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Does that mean he's telling another lie?
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Originally Posted by GloriaJH View Post
Does that mean he's telling another lie?
When he tells the truth it's leg slapping funny. I like the one where he said that he couldn't confirm that the picture wasn't him.

I was just looking at the monitor thinking "oh, no you did'n".
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_congressman_twitter_photo

There was always something wrong with his response to this, you could tell he was panicking. My only question is what the heck was he thinking! What is it with politicians and their freaky sex addictions that they are willing to loose everything by exploiting themselves??!!
Hollywood is better at covering up these issues. Example Arnold Schwarzenegger, no one knew until after he became a politician.
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The thing I don't understand is why the United States pretends we are so prude that this matters at all.

We are fighting wars in the middle-east, we have massive ecological disasters such as the oil spill and long-term ramifications to deal with, we have an economy that is in shambles with the highest private sector unemployment rate since the depression... and we really care if a politician has a sex drive?

John F. Kennedy had women on the side all the time, and no one seemed to care, so when exactly did this political soap opera gossip fest start? I know when this happens in France, Germany, or Spain no one gives a hoot, as long as they are doing their jobs.

If I were his wife or girlfriend, this would be very important to me and I'd have a right to demand details and an explanation. Since I'm not, its really none of my business IMO. *shrugs*
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The thing I don't understand is why the United States pretends we are so prude that this matters at all.

We are fighting wars in the middle-east, we have massive ecological disasters such as the oil spill and long-term ramifications to deal with, we have an economy that is in shambles with the highest private sector unemployment rate since the depression... and we really care if a politician has a sex drive?

John F. Kennedy had women on the side all the time, and no one seemed to care, so when exactly did this political soap opera gossip fest start? I know when this happens in France, Germany, or Spain no one gives a hoot, as long as they are doing their jobs.

If I were his wife or girlfriend, this would be very important to me and I'd have a right to demand details and an explanation. Since I'm not, its really none of my business IMO. *shrugs*
I totally agree! It is very unfortunate that this is what many people will end up knowing him for. Last week a couple people who I work with asked me who Weiner was, and they were serious! They had no clue who he was other then he is in the headlines, and these are people who live in NYC!
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How do you pronounce "Weiner"? Is it really like Oscar Meyer - ? If so, that's pretty funny!
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What is it with politicians and their freaky sex addictions
IMO the whole "sex addiction" thing is blown out of proportion by the media of late too. All men are "sex addicts" in my experience, just not all act on it. Men that have fame, fortune, celebrity, etc status have far far far more opportunities thrown at them than most men have to deal with. This is a huge confidence booster as well over time inflating the ego so they seek it out more as well, and ultimately I think the average guy put into the same circumstances for a few years would end up doing the same thing. So what all these celebrities and rich guys and what not have in common IMO is not some 'disease', just the fact they are loaded and famous.

I call it the "alpha male" syndrome. Just a (honest) male perspective on the matter at least.
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How do you pronounce "Weiner"? Is it really like Oscar Meyer - ? If so, that's pretty funny!

IMO the whole "sex addiction" thing is blown out of proportion by the media of late too. All men are "sex addicts" in my experience, just not all act on it. Men that have fame, fortune, celebrity, etc status have far far far more opportunities thrown at them than most men have to deal with. This is a huge confidence booster as well over time inflating the ego so they seek it out more as well, and ultimately I think the average guy put into the same circumstances for a few years would end up doing the same thing. So what all these celebrities and rich guys and what not have in common IMO is not some 'disease', just the fact they are loaded and famous.

I call it the "alpha male" syndrome. Just a (honest) male perspective on the matter at least.
Yep, he is a hot dog!
I agree with you, although I still have hope that not ALL men are sex addicts. It is the taboo of what they do, and the risk of being caught that gives them the high.
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Originally Posted by Ducman69 View Post
How do you pronounce "Weiner"? Is it really like Oscar Meyer - ? If so, that's pretty funny!

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I call it the "alpha male" syndrome. Just a (honest) male perspective on the matter at least.
Yes. He told reporters (after the photos but before the mea culpa) "I have a last name that's very easy to make fun of..."

