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post #31 of 53
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This is a great video by CNN showing that they are finding nothing so far other than awesomeness about Governor Palin.
You obviously idolize her. I won't hold that against you! We'll just agree to disagree on what a ding-a-ling I think she is.
post #32 of 53
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You obviously idolize her. I won't hold that against you! We'll just agree to disagree on what a ding-a-ling I think she is.
It is always easy (and natural) to think that those who disagree with us are stupid or evil. Decades of experience has led me to believe that any statement along those lines is prima facie evidence of a lack of real understanding and critical thought.

I don't like her, either, but I'll bet it's not for the reasons you don't like her.
post #33 of 53
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You obviously idolize her. I won't hold that against you! We'll just agree to disagree on what a ding-a-ling I think she is.
You probably don't realize how biased and out of context the coverage is, honestly. The president makes way more and way more serious misstatements and verbal gaffes but they aren't considered newsworthy. That was a quote from her press secretary or someone in the video btw.

I do wish media outlets would use such intensity of their vast resources on more urgent stories than trying to destroy a private citizen, but I don't idolize anyone.
post #34 of 53
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It is always easy (and natural) to think that those who disagree with us are stupid or evil.
Ummm. I never said anyone was stupid or evil because they disagreed with me.

I said I think Palin is a ding-a-ling.

Elayman's posts indicate that she really likes Palin.

I said we'll have to agree to disagree.

So please don't try and put words or meaning in my typing that aren't there.
post #35 of 53
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You probably don't realize how biased and out of context the coverage is, honestly. The president makes way more and way more serious misstatements and verbal gaffes but they aren't considered newsworthy. That was a quote from her press secretary or someone in the video btw.

I do wish media outlets would use such intensity on vast resources on more urgent stories than trying to destroy a private citizen, but I don't idolize anyone.
I'm not comparing her to current or past presidents. I'm basing my opinion on what she says and how she reacts while on camera, when compared to the average person. Nothing more.
post #36 of 53
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I'm not comparing her to current or past presidents. I'm basing my opinion on what she says and how she reacts while on camera, when compared to the average person. Nothing more.
I actually don't really like Palin as much as I really dislike the current situation in this country and have come to believe in the need for desperate ways to respond to a desperate crisis that were inconceivable even several months ago.


Last Sunday this interview was frankly also the first time I thought she was truly a serious contender.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/chris-wal...ous-candidate/
post #37 of 53
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All I see is a video of a woman talking about the interview, not an interview with Palin herself.

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Ok, I did a google search and found the video on YouTube. I watched 13 minutes of the interview and couldn't take it anymore.

I do admit that she came across as more professional than I've ever seen her on camera. However, there is something about her that just grates on my nerves: a large part is her voice I think. There is no way I could sit there and listen to her talk for any length of time.

And while she seemingly does know her politics, and I would hope so having been a mayor and a Governor, that still doesn't make her "smart" when it comes to other things (the basics that we learn at an elemental level in school, that even a 5th grader could answer), as is evidenced by her numerous and sometimes huge, blunders.

A serious candidate for President? I don't think so.

However, I do live in Canada, so whether she runs or not or gets elected or not, really doesn't affect me all that much up here. It's our PM who would have to be meeting and talking with her, not me. And the US doesn't really care what us Canadians do, so long as we help protect the mutual border.
post #38 of 53
Well, you should know about the voice...it's the voice of every Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Canadian stereotype in any joke ever made by any comedian. Tune in to A Prairie Home Companion.

And yeah, it's annoying. But she didn't get to be governor of a state without some very real skills. The very fact that the left hates her so much (funny position for those who support a woman's power of choice and a woman's choice of power) is a clue that they realize she's not the ditz she's frequently called by them.

No, I can't imagine listening to her for four years. On the other hand, listening to our current President can be pretty annoying, too. And every other President we've ever had.
post #39 of 53
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I'm not comparing her to current or past presidents. I'm basing my opinion on what she says and how she reacts while on camera, when compared to the average person. Nothing more.
You should know that what the press chooses to put on the air has a lot to do with our perception of people. Remember Gerald Ford falling down all the time? Almost completely a press fabrication. The George W. smirk? They might have taken 500 pictures to get one like that, and Mr. Obama's smirk is just as annoying...but not as prevalent in the press.

