Cats and Water Part II

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Kittica started a thread with a question regarding her cat's water intake. I decided to do some quick research on the topic and found all kinds of different opinions on the subject. BUT, almost every site had the same common theme ie; cats are wired more to ingesting moisture in their food rather than actually drinking water. Cats on an all dry diet need fresh water at their disposal all of the time. Okay, so we all probably know this much. I still can't find the "exact" answer, or formula, I was looking for. I searched all of my trusted sites and only found vague references to calorie count vs ounces of water etc.

One site suggested, "For a 10-pound cat, I would say about 9 ounces is average." Sounds like a lot but probably not if the cat's main food source is wet food.

I don't know if this will help anyone but the info may be useful to some.

Here is the best info I came up with so far - From http://www.vetinfo.com/catroutine.html

"Most animals require approximately the same amount of water intake as calorie intake on a daily basis. To determine the necessary calorie intake for a cat, the formula is 1.2 x the resting energy requirement (RER), which is roughly 1.2 x 70 calories/kg of body weight. Using this formula, an 11 lb cat (5kg) would need 420 calories per day and therefore about 420ml of water. Some water is obtained through the food and the amount varies by composition of the food (canned food might be 80% water and dry food 5% water, for instance). The variability in water need based on diet can be very large and is a source of confusion. Cats being fed dry food are reported to require approximately 2.5 x the volume of dry food for water intake. So if the cat is eating 1cup of dry food per day it requires approximately 2.5 cups of water per day. Cats being fed canned food can sometimes nearly meet their water intake requirements from the food alone.

With these things in mind, the answer to your question from a clinical standpoint comes down to this. If you are observing an increase in your cat's water intake and everything else in his or her life is about the same, there is a really good chance that the problem is polydipsia or a real increase in the need to take in water. This should be reported to your vet and screening tests to rule out the most common problems leading to excessive water intake considered. A urine sample can sometimes rule out diabetes and kidney failure, two of the most common causes. Routine blood chemistry examination and cell counts can help rule out liver failure, kidney failure, diabetes, hypercalcemia and polycythemia as potential causes."
 

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That seems high doesn't it? I don't know that most cats need that many calories, 420 ml is over 14 ounces, my 10 pound senior cat eats about 6 canned or raw and as far as I can tell doesn't touch her water dish anymore although she urinates more than she ever did on kibble. I can't imagine a cat eating a half cup a kibble drinking over a cup a water daily.
 
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Originally Posted by GoingPostal

That seems high doesn't it? I don't know that most cats need that many calories, 420 ml is over 14 ounces, my 10 pound senior cat eats about 6 canned or raw and as far as I can tell doesn't touch her water dish anymore although she urinates more than she ever did on kibble. I can't imagine a cat eating a half cup a kibble drinking over a cup a water daily.
I thought it was pretty high too. Kibble contains about 5% moisture if you want to figure that into it. I just can not find a definite chart or anything that even suggests a "guideline" for cat nutrition that states anything like, "an average adult cat weighing 8 pounds requires Xoz. of water per day". I've even check the vet and webmd sites and only get vague answers. I'm going to ask my vet. Maybe he can point me in the right direction for this one. He is really active in dog and cat rescue and has a great deal of knowledge about nutrition.
 

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I guess that if I wanted to know how much fluid a cat needs, I'd ask the vet how much IV/subq fluid they would give to a cat who wasn't drinking at all. Not sure if that translates to how much they should drink, but is probably a good starting place anyway.

I had Mooch on an all-canned diet for awhile. He was eating two 5.5-oz cans a day (he's a big cat--23 pounds, and I was trying to help him lose weight slowly). He did not drink ANY water while on the all-canned diet. So if he was eating 11 ounces of canned food a day, at 78% moisture that would be equal to 8.58 ounces of water, if I figured that right. So I guess I know that Mooch needs, at most, 8.58 ounces of water a day. Not sure he really needs that much.
 

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Our cat is 10 pounds and, according to her vet, she's supposed to be eating 200 calories a day to maintain weight.
 

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If you read my post in kittica's thread, there is a formula to calculate the amount of water your cat needs. I also posted how to tell if your cat is dehydrated. In my example, a cat that weighs 6 kg (approx.13 lbs) would need 250 ml or 1 cup of water per day. That may seem like a lot but so does 8-10 glasses of water that us humans have to drink! Anyway, I think you can use this formula as a starting point and check your cat for dehydration regularly. Feeding canned food or raw is optimal if you can afford it or are willing but make sure your cat is getting plenty of water if eating dry food.
 
