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post #1 of 205
6/2/11 at 9:34am
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Has anybody else here been keeping up with this? It hits home for me because I was a neglected and abused kid, and would have died at the hands of my mother had it not been for my oldest sister. My heart hurts when I hear about abused children, and I really want to know who killed sweet innocent little Caylee Anthony!

The big twist in the story: Casey's defense claims that Caylee accidently died in the swimming pool, Casey and her father covered it up, and she lied because she's afraid of her father since molested her when she was a child. None of the witnesses or evidence so far support this theory.

Human nature says that innocent people don't cover up an accidental death! They do, however, often try to cover up what they've done and blame it on someone else.

Are you keeping up with the trial?
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post #2 of 205
6/2/11 at 9:37am
I'm not interested. It's been too much of a circus. Her mother or someone her mother knew killed her and I have no idea why the legal system in Florida has been so slow and incompetent.
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post #3 of 205
6/2/11 at 9:55am
I'm keeping up with it. RIP little Caylee.

My heart breaks for the grandmother, Cindy Anthony. She and her husband have been dragged through the mud by the defense. That is a gross understatement, by the way. They are clearly still greiving and Cindy is barely able to testify, she is still in so much pain.
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post #4 of 205
6/2/11 at 10:14am
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Originally Posted by SwampWitch View Post
The big twist in the story: Casey's defense claims that Caylee accidently died in the swimming pool, Casey and her father covered it up, and she lied because she's afraid of her father since molested her when she was a child. None of the witnesses or evidence so far support this theory.
The bigger twist is that she's claiming her dad and her brother abused her and helped in the coverup.

But those were in the opening statement. Don't expect to see any of that actually come into the trial as evidence. It was just lawyerly water muddling.
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post #5 of 205
6/2/11 at 10:33am
She killed her daughter. She's s sociopath. She showed no signs of concern and kept the fact that her child was missing for a month? Sociopath! She killed the girl and then hid it.

She deserves the death penalty!
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post #6 of 205
6/2/11 at 12:54pm
I have been keeping up with it, and while I'm hesitant to move from my original point of view, it is looking more and more like she's guilty of murder. I want to wait and hear all the facts before I decide for sure, though.

My original opinion is that she's guilty of gross negligence and idiocy for certain, and murder at the worst.

What I don't understand is why you would take your child and hide her in the woods if she fell in the pool and drowned? That's a horrible tragedy, it's unthinkable- but that's all it is, a horrible, horrible tragedy that was ultimately an accident. Why on Earth would you put your child in the trunk of your car, then in the woods, and then go out and party like it's 1999?

Yeah... it's really starting to look like she's guilty as sin.
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post #7 of 205
6/2/11 at 1:16pm
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What I don't understand is why you would take your child and hide her in the woods if she fell in the pool and drowned? That's a horrible tragedy, it's unthinkable- but that's all it is, a horrible, horrible tragedy that was ultimately an accident. Why on Earth would you put your child in the trunk of your car, then in the woods, and then go out and party like it's 1999?
It's a ridiculous story, but all you need is one or two people on the jury willing to consider it raises "reasonable doubt".Remember O.J. Simpson's jury?
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post #8 of 205
6/2/11 at 1:47pm
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It's a ridiculous story, but all you need is one or two people on the jury willing to consider it raises "reasonable doubt".Remember O.J. Simpson's jury?
Yup. That's what the defense is banking on, regardless of who else is hurt.
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post #9 of 205
6/2/11 at 4:28pm
If she drowned in the pool wouldn't there be water in her lungs? They did an autopsy didn't they? I believe she killed her daughter. Her little body was found in an area where Casey used to bury her pets. Is that a coincidence? I really think that it's disgusting that she is accusing her father and brother of molestation.!!! Is that suppose to be some kind of excuse? I don't believe it happened and think it's a slap in the face of real victims and survivors. I feel for the grandparents and that poor sweet child. RIP Caylee
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post #10 of 205
6/2/11 at 6:22pm
What I heard is that she and her father found Caylee dead in the pool. Then she her father tried to cover it up.
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post #11 of 205
6/2/11 at 6:26pm
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Originally Posted by Bellaandme View Post
If she drowned in the pool wouldn't there be water in her lungs? They did an autopsy didn't they? I believe she killed her daughter. Her little body was found in an area where Casey used to bury her pets. Is that a coincidence? I really think that it's disgusting that she is accusing her father and brother of molestation.!!! Is that suppose to be some kind of excuse? I don't believe it happened and think it's a slap in the face of real victims and survivors. I feel for the grandparents and that poor sweet child. RIP Caylee
By the time they found her, I think her lungs were deteriorated/decomposed- they just said they found "skeletal remains". I could be wrong on that point, though, so keep an eye out just in case!
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post #12 of 205
6/4/11 at 10:13am
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Yeah, all they found of the the little girl was bones and hair (on the duct tape).