Did you know that the famous "potatoe" misspelling by Dan Quayle was how it was spelled on the flashcard he was reading from? Is it funnier that he followed the card, or that a school teacher made the card?
post #40 of 53
Personally, I don’t like her usual voice either. It is abrasive. Too fast paced and high pitched. Don't mind the colloquialisms as much. The current speech pattern is much better. More serious toned and easier to focus on content instead of delivery with greater national range. I don’t like to hear people chirping (like a bird) excessively. We’re looking for a president here. To the extent it is even relevant to a candidate's effectiveness, she is now speaking in shorter, crisper sentences using her diaphragm. It also looks to me like she has toned down the hair style as well.

Although in all fairness, I think in general political speeches are tougher for women than men. Their voices are higher of course, and tend to sound shrill when they try to get the volume up to the level of a stump speech.

So she’s working on a softer, less nasally voice, and lo and behold, suddenly people who didn’t take her seriously, reconsider (like Chris Wallace).

I wouldn't necessarily support Palin but I would vote for her in a second against the current president who is presiding over a social catastrophe. As for Obama's competence, I have seen nothing at all from him that shows anything beyond average, if even that.
post #41 of 53
From someone who used to be from Alaska, she was a good governor. Palin went up against the oil companies time after time like a friggen pit bull and they backed down. She really went after corruption which is why I figure so many are against her now. They stay behind the scenes and egg others on IMO. She stopped all the pork projects. Not bad for the once winner of "Miss Wasilla." Her dad, well he is amazing. He was a teacher for three of stepkids and he had a magic quality that kids were drawn to.

Do I want her to run for president? No, I was disappointed when she quit as governor. She couldn't take the personal pressure on her life so if she was president, I wonder-can you quit that office too? But do I admire her for what she has done for Alaska? You bet I do- but I will say, she does need a makeover- that hair-do went out in the 60's!

People can go ahead and bash away- but if you had cameras following your every move- you too at one point would look stupid or inexperienced at any given moment.
post #42 of 53
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I wouldn't necessarily support Palin but I would vote for her in a second against the current president who is presiding over a social catastrophe. As for Obama's competence, I have seen nothing at all from him that shows anything beyond average, if even that.
In all fairness, Obama has only been in office for 2.5 years. The country was in a seriously sad economical state when he took office. A large part of the debt IMHO can be placed at the feet of George Bush (4 years) and his son, George W. Bush (8 years) who IMHO were both war mongerersl Rather than fixing their own country through much needed social programs, feeding and housing their homeless and educating their children and young adults so they are qualified for more than welfare or low paying jobs, they funneled 10's of billions into war efforts. The word "bankrupt" was already being mentioned often when George W. Bush was in office. And I seem to even remember talk back then that the US's credit wasn't in such a good state then either. Yet he continued to promote war.

It took the USA years to get into the situation it is in today, or even as it was 2.5 years ago. You can hardly expect 1 man to fix it all in 2.5 years. When he took over office there were already 2 wars over seas that the US was fighting. Those wars saw billions and billions of tax payer dollars literally being burned up trying to rescue the "world." When your country is in such a dire state, the last thing you need to do is go around starting up world wars, which is exactly what the entire Bush administration did. They took an already teetering country and it's economy and worsened it by trying to play saviour.

Like I said, I'm in Canada and what the USA does doesn't impact me directly at this point (IE: no bombs being dropped on my house), but what the USA does does impact our country and our economy through trade imports/exports and ultimately prices for products as companies try to pass along either the savings or increased costs. However, I firmly believe in Obama and I think given some time he can at least make a bit of a dent in the deficit. But it will be generations before the USA digs themselves out of the hole that they are in and that they have been in for years.

They need to scale back war efforts unless those wars are being fought on their own soil and take that money and put it where it's most beneficial: into social systems such as education and healthcare.

