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post #31 of 45
5/23/11 at 2:31pm
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Originally Posted by Mystik Spiral View Post
Perhaps I am just cynical, but I don't believe that ANY "reality" show is very well grounded in reality. The bottom line is the networks and producers want/need people to keep watching, and I believe that they use everything they can - i.e. screen time, editing, etc. to curry favor for the people they want to remain on the show. I don't know that they would get away with out and out rigging votes, but they absolutely set things up to keep the people there that they want to be there.

I agree, which is yet another reason why I think AI had James booted off the show (Pia, too). They knew what kind of a shock value it would give the show, thus keeping viewers "hooked".
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post #32 of 45
5/23/11 at 4:36pm
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Originally Posted by KittKatt View Post
Look, y'all - I didn't mean to start a debate over whether or not AI is possibly being dishonest and is rigging the votes. I believe that they are: I don't expect anyone else to believe it. I just wanted to voice my opinion over how I felt and why I felt that way, and why I won't be watching the show any more - as much as I'll miss watching it. I'm not expecting anyone else to agree with me: you can take my opinion for what it's worth.
There's nothing wrong with a little healthy discussion.

I know for a fact that reality shows (all of them) are scripted and edited the way the show wants everything to appear. However, as far as Idol goes, I think it all depends on how the contract is written whether or not they rig the votes. If, for example, it says that they have the right to throw out results and do what they want (which is something I heard once was in the contracts), then yes they could have certain people thrown off for whatever reason. However, there is a law since the game show scandals in the 50s that prohibits the fixing of quiz shows (and any other form of contest). Sure, they certainly can edit so some people appear more desirable than others, but they can't do much about the live performances, and I honestly don't think they care who wins. What they're looking for is something that will get people invested in the show, watching, and voting. If you listen sometimes too, Ryan will say these are the bottom two or bottom three, and sometimes he won't specifically say that. If you realize that its just a reality show and not a true talent competition, you can enjoy the show and not get too worked up about who wins or who doesn't. At least, that's how it is for me, I've been watching since season two and now I'm just looking to be entertained.
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post #33 of 45
5/23/11 at 4:38pm
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Originally Posted by KittKatt View Post

I agree, which is yet another reason why I think AI had James booted off the show (Pia, too). They knew what kind of a shock value it would give the show, thus keeping viewers "hooked".
I don't believe they had either Pia or James booted. I don't think Pia was as popular as they would have had us believe after she was eliminated. An awful lot of people (myself included) thought she was just boring. James too, although I liked him, I've seen him panned more than praised and many people have been comparing him unfavorably to Adam Lambert. So, again, I wasn't surprised to see him voted off. If they truly did boot off a favorite, it wouldn't keep people hooked, it would have people jumping ship en masse, so that wouldn't serve them. At least, this is my opinion.
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post #34 of 45
5/23/11 at 4:59pm
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Originally Posted by Misty8723"
If you realize that its just a reality show and not a true talent competition, you can enjoy the show and not get too worked up about who wins or who doesn't. At least, that's how it is for me, I've been watching since season two and now I'm just looking to be entertained.
I watched it because of the talent aspect of it - not for entertainment value - and I wanted who I thought was the best performer to win, which IMO, was James this year - and Adam the year that he was a contestant. That's what the show is supposed to be all about, isn't it? That my opinion, anyway.
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post #35 of 45
5/23/11 at 5:04pm
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Originally Posted by Misty8723 View Post
I don't believe they had either Pia or James booted. I don't think Pia was as popular as they would have had us believe after she was eliminated. An awful lot of people (myself included) thought she was just boring. James too, although I liked him, I've seen him panned more than praised and many people have been comparing him unfavorably to Adam Lambert. So, again, I wasn't surprised to see him voted off. If they truly did boot off a favorite, it wouldn't keep people hooked, it would have people jumping ship en masse, so that wouldn't serve them. At least, this is my opinion.
Pia was getting boring, but she sure could sing. James & Adam were anything but boring IMO. I looked forward to their performances every single week because they were so darn good! I can't say that about the other contestants - even though I really did like some of them and admired their singing talent.