Today an FBI hair analyst testified that the hair found in Casey's car trunk was that of a dead body. Also, more testimony that her car smelled of "human decomposition." I can't imagine... with the Florida heat...
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post #13 of 205
6/5/11 at 8:10am
This reminds me of the case of Susan Smith who stated that she was carjacked by a "black man" who drove away with her 2 little boys. Her ex-husband stood by her until it came out that she purposely rolled and submerged the car in the lake with her little boys still strapped into their car seats. All because her boyfriend didn't like the kids.

I think the Mom killed poor Caylee and is trying to drag her father into it.
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post #14 of 205
6/5/11 at 8:42pm
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Originally Posted by SwampWitch View Post
her car smelled of "human decomposition." I can't imagine... with the Florida heat...
There is no mistaking the smell of a decomposing body, even if you haven't smelled it before. It's hugely sickly sweet to the point it's nauseating, with a well used kitty litter undertone to it. And once you have smelled it, you never forget it.

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This reminds me of the case of Susan Smith who stated that she was carjacked by a "black man" who drove away with her 2 little boys. Her ex-husband stood by her until it came out that she purposely rolled and submerged the car in the lake with her little boys still strapped into their car seats. All because her boyfriend didn't like the kids.

I think the Mom killed poor Caylee and is trying to drag her father into it.
Yep! I never believed the car jacking story. Smith was too composed, never shed a tear and looked like a bad actress on the news.

I also believe that Tot Mom did this all on her own because she wanted to start life anew with a boy friend.
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post #15 of 205
6/5/11 at 9:17pm
....and there are how many people, all over the world, who are competent & able to care for a child, yet cannot have any of their own. Why not let one of them adopt your child so they can be raised the way they deserve to be??? Instead some people torture, abuse, & murder their children.
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post #16 of 205
6/5/11 at 10:12pm
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Originally Posted by white cat lover View Post
....and there are how many people, all over the world, who are competent & able to care for a child, yet cannot have any of their own. Why not let one of them adopt your child so they can be raised the way they deserve to be??? Instead some people torture, abuse, & murder their children.
That's really the crux of the matter. If she didn't want to raise her child, there were certainly alternatives.
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post #17 of 205
6/5/11 at 10:51pm
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I read that human nature is for us not to hurt each other. The only way abuse can happen is if a person thinks someone else (or a group of people) are sub-human.

It makes a lot of sense when you think about it - slaves were mistreated and killed because some thought of them as sub-human, same thing with Hitler and Jewish people, you can't do that to people if you have empathy. My mother felt her children were there to do work for her and make her look good, nothing else, she thinks we've never had our own feelings, or dreams.

It seems to me that Casey had a similar attitude - Caylee was just a kid, not really a human, more of a nuisance. She also felt that her parents cherished Caylee too much, imo, and she knew she could hurt her mother through Caylee. She was right about that last part.
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post #18 of 205
6/6/11 at 5:11am
This story reminds me of when I was little and I was scared of monsters in my closet or whatever, and my parents told me not to worry, that the only thing I should ever be scared of is other people who are unkind to me. People really can be the worst kind of monsters.