They need to raise state taxes in order to generate revenue. I understand that some states don't even pay tax? Alaska? Texas? Is this because they are oil states? If so, why aren't they paying taxes?! Those private oil companies are making billions. Some of that money should be going to pay down the economy, not lining the oil companies pocket books.

Like I said, it will be generations and many presidents before that deficit is even at a manageable level.

The USA government is very partisan, and it would help greatly if everyone got on the same page and worked together instead of against each other. Obama can only do so much because there are others also involved who can't get beyond their own personal views and work towards the common goal (get rid of the deficit), that they tie things up or even quash ideas.
post #43 of 53
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In all fairness, Obama has only been in office for 2.5 years. The country was in a seriously sad economical state when he took office. A large part of the debt IMHO can be placed at the feet of George Bush (4 years) and his son, George W. Bush (8 years) who IMHO were both war mongerers rather than fixing their own country through much needed social programs, feeding and housing their homeless and educating their children and young adults so they are qualified for more than welfare or low paying jobs, they funneled 10's of billions into war efforts. The word "bankrupt" was already being mentioned often when George W. Bush was in office. And I seem to even remember talk back then that the US's credit wasn't in such a good state then either.
The more salient point is that Obama acts like he knows everything. From Day One, he been cocksure about how to get us out of the economic ditch. In every major relevant speech, it's the same consistent message: We know what to do and the Republicans don’t. No president “runs” the U.S. economy, but this president talks like he does more than any I can remember. And yet, none of his economic promises or predictions has panned out.

The Obama worshipper's "Blame it on Bush" defense just won’t work anymore.

Depending on who you believe and whose estimate you go by, Obama's profligate spending has added anywhere from $4 trillion to $14 trillion to the national debt to finance the deficit. And now he wants to throw more "stimulus billions" at the failing economy he himself created in order to boost his dwindling reelection chances.

But when Bush entered office, national debt was at $5.7 trillion. When Bush left office, national debt was at $9.9 trillion. As of 2010, national debt in just 2 years under Obama was at $13.5 trillion with something like $65 trillion in unfunded mandates (Medicare, Social Security, etc - an increase of $5.3 trillion in 2010).

The scariest part is that these deficits are based on Obama's braindead economic advisors' unrealistic budgeting assumptions; the real fiscal outlook is much bleaker. They attack the “irresponsibility of past” deficits hoping nobody will notice Obama's flops.
post #44 of 53
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The more salient point is that Obama acts like he knows everything. From Day One, he been cocksure about how to get us out of the economic ditch. In every major relevant speech, it's the same consistent message: We know what to do and the Republicans don’t.
Go back and listen to that interview with Palin. She is also "cocksure" about how to get the USA out of the economic nightmare it is facing. Actually, go listen to any of the people involved in the USA politics and they all have their own "cocksure" idea how to go about it.

Like I said, it's very partisan. Very fractured. Nothing will ever get done until all parties get on the same page and work together instead of against each other.

The reason things aren't panning out as you say, is because he has a whole lot of old sticks in the mud who have been in the senate for decades and who are unwilling to change because they are living in the past. The same will be for every President because they can't just push through their budgets. Every President will run up against opposition by those who feel that they have their own ideas which are better.
post #45 of 53
Whether Palin has a polarizing style and whether it is in the direction of good or ill is up for debate. I'm not defending all of her tax and growth policies, the results of which which have admittedly been somewhat inconsistent. What is indisputable is that she had a record of governor of leaving the state with a large budget surplus.

Obama in contrast has devoted most of his attention not to job creation but to re-engineering key sectors of the US economy, health care, finance, energy, etc regardless of the economic or employment consequences - which has brought us nearly to the brink of collapse. While the economic crisis was not of his making, Obama's unfocused policies and spendthrift ways have only had the effect of taking a bad situation and making it worse. I'm all for compromise but not when that involves government spending we don't have, whether financed through taxes or borrowing, which actually destroys more jobs than it creates.
post #46 of 53
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Obama in contrast has devoted most of his attention not to job creation but to re-engineering key sectors of the US economy, health care, finance, energy, etc
Your healthcare there seriously needs to be restructured. So many people do not have access to proper healthcare, a basic human right, because they can't afford it. Having a baby, or even having to have your appendix removed can lead to personal bankruptcy for many people. I cry buckets when I read posts on this site of how people are sick and need medical help but they can't get it because they don't have insurance or the money to pay for the medical bill. That sickens me. The USA isn't a 3rd world country. It's a powerful industrialized nation that doesn't know how to look after it's own citizens' basic needs.