Did anyone notice there was a white cat lounging in the background in one of his photos? The one with him sitting and smiling with a bed nearby on the right side of the photo. The cat (long haired, white fur) is on the bed! He or he and his wife have a cat so I forgive him The thing that's odd is saying the sending of the pic(s) was part of a joke. With a body like that, what's to joke about? e.g. "Ha ha, I'm so buff" If he had Elton John's body, then ok you can imagine a punchline in there somewhere... To me, that one word - joke - doesn't add up.
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Who cares what Weiner likes to do in his spare time.....
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I think that when a political figure like him sends stuff from his @RepWeiner account, he's doing it as a political figure, not as a private citizen. He took advantage of his position and his power, he lied, and he acted very inappropriately. I mean, this guy hasn't even been married a year. That sort of behaviour is so unacceptable, and it should be public knowledge because it shows a major character flaw - he either doesn't know right from wrong, or doesn't have any self-control. Either way, it's not acceptable for someone in power.
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He's old enough to know better.
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I think that when a political figure like him sends stuff from his @RepWeiner account, he's doing it as a political figure, not as a private citizen. He took advantage of his position and his power, he lied, and he acted very inappropriately. I mean, this guy hasn't even been married a year. That sort of behaviour is so unacceptable, and it should be public knowledge because it shows a major character flaw - he either doesn't know right from wrong, or doesn't have any self-control. Either way, it's not acceptable for someone in power.
How did he use his position to pressure anyone into sex that wasn't interested in it? And JFK hooked up with a mafia boss's girlfriend, a press secretary, Marilyn Monroe, and more. Yes, his position as leader of the free world added to his credentials and many women find power and authority sexy, but unless he was pressuring a subordinate, its "nunyas" and not job performance related what he does or doesn't do on his free time on his own dime.

I guess what I'm trying to understand is, what is the consensus on what a politicians job actually is? Are they supposed to be primarily just role models? Because most kids I know don't have politicians as role models (doubt many kids are singing "I wish I were like Senator Weiner, That is what I'd really love to be....." heh), they have football, basketball, and baseball players or Britney Spears or Eminem and the like as role models, and many of them are far worse from murderers to rapists. And if its about "self-control", well, cmon a high sex drive doesn't mean you're "out of control" in every aspect of your life. If a senator was overweight for example, would we say, "oh well, she's fat, she obviously has no self-control so we can't have her making important decisions if she can't even control what she eats." I dunno, IMO I'd like to see the country run as a business, and I don't care if he's a closet homosexual that likes to dress up in costumes on the weekend, as long as he's focused and does a good job Monday-Friday at the office.

Don't get me wrong, I'm usually happy to see a democrat kicked out of the senate as in general they haven't been doing me any favors, but I wish people were mad at him because of his policy choices and bills that he voted on.
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How did he use his position to pressure anyone into sex that wasn't interested in it?
That's not at all what I said. I said he abused his position of power. He started sending lewd photos to females who contacted him as a political figure. The most recent one who broke the story had only been talking to him about political matters, and he decided he'd send a photo of his underpants. Disgusting.

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And JFK hooked up with a mafia boss's girlfriend, a press secretary, Marilyn Monroe, and more. Yes, his position as leader of the free world added to his credentials and many women find power and authority sexy, but unless he was pressuring a subordinate, its "nunyas" and not job performance related what he does or doesn't do on his free time on his own dime.

I guess what I'm trying to understand is, what is the consensus on what a politicians job actually is? Are they supposed to be primarily just role models? Because most kids I know don't have politicians as role models (doubt many kids are singing "I wish I were like Senator Weiner, That is what I'd really love to be....." heh), they have football, basketball, and baseball players or Britney Spears or Eminem and the like as role models, and many of them are far worse from murderers to rapists. And if its about "self-control", well, cmon a high sex drive doesn't mean you're "out of control" in every aspect of your life. If a senator was overweight for example, would we say, "oh well, she's fat, she obviously has no self-control so we can't have her making important decisions if she can't even control what she eats." I dunno, IMO I'd like to see the country run as a business, and I don't care if he's a closet homosexual that likes to dress up in costumes on the weekend, as long as he's focused and does a good job Monday-Friday at the office.

