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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7kFC6KSNVc

For a quick background, MasterCard is responsible for a complete banking blockade of Wikileaks, which under international law should be illegal since they are not defined as a terrorist/drug/etc illegal operation.... at least not officially.

As mentioned before, I have mixed feelings about Wikileaks.

On the one hand, in many parts of the world and yes even in the US the press is constrained by or in bed with government (such as holding onto the leak about the illegal wire taps of the Bush administration by promise until AFTER the election for an entire year), and there are operations out there that would NOT sit well with the people if known and its good to bring that to light as a force against authoritarianism around the globe. Wikileaks has leaked info about human rights violations of the Chinese communist government, the Australian government's planned use of child pornography as a guise to censor legitimate websites, blunders like US funded militias in Iraq working for Al Qaeda, exposed the Guantanamo imprisonment of a 15 year old known innocent rape victim due to possible knowledge of terrorist activity from the experience, the coverup of the Reuters journalist inadvertently killed by US forces in Baghdad, and more.

On the other hand, they are hypocrites trying to sue their own employees that leak Wikileaks info, appear to be more profit driven in their enterprise than merely desiring freedom-of-information, and they have total disregard for the possible ramifications for the most part for their leaks and some are top secret for valid reasons the people agree with. For example, Wikileaks released a list of Afghan informants for the US, putting their lives in jeopardy and amounting to a massive setback to the operation which is downright treasonous. But perhaps that is a matter of perspective, as I would feel differently for example if Wikileaks produced a list of names of informants for China in the United States, which would certainly hurt the Chinese and anger the Chinese government and likely be considered treason as well, but is great news for the US.

Thoughts?
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Originally Posted by Ducman69 View Post
But perhaps that is a matter of perspective, as I would feel differently for example if Wikileaks produced a list of names of informants for China in the United States, which would certainly hurt the Chinese and anger the Chinese government and likely be considered treason as well, but is great news for the US.
Do you think they're going to do that? Why or why not? Your answer will probably inform you as to whether or not Wikileaks is actually interested in openness and whether they should be prosecuted/persecuted by the powers that be in the U.S.
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I believe they would if they had access to the information as that would be big news and big news is big money, but I don't know that they have the infrastructure to infiltrate the Chinese government to get that kind of information.

After all, most of their information comes from internal whistleblowers or internet hacks, which I don't believe the Chinese government is as vulnerable to.

CNN and Fox and the like though in mainstream media have been described as having a "patriotic" disposition, and generally hold back on information that would be overall harmful to the US government at large. And perhaps that relationship allows for a level of trust which gives them greater access to information, so I don't know if its good or bad. On the positive side though, I think if CNN and FOX learned about a fire starting in a crowded theater they would be cautious about how to word the situation, whereas I could see wikileaks just screaming "FIRE! FIRE! FIRE!!!".
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I agree with Ducman on that one. Even thought China is full of witnesses to their actions, actually having "hands on" with government documentation pretty much requires being a hard core, card carrying party member. Not (usually) the kind of people who are going to be farming out sensitive records.
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And for internet attacks, as everyone knows not only are they behind the "Great Firewall of China", but the government's internet police force is the largest on the planet, estimated at approximately 30,000 members. No one is more serious about internet security and censorship than the Reds.

And Wikileaks clearly isn't EXCLUSIVELY targeting US Government/Military secrets, as they have helped:

-exposing 217 cases of UN peace-keepers accused of sexually abusing and impregnating girls in eastern Congo

-end the corrupt rule of the Arap-Moi family in Kenya

-exposing the Chinese government-authorized hacks against Google after a Chinese Official was not pleased with the results of Googling himself

-evidence that Iran devised suicide weaponry for Al-Qaeda use in Iraq

-proof of corruption in Iceland’s Kaupthing Bank leading to the Icelandic financial crisis

-the accepting of bribes by the Peruvian government from oil companies

-purposeful offloading of toxic waste into cities of the Ivory Coast leading tens of thousands of injuries and deaths


Certainly you can dig up plenty of "I can't believe they released that" items for a nice list too, but that is why they are a shade of gray for me. Take out Wikileaks, you take out the good done as well.
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