It's about time they got a President in there that sees this and is working to make a much needed change in that regard.

The money being spent on war efforts in other countries would be better served if funneled into revamping some of the issues that you mentioned, especially the healthcare.
post #47 of 53
I feel kind of like the oddball here. I have no issues with Palin personally, I think she is quite pretty, obviously a good mother, and I think she would be lots and lots of fun to sit down with and have a beer or 12.

I just think her political thinking is a little out there toward the extreme.
post #48 of 53
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I feel kind of like the oddball here. I have no issues with Palin personally, I think she is quite pretty, obviously a good mother, and I think she would be lots and lots of fun to sit down with and have a beer or 12.

I just think her political thinking is a little out there toward the extreme.
I have no issue with her as a person in general. I'm sure she is quite nice and fun in a social situation.
post #49 of 53
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Here is an interesting news video

http://video.ca.msn.com/watch/video/...en-ca-infopane

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Msnbc political analyst Richard Wolffe and Daily Beast contributor Mark McKinnon debate whether former President George Bush set America on a path toward economic injustice, inequality and bankruptcy.
post #50 of 53
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I feel kind of like the oddball here. I have no issues with Palin personally, I think she is quite pretty, obviously a good mother, and I think she would be lots and lots of fun to sit down with and have a beer or 12.

I just think her political thinking is a little out there toward the extreme.
Definitely. She is a true believer and a nice person. If people would bother to pay attention they'd notice that Palin is also absolutely fearless when it comes to specifically articulating policies - even when they are perceived as unpopular. And her views on the economy are certainly more orthodox than Obama who doesn't even have a deficit reduction plan. Honest to the point of self destruction (check !).

She just needs to project executive competence, not look like a cable news anchor wearing extensions (whether she does or not).
post #51 of 53
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Definitely. She is a true believer and a nice person. If people would bother to pay attention they'd notice that Palin is also absolutely fearless when it comes to specifically articulating policies - even when they are perceived as unpopular. And her views on the economy are certainly more orthodox than Obama who doesn't even have a deficit reduction plan. Honest to the point of self destruction (check !).

She just needs to project executive competence, not look like a cable news anchor wearing extensions (whether she does or not).
Honestly, I don't see why, politically, he needs a plan. He's merely playing it exactly the same way the Republicans are on health care. Their "plan". Repeal and replace with...well, something else. Obama's plan on the economy? Defeat the Republican plan and replace it with...well, something else.

Quid Pro Quo.
post #52 of 53
Like one of Obama's own aides told Ryan Lizza of the New Yorker in foreign affairs the president favors “leading from behind.”

On domestic policy, it’s the same, only worse. The traditional practice is for presidents to draft their own legislation and press Congress on ratification. But this president delegates everything to the Democrats in Congress - even his top priorities (economic stimulus, health care, cap and trade, Wall Street reform etc). Leaving Obama free to advocate a vague position and attack the opposition with little or no accountability.

With all the vacations, golfing, WH parties, fundraisers etc. who has time for leading, eh?
post #53 of 53
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Like one of Obama's own aides told Ryan Lizza of the New Yorker in foreign affairs the president favors “leading from behind.â€

On domestic policy, it’s the same, only worse. The traditional practice is for presidents to draft their own legislation and press Congress on ratification. But this president delegates everything to the Democrats in Congress - even his top priorities (economic stimulus, health care, cap and trade, Wall Street reform etc). Leaving Obama free to advocate a vague position and attack the opposition with little or no accountability.

With all the vacations, golfing, WH parties, fundraisers etc. who has time for leading, eh?
Actually, that sounds like a good idea.

And it's change, just like we were promised.
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