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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43533004.../?beginSlide=1

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43507672...more_politics/


Another State has finally entered the 21st Century!


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ALBANY, N.Y. — After days of contentious negotiations and last-minute reversals by two Republican senators, New York became the sixth and largest state in the U.S. to legalize gay marriage, breathing life into the national gay rights movement that had stalled over a nearly identical bill here two years ago.
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that there'll be a domino effect!
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There was a lot of soul searching going on in the debates leading up to that vote. Some of the people that voted in favor are already getting threatening communications from the bigots.

http://www.buffalonews.com/city/poli...icle468372.ece
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Great job New York. Now, lets see you reverse the BAN on exotic animals too!!
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I really like this fellow's view on it;

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/...e-gays/241068/
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There was a lot of soul searching going on in the debates leading up to that vote. Some of the people that voted in favor are already getting threatening communications from the bigots.

http://www.buffalonews.com/city/poli...icle468372.ece
Thank you for that link. I was getting misty eyed while reading it. You can really tell from the article that he did struggle with it, even on the home front with his wife.

He said something that should be stamped above the door of every political office in the world!

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"If I take the Catholic out of me, which is hard to do, then absolutely they should have these rights," Grisanti told The News. "It has nothing to do with politics. It has to do with my own personal belief."
And that is exactly it! So many can't put aside their religious beliefs and base their political work on pure facts without religious bias.
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Try as I might, I have never been able to understand WHY gay marriage could ever in a million years be seen as a threat to the institution of marriage. That's like saying the guy down the street is impinging on my rights by legally changing his name.

Oh, I'm a recovering Catholic, BTW...
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Homosexual marriage rubs some people wrong because its a question of morality, and morals are subjective.

IMO, turning morality into law in cases where it can't be easily demonstrated that it directly and very noticeably affects the life, liberty, and happiness of their peers is wrong. Two big bearded hairy guys making out grosses me out (although the girls tend to have the opposite effect), but that is certainly not directly impacting my life, liberty, and happiness to the extent that it needs to be banned by law.

HOWEVER, they are still hypocrites then if polygamists want their marriage recognized but are still banned as being immoral, as its the exact same issue.

And some have argued that the marriage has laws surrounding it as an institution primarily as the standard mold for which children are raised for the next generation. Certainly this logic works for polygamists better than it does sterile homosexual couples.

So the sensible solution IMO is to completely do away with marriage from government endorsement, and have the government only recognize voluntary unions of any type, for joined household tax purposes and visitation rights and the like. The romance is in the ceremony after all, not in some cold disinterested government office to pick up a sheet of paper. And certainly a polygamist wife is entitled to see her husband in the hospital as much as a lesbian is to see her exclusive lover she considers a spouse. And the great thing about this is that it no longer mixes the fact that "marriage" is a religious ceremony and that government by its endorsement also equals an endorsement by the people, and people as individuals have the right not to support gay marriage or polygamy or whatever else... they just don't have a right to ban it IMO. So its the only real fair solution for all IMO.
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So the sensible solution IMO is to completely do away with marriage from government endorsement, and have the government only recognize voluntary unions of any type, for joined household tax purposes and visitation rights and the like.
Agreed. I could never be in a polygamous relationship, but I don't think it should be illegal. I do agree with laws that require an age minimum for entering into such unions, but IMO that should be somewhere around 25...
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