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Originally Posted by Willowy

I guess that if I wanted to know how much fluid a cat needs, I'd ask the vet how much IV/subq fluid they would give to a cat who wasn't drinking at all. Not sure if that translates to how much they should drink, but is probably a good starting place anyway.

I had Mooch on an all-canned diet for awhile. He was eating two 5.5-oz cans a day (he's a big cat--23 pounds, and I was trying to help him lose weight slowly). He did not drink ANY water while on the all-canned diet. So if he was eating 11 ounces of canned food a day, at 78% moisture that would be equal to 8.58 ounces of water, if I figured that right. So I guess I know that Mooch needs, at most, 8.58 ounces of water a day. Not sure he really needs that much.
Mooch is a big boy so the nearly 9oz for him sounds more realistic to me than an 8 or 9 pound cat. I like the IV fluid idea and I'm going to mention it to my vet.
 
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Originally Posted by SweetPea24

If you read my post in kittica's thread, there is a formula to calculate the amount of water your cat needs. I also posted how to tell if your cat is dehydrated. In my example, a cat that weighs 6 kg (approx.13 lbs) would need 250 ml or 1 cup of water per day. That may seem like a lot but so does 8-10 glasses of water that us humans have to drink! Anyway, I think you can use this formula as a starting point and check your cat for dehydration regularly. Feeding canned food or raw is optimal if you can afford it or are willing but make sure your cat is getting plenty of water if eating dry food.
Hi SweetPea, I'm not sure if I read your formula correctly or not. I'm going to go back and search the thread to make sure I did not overlook your post. I'd like to see the source of the formula you use.

I have never fed a raw diet and know nothing about feeding a raw diet. I'm not being negative here; It's just that I've never done it. My cats get between 60-70% of their diet in wet and the rest in dry. They all drink plenty of water so I'm not worried about them regarding hydration. I'd just like to be able to tell someone that their cat should be getting Xoz of water per day either by ingesting it in food or drinking it.
 

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Originally Posted by NutroMike

I'd just like to be able to tell someone that their cat should be getting Xoz of water per day either by ingesting it in food or drinking it.
There isn't a straightforward solution to measuring a cats behavior at the water bowl, even with ideal levels in mind.

The most accurate monitoring would involve filling the fountain with a measured amount, putting it away from sunlight, moving air, etc. for a week to account for loss to evaporation etc, refilling, isolating the kitty for a period to determine the ounces being individually consumed and recount.



Try if at all possible to make the mainstay of a cat's diet wet food. Better safe than sorry.
 

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I'm gonna stick to the formula that I use for humans--half your weight in ounces. So an 8-pound cat would need 4 ounces, a 20-pound cat would need 10 ounces, etc. I know it's just a rough guideline but it sounds right to me
. But of course there's not a lot you can do on the subject except to provide plenty of fresh water for your cat, and feed at least some moist food.
 

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Originally Posted by Willowy

I'm gonna stick to the formula that I use for humans--half your weight in ounces. So an 8-pound cat would need 4 ounces, a 20-pound cat would need 10 ounces, etc. I know it's just a rough guideline but it sounds right to me
. But of course there's not a lot you can do on the subject except to provide plenty of fresh water for your cat, and feed at least some moist food.
Cats have hyper-concentrated urine and they don't sweat, heck they don't even pant much.

Humans should need much more water than desert adapted animals like cats IMO, and you wouldn't apply the same water needs for a dog to a cat either for example as dogs tend to drink like horses... but then again, Denali big doggie I think loses 2 gallons of fluid to DROOL daily IMO!


But I do agree either way to have multiple fountains and experiment with popular places to encourage drinking as much as ya can as it can't hurt.
 

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The source of the formula I used was vin.com..(Veterinary Information Network) it's a resource for veterinary professionals. I don't know if you can access the message boards as I think you have to be a member (which means you have to pay $$). I have access at the clinic where I work. Dr. Lisa Pierson is the author of catinfo.org and she is often on the message boards. She is a proponent of raw diets.
 

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Originally Posted by SweetPea24

If you read my post in kittica's thread, there is a formula to calculate the amount of water your cat needs. I also posted how to tell if your cat is dehydrated. In my example, a cat that weighs 6 kg (approx.13 lbs) would need 250 ml or 1 cup of water per day. That may seem like a lot but so does 8-10 glasses of water that us humans have to drink! Anyway, I think you can use this formula as a starting point and check your cat for dehydration regularly. Feeding canned food or raw is optimal if you can afford it or are willing but make sure your cat is getting plenty of water if eating dry food.
This is in line with what I have found over the years... ie "ave" 8-10 lb cat 4-6 oz ...
 
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