American Idol, the 3 finalists...

misty8723 · May 20, 2011

Originally Posted by KittKatt

Yes, the phone numbers were the same: James had 1-866-IDOLS 01 & 05, as it should have been. But people got mixed up because of the order of appearance he sang in: he was in the 1st position & 8th position - thus confusing people into thinking that they should dial 1-866-IDOLS o1 or 08, which would have screwed up the vote count. I didn't get confused myself, and used the correct phone number. But plenty of other people did: there are threads about it on the AI forum if you'd care to check into it.

I'm aware of the fact that not everyone liked James, and he wasn't their cup of tea. But there were also plenty of people who did love James - me included.

I think he had a bigger fan base than any other contestant this year. If you go to the AI forum, there are more threads about him than any other contestant. I personally don't believe that it was coincidence that James had never once been in the bottom three, but yet he got ousted before the other three that were left. I also don't think it's coincidence that Ryan made that ominous remark about Chris Daughtery, or that's it's coincidence that the phone number mix-up just happened to occur last week like it did which caused James to get the boot. If the AI people noticed the mistake which I'm sure they did (how could they not), why didn't they allow James to come back and take another vote count - using only ONE phone number for each contestant which would have been the fair thing to do? I think the AI people wanted James gone for whatever reason - just like they did with Adam - so they made it possible for it to happen. There has never once been an AI contestant who was a rock singer that won the AI competition: I don't think that's a coincidence, either.

Maybe its more likely the people who would have voted for James were voting for Haley because they were mad at Randy for being "mean" to her? All the other contestants went in different order too for the second song, so I don't think its that.

I like James too, but I think he's going to do just fine. I don't think he had a bigger fan base than anyone or he would still be there. There may have been a lot of love on the Idol forum, but the one that I frequent no so much.

David Cook won, he's a better rocker than either Adam or James in my opinion. Like I said before, I don't think they care who wins. If they engineered it, Talyor Hicks would never have won. I do think they do stuff to create drama, though. Oh, and I think James was in the bottom once wasn't he? Or was that the random week?

I like to see the singing, I'm not crazy about the manufactured drama, but I won't stop watching until they take the show off the air.

rockcat · May 20, 2011

Originally Posted by Misty8723

If you like screaming. Which I don't.

I don't necessarily "like screaming." I do enjoy good classic rock though. I think Robert Plant would be proud of her rendition. She sang a difficult song very well. I think she's the most talented of the 3, even though she was voted off.

The other 2 are more marketable. I'm not a country fan, but can appreciate it. They are both excellent singers.

Scotty will win.

larussa · May 20, 2011

Originally Posted by KittKatt

Yes, the phone numbers were the same: James had 1-866-IDOLS 01 & 05, as it should have been. But people got mixed up because of the order of appearance he sang in: he was in the 1st position & 8th position - thus confusing people into thinking that they should dial 1-866-IDOLS o1 or 08, which would have screwed up the vote count. I didn't get confused myself, and used the correct phone number. But plenty of other people did: there are threads about it on the AI forum if you'd care to check into it.

I'm aware of the fact that not everyone liked James, and he wasn't their cup of tea. But there were also plenty of people who did love James - me included.

I think he had a bigger fan base than any other contestant this year. If you go to the AI forum, there are more threads about him than any other contestant. I personally don't believe that it was coincidence that James had never once been in the bottom three, but yet he got ousted before the other three that were left. I also don't think it's coincidence that Ryan made that ominous remark about Chris Daughtery, or that's it's coincidence that the phone number mix-up just happened to occur last week like it did which caused James to get the boot. If the AI people noticed the mistake which I'm sure they did (how could they not), why didn't they allow James to come back and take another vote count - using only ONE phone number for each contestant which would have been the fair thing to do? I think the AI people wanted James gone for whatever reason - just like they did with Adam - so they made it possible for it to happen. There has never once been an AI contestant who was a rock singer that won the AI competition: I don't think that's a coincidence, either.

Actually the reason is a lot of people do not like rockers including me and that is the reason he was voted off, just not enough votes to keep him there. That's the real reason. By the way I was a Adam Lambert fan and always liked him, he should have won that year. The guy who won (I can't even think of his name) has never been heard of or seen again, he was a waste of time.

misty8723 · May 20, 2011

Originally Posted by Rockcat

I don't necessarily "like screaming." I do enjoy good classic rock though. I think Robert Plant would be proud of her rendition. She sang a difficult song very well. I think she's the most talented of the 3, even though she was voted off.

I heard that Jimmy I. is already gathering songs for her CD, so I think you'll definitely be hearing from her again.

misty8723 · May 20, 2011

Originally Posted by LaRussa

Actually the reason is a lot of people do not like rockers including me and that is the reason he was voted off, just not enough votes to keep him there. That's the real reason. By the way I was a Adam Lambert fan and always liked him, he should have won that year. The guy who won (I can't even think of his name) has never been heard of or seen again, he was a waste of time.