I think Casey definitely had to have killed Caylee, if she didn't there has to be some explanation that logically makes sense- and what her defense is saying makes no sense logically. And, even if her defense's claims were true- she is still a severely deranged person, even a history of abuse is no excuse for covering up the death of her own daughter, and moving the body around in her car, if it was really an accident. No normal person does that, and I have no problem seeing her go to jail for life for doing something this stupid, and she is a sociopath anyway if she shows no emotion about any of this.
About the death penalty I just won't comment because I don't believe in it.
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post #19 of 205
6/6/11 at 12:00pm
I do believe that Casey is guilty as sin. We all know by now what a huge liar she is and a party girl partying even after her little girl was 'missing'. I hope this girl is found guilty and gets the maximum allowed in Florida.

Today a professional in forensics science said the smell in the car was definitely from a human decomposing body. I have it on TV right now and usually listen to Nancy Grace at night to see what I missed.

I think the whole family is dysfunctional, don't know who to believe. This should be easy for the jury, guilty whether for murder which I hope or a lesser charge but I hope she spends many, many years in jail and maybe on death row.
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post #20 of 205
6/6/11 at 1:17pm
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There is no mistaking the smell of a decomposing body, even if you haven't smelled it before. It's hugely sickly sweet to the point it's nauseating, with a well used kitty litter undertone to it. And once you have smelled it, you never forget it.
I remember a time I came home & some meat/fat hadn't completely gone down the drain the night before. I had never smelt it before but I knew without a doubt that it was rotting meat. I told that to a friend of mine (talk about a bad day...coming home to the smell of rotting flesh!) and she scoffed at me saying "How could you know what that smells like just right off like that?" Well, it happened to her not even a week later. She agreed - even if you've never smelled it before you just know what that smell is.

I've only smelled it with animal flesh, so I can't say for sure that you would know the difference between rotting groceries & decomposing human remains. I can say for sure that you know the difference between rotting produce, rotting cooked food & rotting flesh.

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Originally Posted by white cat lover View Post
....and there are how many people, all over the world, who are competent & able to care for a child, yet cannot have any of their own. Why not let one of them adopt your child so they can be raised the way they deserve to be??? Instead some people torture, abuse, & murder their children.
That is truly the saddest thing, isn't it? How many couples try and try and can't conceive? How many gay couples desperately want a baby but are told they can't adopt? And yet there are people like this who give birth to children without even wanting the child. So, so sad...
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post #21 of 205
6/6/11 at 2:54pm
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I think the whole family is dysfunctional, don't know who to believe.
That's exactly what the defense wants us to believe.
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post #22 of 205
6/8/11 at 6:02am
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And yet there are people like this who give birth to children without even wanting the child. So, so sad...
My mom always said that just because you are able to give birth to a child has no relevance on your ability to raise that child.

She's guilty as sin.
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post #23 of 205
6/8/11 at 5:01pm
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Originally Posted by Momofmany View Post
My mom always said that just because you are able to give birth to a child has no relevance on your ability to raise that child.
Even as a child I thought that they should be able to put a baby switch somewhere inside you so stupid people and people who just plain shouldn't have children can't accidentally reproduce. They still haven't invented that darn switch!

I just don't understand how so many of the analysts are saying that the prosecution's case is "prepousterous." There's a guy who comes on Shepard Smith on Fox as a defense attorney and although he's passionate I just don't understand what he's talking about! He's saying that Casey is either brilliant or stupid depending on the day of the trial and when anything is brought up that she planned it or thought of how to get away with it (i.e. the car was stinking with a dead body in the trunk so she may have thrown a bag of trash in the car as a way to explain away the stink). You don't have to be a criminal mastermind to think of some of this stuff!

I agree that she is guilty as sin, but I really do think it's going to come down to what degree she's guilty. Was it an accident? I don't buy the swimming pool farse, but if she meant to knock her out with chloroform while she went clubbing and something went wrong - that isn't the same as 1st degree murder. But then...why the duct tape? I try to give her the benefit and I keep coming back to the tape. You don't tape the head of a dead body - there's no reason to.
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post #24 of 205
6/9/11 at 4:41am
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Even as a child I thought that they should be able to put a baby switch somewhere inside you so stupid people and people who just plain shouldn't have children can't accidentally reproduce. They still haven't invented that darn switch!