Don't get me wrong, I'm usually happy to see a democrat kicked out of the senate as in general they haven't been doing me any favors, but I wish people were mad at him because of his policy choices and bills that he voted on.
It matters because he has security clearances. He has access to things the average joe doesn't. He has power to make a difference, and he put himself in a position where he could be easily blackmailed and compromised.
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How did he use his position to pressure anyone into sex that wasn't interested in it?
Apparently he sent inappropriate messages to women who friended him on Facebook or followed him on Twitter. Do that to a 17-year-old, and you're courting jail time. As, apparently, he did.
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Well, personally I don't consider a 17 yr old a child, and back in Germany our age of consent was 14. Online, he may also not have had a clue what age the person was, as a lot of people put bogus ages on their social networking accounts (if you don't put you're over 18 on youtube for example I believe your account is restricted). But that aside, if he is breaking the law, then by all means persecute him legally and take away his office.

Why he was out macking on whoever instead of with his wife, again I don't know the whole story. For all we know there were serious marital issues and maybe she wouldn't even touch him in months, and they were only together for political reasons or because they have kids. *shrugs*

The blackmailing thing, while absolutely true, is only true because Americans make such a big deal of these things. Twenty years ago, and to some extend even now, you could blackmail a guy for finding out he was light in the loafers. Now I would expect most to just go "meh, go ahead, reveal it and I'll reveal that you tried to blackmail me" and call the bluff.
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I feel bad for Weiner, there is nothing there to suggest he did anything inappropriate with the 17 year old, and yet they are doing an investigation on him
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The whole business about the 17-year-old appears to be much ado about nothing:
Weiner's Messages to Teen Are Probed
post #18 of 30
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Ducman69, please don't go down the path of "blame the wife" - in most instances each individual makes his/her own choice - and can't blame anyone else for his/her own decisions.

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Ducman69: Why he was out macking on whoever instead of with his wife, again I don't know the whole story. For all we know there were serious marital issues and maybe she wouldn't even touch him in months, and they were only together for political reasons or because they have kids. *shrugs*

Also, I believe he said that he and his wife had talked about this sort of issue before they were married (he said as much in his "apology") - so it seems he had this problem before he ??met her ??, or they were married.

He really needs counseling - maybe he should ask Tiger Woods for a referral.
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Ducman69, please don't go down the path of "blame the wife" - in most instances each individual makes his/her own choice - and can't blame anyone else for his/her own decisions.
I didn't mean to imply I'm blaming anyone, just that I have no clue what their private life is like to judge anyone. Him or her.

As an example, completely against my wishes I got involved as "counselor" to a friend of mine who was feeling guilty about "cheating" on his wife with a, ehem, professional masseuse. I just listened for a while, as at first I would have just said, "well, congrats I just lost all respect for you" but when he started showing me their bills and how she was bankrupting them which was obvious, refused to go to marriage counseling with him, and then started using sex as a weapon after he cut off her money supply, then I kinda understood why he was going outside the marriage to meet his needs and not breaking things off with her for the sake of their kids. So he went from just plain jerk, to troubled regular human being in my eyes, which taught me there are usually two sides to every story so reserve judgment when possible.
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He really needs counseling - maybe he should ask Tiger Woods for a referral.
ROFL!
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He really needs counseling
The latest that I've seen this afternoon is that he asked for a leave of absence to get counceling.
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The latest that I've seen this afternoon is that he asked for a leave of absence to get counceling.
And then when he comes back we can "fire" him for the right reason, for being a liberal blowhard that from the youtube vids I have seen is so far out of touch with reality its comical!
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Guess he and his wife, who just returned from overseas last night, had a long heart-to-heart conversation and she needed this to go away for her and her baby's health. (?)

I'm glad he's getting help. Pornography is addictive, and I think there must be a brain chemical that requires more and more sensual input that can cause out-of-control actions which are enabled by the easy access of the 21st century technology.

A civilized society has it's rules of normalcy - and in different parts of the world this normalcy has different rules of acceptance. In most of our society here - Mr. Weiner's actions are unacceptable. He was involved in risky actions, and he knew his actions were wrong or else he wouldn't have been so quick to develop a cover-up plan of lies, IMO.