Kris Allen won. He's doing fine.

Tuesday night was the 2011 BMI Pop Awards in Beverly Hills, California. Kris Allen's smash hit "Live Like We're Dying" won a BMI Pop Award ...

http://krisallenaddicts.blogspot.com...new-album.html

larussa · May 21, 2011

Originally Posted by Misty8723

Kris Allen won. He's doing fine.

http://krisallenaddicts.blogspot.com...new-album.html

I never ever heard of that song, I don't think the NY jocks play it on the radio stations here but I have heard Adam Lambert songs played here. Oh my after listening to that video for a few seconds, no wonder not many remember his name, he is terrible, sorry.

misty8723 · May 21, 2011

Originally Posted by LaRussa

I never ever heard of that song, I don't think the NY jocks play it on the radio stations here but I have heard Adam Lambert songs played here. Oh my after listening to that video for a few seconds, no wonder not many remember his name, he is terrible, sorry.

I think I've heard they play Kris more on adult contempory stations, like easy listening. I listen to oldies on Sirius most of the time, so I've never heard either Kris or Adam. Other than Carrie, the only other Idols I've heard on radio are David Cook and Daughtry.

rockcat · May 23, 2011

Originally Posted by Misty8723

I heard that Jimmy I. is already gathering songs for her CD, so I think you'll definitely be hearing from her again.

Cool, thanks!

kittkatt · May 23, 2011

Look, y'all - I didn't mean to start a debate over whether or not AI is possibly being dishonest and is rigging the votes. I believe that they are: I don't expect anyone else to believe it. I just wanted to voice my opinion over how I felt and why I felt that way, and why I won't be watching the show any more - as much as I'll miss watching it. I'm not expecting anyone else to agree with me: you can take my opinion for what it's worth.

mystik spiral · May 23, 2011

Perhaps I am just cynical, but I don't believe that ANY "reality" show is very well grounded in reality. The bottom line is the networks and producers want/need people to keep watching, and I believe that they use everything they can - i.e. screen time, editing, etc. to curry favor for the people they want to remain on the show. I don't know that they would get away with out and out rigging votes, but they absolutely set things up to keep the people there that they want to be there.

kittkatt · May 23, 2011

Originally Posted by Mystik Spiral

Perhaps I am just cynical, but I don't believe that ANY "reality" show is very well grounded in reality. The bottom line is the networks and producers want/need people to keep watching, and I believe that they use everything they can - i.e. screen time, editing, etc. to curry favor for the people they want to remain on the show. I don't know that they would get away with out and out rigging votes, but they absolutely set things up to keep the people there that they want to be there.

I agree, which is yet another reason why I think AI had James booted off the show (Pia, too). They knew what kind of a shock value it would give the show, thus keeping viewers "hooked".

misty8723 · May 23, 2011

Originally Posted by KittKatt

Look, y'all - I didn't mean to start a debate over whether or not AI is possibly being dishonest and is rigging the votes. I believe that they are: I don't expect anyone else to believe it. I just wanted to voice my opinion over how I felt and why I felt that way, and why I won't be watching the show any more - as much as I'll miss watching it. I'm not expecting anyone else to agree with me: you can take my opinion for what it's worth.

There's nothing wrong with a little healthy discussion.

I know for a fact that reality shows (all of them) are scripted and edited the way the show wants everything to appear. However, as far as Idol goes, I think it all depends on how the contract is written whether or not they rig the votes. If, for example, it says that they have the right to throw out results and do what they want (which is something I heard once was in the contracts), then yes they could have certain people thrown off for whatever reason. However, there is a law since the game show scandals in the 50s that prohibits the fixing of quiz shows (and any other form of contest). Sure, they certainly can edit so some people appear more desirable than others, but they can't do much about the live performances, and I honestly don't think they care who wins. What they're looking for is something that will get people invested in the show, watching, and voting. If you listen sometimes too, Ryan will say these are the bottom two or bottom three, and sometimes he won't specifically say that. If you realize that its just a reality show and not a true talent competition, you can enjoy the show and not get too worked up about who wins or who doesn't. At least, that's how it is for me, I've been watching since season two and now I'm just looking to be entertained.

misty8723 · May 23, 2011

Originally Posted by KittKatt

I agree, which is yet another reason why I think AI had James booted off the show (Pia, too). They knew what kind of a shock value it would give the show, thus keeping viewers "hooked".

I don't believe they had either Pia or James booted. I don't think Pia was as popular as they would have had us believe after she was eliminated. An awful lot of people (myself included) thought she was just boring. James too, although I liked him, I've seen him panned more than praised and many people have been comparing him unfavorably to Adam Lambert. So, again, I wasn't surprised to see him voted off. If they truly did boot off a favorite, it wouldn't keep people hooked, it would have people jumping ship en masse, so that wouldn't serve them. At least, this is my opinion.

kittkatt · May 23, 2011

Originally Posted by Misty8723"

If you realize that its just a reality show and not a true talent competition, you can enjoy the show and not get too worked up about who wins or who doesn't. At least, that's how it is for me, I've been watching since season two and now I'm just looking to be entertained.

