of 119
A life unravelled … whistleblower who incurred wrath of the Murdoch empire
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This is a cautionary tale about what can happen to someone who dares to become a corporate whistleblower. Or, more specifically, someone who incurs the wrath of News Corporation, the media empire owned by Rupert Murdoch, of which News America forms a part. ...

One incident that US investigators are exploring is the hacking of a website run by one of News America's rivals, an instore advertising business called Floorgraphics. The firm discovered that its password-protected site had been breached from an IP address at News America's offices in Connecticut. News America has condemned the breach as a "violation of the standards of our company" but says it does not know how it happened. ...

The company is the leading US provider of in-store advertising services, helping to bring products from firms such as Coca-Cola, Kraft and Nabisco to the attention of supermarket shoppers. Headed by Paul Carlucci, who now publishes Murdoch's tabloid the New York Post, it enjoys annual revenues of more than $1bn and has a 90% stranglehold on the market. News America also has a record of legal disputes with its commercial rivals, three of whom have launched lawsuits against it in recent years accusing the firm of using unlawful practices.

All three lawsuits – including the Floorgraphics one and cases initiated by Valassis and Insignia – were eventually settled, but not before News America agreed to pay an astounding $655m to end the disputes.
post #110 of 119
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It looks like things are going to get very uncomfortable again for Rupert and James Murdoch, not to mention PM Cameron:
Phone hacking: News of the World reporter's letter reveals cover-up


Letter reopens hacking scandal
Isn't if funny how often those doing dirty deeds like to keep records of it? Hence the U.S. rules on retaining e-mails. How many criminals have been tripped up by their own record keeping?

And do we all remember the famous 18 minutes of silence?
post #111 of 119
The neverending story:
Rupert, James Murdoch to Testify Under Oath About Phone Hacking
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Whether or not Murdoch lied, deceit will not be an option the second time around. As part of Lord Justice Leveson's inquiry into the phone hacking scandal and the practices of the media at large, both Murdochs will testify before him -- in court, under oath and on live television, the Telegraph reported.
post #112 of 119
Lest anyone think the whole scandal has been swept under the rug:

Latest Hacking Scandal Arrest Suggests Focus on Cover-Up
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Scotland Yard’s arrest of a former personal assistant to Rebekah Brooks, a former chief executive of the British newspaper arm of Rupert Murdoch’s News Corporation, appears to reflect the investigators’ intensifying focus on the possibility of a cover-up by executives, editors and others of the extent of illegal phone hacking and other criminal wrongdoing at the The News of the World, which is now defunct. ... As the scandal grew last year, dominating headlines in Britain for months, the police inquiry, and hearings by a parliamentary committee, began to focus on allegations that executives, editors and others involved had conspired to cover up the extent of the wrongdoing, which Scotland Yard said last month had involved the hacking of the cellphones of at least 800 people.
post #113 of 119

What was the upshot of the testimony of the CNN host?  Was it ... Anderson Cooper?  or who?

post #114 of 119
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Originally Posted by jcat View Post

If just half of what is claimed in this article about "the long national nightmare of the Murdochization of America" is true, News Corporation's problems in the U.S. are going to be humongous, and those who really believe Faux is "fair and balanced" will be in for a huge letdown:
Murdoch Hacked Us Too

Those who really, actually believe Fox is "fair and balanced" will call this whole situation a scandal fabricated by liberals to discredit conservatives. wink.gif
post #115 of 119

Fox says, "Fair and Balanced," and they're right.  At least as right as any other network.  I've always been amazed at the accusations against Fox and the protestations of non-bias at NPR, particularly, but NBC has been right in there.  I'll believe NPR when they hire some people from Fox to comment on a daily basis at NPR.

 

This scandal, however, is of Murdoch's own making.  Why look for conspiracies, when much simpler explanations will suffice?  Like incompetence, overcompetitiveness, ambition, etc?

post #116 of 119
Rupert Murdoch not fit to run a major company, says a British panel
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Rupert Murdoch “is not a fit person to exercise the stewardship of a major international company,” a British parliamentary committee said on Tuesday in a scathing report over News Corp.’s handling of the phone hacking scandal.

The report culminates months of investigation by a select committee and was far more condemning of the 81-year-old media titan than expected, saying the chairman and chief executive of News Corp. had “turned a blind eye and exhibited wilful blindness” over the widespread malpractice at his now-closed News of the World tabloid.

Select committee phone-hacking report: what they said about key figures
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News International executives sought to "buy silence" and downplay the extent of phone hacking at the News of the World over two years of evidence before parliament, a committee of MPs has concluded.

The cross-party culture, media and sport committee repeatedly described as "astonishing" attempts by three News International executives to mislead MPs and withhold crucial information in a 121-page report about phone hacking at Rupert Murdoch's UK newspaper group, published on Tuesday.

UK lawmakers: Rupert Murdoch unfit to lead company
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Members of the panel said Rupert Murdoch, 81, had insisted he was unaware that hacking was widespread at the News of The World, blaming his staff for keeping him in the dark. That explanation was not accepted.

The legislators said if that was true, "he turned a blind eye and exhibited willful blindness to what was going on in his companies."

In a ruling opposed by 4 Conservative Party members of the 11-member committee, the panel cast serious doubt on Murdoch's credentials as an executive.

"We conclude, therefore, that Rupert Murdoch is not a fit person to exercise the stewardship of a major international company," the report said.

The judgment on Murdoch implies that News Corp., which he heads, is also not fit to control British Sky Broadcasting, in which the company has a controlling stake of 39 percent.
post #117 of 119

Just curious...is there some provision in British law for removing the head of a corporation at the behest of Parliament? 

 

Or is this report like most of our congressional reports, so much political window dressing and positioning for the next election?

 

Because if this is something that Parliament or Congress can do, I have some suggestions...

post #118 of 119
What's at stake is a UK broadcasting license:
BSkyB insists it is 'fit and proper' amid speculation Ofcom could force Murdoch share sale
More woe for Murdoch as Ofcom steps up its investigation into whether BSkyB is fit and proper owner of broadcasting licence

Ofcom is the Office of Communications, which regulates broadcasting, communications and the postal industry. It's similar to the Federal Communications Commission in the U.S.. Wikipedia has a summary of the BSkyB affair: Criticisms of BSkyB
post #119 of 119

I've heard your broadcasting is much more tightly regulated than it is here in the U.S., so I wondered if there were some legal ramifications to the declaration.
 

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