Mr. Weiner fell on his sword for several good reasons, for his family, for his friends, and for his Party, and maybe even for himself.

msnbc.msn.com: ...
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Weiner's racy online escapades were a gift to the New York tabloids. The New York Post labeled the affair "The Battle of the Bulge" and called on Weiner to "Fall on Your Sword." ...
I sincerely hope the help he gets will be of benefit, for his sake, and for his family's.
post #24 of 30
I'm sure it was affecting his wife's political career as well, and I doubt very much that Hillary wanted to be linked by 6 degrees of separation to his scandal. So that likely had a great deal to do with it.
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Oh no! Only one income now.......I just hope their cat(s) gets the same amount of food, veterinary care, etc!!
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Oh well, good riddance, even if it is for all the wrong reasons IMO.
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Guess he and his wife, who just returned from overseas last night, had a long heart-to-heart conversation and she needed this to go away for her and her baby's health. (?)
Or the fact that she is in politics, the name is very easy for the public to remember the scandal by, and its an embarrassment that she can't afford. Its not like he was going to win reelection anyway.
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I'm glad he's getting help. Pornography is addictive, and I think there must be a brain chemical that requires more and more sensual input that can cause out-of-control actions which are enabled by the easy access of the 21st century technology.
Pretty sure its called testosterone, and every male has that chemical in abundance. Most males though suffer ego-bruising upon repeated rejection, and any attempts have to be whole-hearted w/ still limited success rate if you're middle-aged and up. But add fortune and fame, and that changes things entirely, which is why it seems that every rich and famous male that is at least moderately attractive suffers from this "horrible sex addiction".

I have no delusions that I am a nice and faithful guy mainly because circumstances reward me and allow me to be so, and if you threw several 0's on the end of my bank savings account and gave me a lofty title with lots of public exposure I'd be as susceptible as every rock star or celebrity. Remember, for every one you catch, there are a hundred others you don't (even someone w/ as much paparazi as Schwarzeneger went a decade top-secret) and how many rich and famous celebrity males do you know that haven't been busted at least once?
post #27 of 30
BTW, I didn't mean to imply that only guys "cheat" though. Atwood & Schwartz published in 2002 in the Journal of Couple & Relationship Therapy show that 45-55% of married women have extramarital affairs while 50-60% of married men engage in extramarital sex at some time or another during their relationship.

Men are more likely to engage in physical cheating while remaining emotionally faithful and visa versa though, but surveys indicate that emotional affairs are more likely to break up a relationship since there is more significance to the act, with physical cheating often amounting to nothing more than a form of masturbation if the partner is random w/ little communication occurring. OK, shutting up now!!!
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John F. Kennedy had women on the side all the time, and no one seemed to care, so when exactly did this political soap opera gossip fest start?
Just thought I would point out that not only did JFK have women on the side, the press and media helped him sneak women in and out of the white house. The problem that Weiner is having is that there are pictures. Its one thing where they have affairs, go to prostitutes, etc., but usually there aren't unsavory pictures floating around. However, it seems as though sexting has become quite common these days. I never could understand how people figure they can send naughty pictures over the internet and have them remain private, but I wouldn't be doing it even if I could be guaranteed they would remain private. I would say the bigger problem is him lying and trying to cover it up. I realize he panicked, but if he had stood up at the time, said yeah it was him and he realized he had a problem, I would have more respect for him.
post #29 of 30
I think the pressure he received from his own party was done to set precedence against the hypocracy rampant within the GOP ranks. The same republicans demanding his resignation were the ones that ignored the charges against Diaper Dave (Vitter), who hired prostitutes to dress him in diapers and spank him. And here I thought that hiring a prostitute was illegal, while texting dirty pictures was not. And do you remember how Newt attacked Clinton during the Monica scandal when he was having an extramarital affair of his own at the time.

It's OK if the GOP does it, but it's horrible when a democrat does it. It shows that the democrats have a higher standard of decency than the GOP. Just my opinion.
post #30 of 30
Don't kid yourself, politicians are politicians.

Republicans do the exact same thing as Democrats when someone becomes a political liability, they do whatever is politically advantageous to them or the party as a whole.

It was a republican that accused Vitter of hiring prostitutes before the news came out, and while republican senator Brownback said he should be censured when it came out, the party as a whole was forgiving since the Democrat governor would have appointed a democrat to replace him until the next election and they felt they couldn't afford that loss at the time.

Its all politics as usual. When someone becomes a political liability, more than they are an asset, they are burned at the stake. And there is as much corruption and sexual scandals on the left as on the right. All you can do is vote for the guy thats going to vote on your behalf closest to your beliefs and ideology, but just don't blindly trust them or expect them to be saints or you're more likely than not to be disappointed.
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