I watched it because of the talent aspect of it - not for entertainment value - and I wanted who I thought was the best performer to win, which IMO, was James this year - and Adam the year that he was a contestant. That's what the show is supposed to be all about, isn't it? That my opinion, anyway.

kittkatt · May 23, 2011

Originally Posted by Misty8723

I don't believe they had either Pia or James booted. I don't think Pia was as popular as they would have had us believe after she was eliminated. An awful lot of people (myself included) thought she was just boring. James too, although I liked him, I've seen him panned more than praised and many people have been comparing him unfavorably to Adam Lambert. So, again, I wasn't surprised to see him voted off. If they truly did boot off a favorite, it wouldn't keep people hooked, it would have people jumping ship en masse, so that wouldn't serve them. At least, this is my opinion.

Pia was getting boring, but she sure could sing. James & Adam were anything but boring IMO. I looked forward to their performances every single week because they were so darn good!

I can't say that about the other contestants - even though I really did like some of them and admired their singing talent.

I still think the show's rigged, and that's all I'm gonna say about that.

rockcat · May 24, 2011

I don't think the show is rigged, BUT I also don't think that the best performers necessarily win. All of the finalists are great performers. The most popular one will win.

larussa · May 24, 2011

Originally Posted by Rockcat

I don't think the show is rigged, BUT I also don't think that the best performers necessarily win. All of the finalists are great performers. The most popular one will win.

I totally agree with you, I don't think the show is rigged either but it is the most popular one that wins, not always the best singer. If you are well liked on Idol, you will get the most votes. Many people couldn't stand Haley and her higher than thou attitude, that's why she was voted off last week. You just have to be liked by the the public (voters) or you just won't get the votes you need to stay. Scotty has a very good voice and has a great personality, that will give him the win this year.

mystik spiral · May 24, 2011

Originally Posted by LaRussa

Many people couldn't stand Haley and her higher than thou attitude, that's why she was voted off last week.

That's exactly what I mean when I say the producers have a hand in it thanks to editing. THEY have the choice of what to show on TV. I'm not a religious AI viewer, I've caught maybe half the episodes this season, and it's only the second season I've ever really paid attention to... but I see the same thing all the time on The Biggest Loser. On that show, it's like they choose who is going to be the "villain" and show that person being a jerk whenever they're on screen. And they choose their "hero", and get that person on screen being inspirational. But the fact is that when a week+ worth of footage is condensed into half minute interview segments, we might feel like we're getting to know these people but we're really not.

I have no doubt that AI is a popularity contest, but the producers are the ones who get to create the popular kids and the not-so-popular kids...

misty8723 · May 24, 2011

Originally Posted by Mystik Spiral

That's exactly what I mean when I say the producers have a hand in it thanks to editing. THEY have the choice of what to show on TV. I'm not a religious AI viewer, I've caught maybe half the episodes this season, and it's only the second season I've ever really paid attention to... but I see the same thing all the time on The Biggest Loser. On that show, it's like they choose who is going to be the "villain" and show that person being a jerk whenever they're on screen. And they choose their "hero", and get that person on screen being inspirational. But the fact is that when a week+ worth of footage is condensed into half minute interview segments, we might feel like we're getting to know these people but we're really not.

I have no doubt that AI is a popularity contest, but the producers are the ones who get to create the popular kids and the not-so-popular kids...

The judges have no control over how a person acts during the live show, and I don't belive they ever cast Haley as a "villain." It was her attitude when receiving criticism from the judges that earned her the reputation. What they show that was taped can certainly be edited to cast certain people in one light and certain people in another light, and all of the "reality" shows do that. I don't think AI cares who wins, but they do like to have heroes and villains to add a little drama, get people talking, and get people voting. This year it wasn't as blatant to me as when Simon was casting the show, but that doesn't mean it wasn't present.

misty8723 · May 24, 2011

Originally Posted by LaRussa

I totally agree with you, I don't think the show is rigged either but it is the most popular one that wins, not always the best singer. If you are well liked on Idol, you will get the most votes. Many people couldn't stand Haley and her higher than thou attitude, that's why she was voted off last week. You just have to be liked by the the public (voters) or you just won't get the votes you need to stay. Scotty has a very good voice and has a great personality, that will give him the win this year.

Its definitely a popularity contest, which is why some Idols don't do very good after the show. After the show we don't see them every week and out of sight out of mind, so its all about the singing getting non-Idol viewers on board. Still, in my opinion, if these guys get to make a living doing something they love - even if its not at superstar level - they've won (even if they didn't win Idol).

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