I just don't understand how so many of the analysts are saying that the prosecution's case is "prepousterous." There's a guy who comes on Shepard Smith on Fox as a defense attorney and although he's passionate I just don't understand what he's talking about! He's saying that Casey is either brilliant or stupid depending on the day of the trial and when anything is brought up that she planned it or thought of how to get away with it (i.e. the car was stinking with a dead body in the trunk so she may have thrown a bag of trash in the car as a way to explain away the stink). You don't have to be a criminal mastermind to think of some of this stuff!

I agree that she is guilty as sin, but I really do think it's going to come down to what degree she's guilty. Was it an accident? I don't buy the swimming pool farse, but if she meant to knock her out with chloroform while she went clubbing and something went wrong - that isn't the same as 1st degree murder. But then...why the duct tape? I try to give her the benefit and I keep coming back to the tape. You don't tape the head of a dead body - there's no reason to.
I think your theory is the most likely, although I don't think we will ever find out what really happened. I think the duct tape could be
a) She felt guilty for accidently killing her and wanted to keep anything from getting in her mouth after she was buried. (Sad and gruesome thought - I know.) Remember, there was a heart sticker over her lips too. Or
b) She knew she had to cover it up somehow, but didn't have a plan, so she added the duct tape thinking it might make it look like someone else murdered her.
They are both pretty sketchy, but that's all I could come up with.
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post #25 of 205
6/9/11 at 6:11am
Maybe she taped her mouth, put her in the trunk and was hoping she would go partying and Caylee won't bother her, not realizing she will suffocate inside of the trunk?
But if that's all true, or it was some other accident of the like, how stupid do you have to be not to just tell the truth from the beginning and fight for the minimum sentence rather than making up ridiculous stories while facing the death penalty?? That's what's so confusing to me!
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post #26 of 205
6/9/11 at 10:23am
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Maybe she taped her mouth, put her in the trunk and was hoping she would go partying and Caylee won't bother her, not realizing she will suffocate inside of the trunk?
But if that's all true, or it was some other accident of the like, how stupid do you have to be not to just tell the truth from the beginning and fight for the minimum sentence rather than making up ridiculous stories while facing the death penalty?? That's what's so confusing to me!
In Florida, aggravated child abuse (as you described above) combined with the child's death can warrant the death penalty.
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post #27 of 205
6/9/11 at 11:57am
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But if that's all true, or it was some other accident of the like, how stupid do you have to be not to just tell the truth from the beginning and fight for the minimum sentence rather than making up ridiculous stories while facing the death penalty?? That's what's so confusing to me!
That's because we're sane people who wouldn't do such a thing... The mother has major mental issues, whatever they may be, and did not have the ability to think straight at the time. Whatever happened, she should not be allowed to function as part of society again.
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post #28 of 205
6/9/11 at 3:31pm
Casey is not only a huge liar but an actress also. They showed pics to the jury today of her baby's skull and she put a tissue to her eyes, funny tho you never see actual tears. She also said she wasn't feeling well and the judge let the jury go at around 3pm. Yeah right, of course she wasn't feeling well after seeing again how she left her innocent baby to die. I would like to choke this b---- myself. I hope they nail her for murder one and she gets the death penalty or at least life without parole. Let's see how much partying she does behind bars.
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post #29 of 205
6/12/11 at 11:20am
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Here's my theory: Casey wanted to party and didn't want her mother to have Caylee (after big fights where Cindy said she was going to take Caylee away, unfit mother, etc.), so she used either/or chloroform or "Zanny" (Xanax) to knock out the little girl, and she kept her in the trunk while she partied.

Something went wrong, and Caylee died. Casey knew what she had been doing was wrong, so she went to the house to try to bury the body. She realized that wouldn't work so she put the baby in the trunk and drove around for several days. After the car started stinking, she went to the house and got stuff to try to make it look like Caylee was abducted and killed. She taped her head and dumped the body, she abandoned her car saying it was out of gas, and tried to blame someone else for all of it. She's still doing that evidently.

That's what I think, anyway.
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post #30 of 205
6/12/11 at 11:34am
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I also would not discount the possibility of Casey "losing it" with Caylee and killing her in a rage, then trying to cover it all up. Either way, she's guilty of the death of her little girl. IMO.
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