I still think the show's rigged, and that's all I'm gonna say about that.
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post #36 of 45
5/24/11 at 7:43am
I don't think the show is rigged, BUT I also don't think that the best performers necessarily win. All of the finalists are great performers. The most popular one will win.
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post #37 of 45
5/24/11 at 9:25am
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Originally Posted by Rockcat View Post
I don't think the show is rigged, BUT I also don't think that the best performers necessarily win. All of the finalists are great performers. The most popular one will win.
I totally agree with you, I don't think the show is rigged either but it is the most popular one that wins, not always the best singer. If you are well liked on Idol, you will get the most votes. Many people couldn't stand Haley and her higher than thou attitude, that's why she was voted off last week. You just have to be liked by the the public (voters) or you just won't get the votes you need to stay. Scotty has a very good voice and has a great personality, that will give him the win this year.
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post #38 of 45
5/24/11 at 9:43am
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Many people couldn't stand Haley and her higher than thou attitude, that's why she was voted off last week.
That's exactly what I mean when I say the producers have a hand in it thanks to editing. THEY have the choice of what to show on TV. I'm not a religious AI viewer, I've caught maybe half the episodes this season, and it's only the second season I've ever really paid attention to... but I see the same thing all the time on The Biggest Loser. On that show, it's like they choose who is going to be the "villain" and show that person being a jerk whenever they're on screen. And they choose their "hero", and get that person on screen being inspirational. But the fact is that when a week+ worth of footage is condensed into half minute interview segments, we might feel like we're getting to know these people but we're really not.

I have no doubt that AI is a popularity contest, but the producers are the ones who get to create the popular kids and the not-so-popular kids...
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post #39 of 45
5/24/11 at 12:45pm
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Originally Posted by Mystik Spiral View Post
That's exactly what I mean when I say the producers have a hand in it thanks to editing. THEY have the choice of what to show on TV. I'm not a religious AI viewer, I've caught maybe half the episodes this season, and it's only the second season I've ever really paid attention to... but I see the same thing all the time on The Biggest Loser. On that show, it's like they choose who is going to be the "villain" and show that person being a jerk whenever they're on screen. And they choose their "hero", and get that person on screen being inspirational. But the fact is that when a week+ worth of footage is condensed into half minute interview segments, we might feel like we're getting to know these people but we're really not.

I have no doubt that AI is a popularity contest, but the producers are the ones who get to create the popular kids and the not-so-popular kids...
The judges have no control over how a person acts during the live show, and I don't belive they ever cast Haley as a "villain." It was her attitude when receiving criticism from the judges that earned her the reputation. What they show that was taped can certainly be edited to cast certain people in one light and certain people in another light, and all of the "reality" shows do that. I don't think AI cares who wins, but they do like to have heroes and villains to add a little drama, get people talking, and get people voting. This year it wasn't as blatant to me as when Simon was casting the show, but that doesn't mean it wasn't present.
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post #40 of 45
5/24/11 at 12:49pm
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Originally Posted by LaRussa View Post
I totally agree with you, I don't think the show is rigged either but it is the most popular one that wins, not always the best singer. If you are well liked on Idol, you will get the most votes. Many people couldn't stand Haley and her higher than thou attitude, that's why she was voted off last week. You just have to be liked by the the public (voters) or you just won't get the votes you need to stay. Scotty has a very good voice and has a great personality, that will give him the win this year.
Its definitely a popularity contest, which is why some Idols don't do very good after the show. After the show we don't see them every week and out of sight out of mind, so its all about the singing getting non-Idol viewers on board. Still, in my opinion, if these guys get to make a living doing something they love - even if its not at superstar level - they've won (even if they didn't win Idol).
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post #41 of 45
5/24/11 at 12:54pm
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Originally Posted by KittKatt View Post
I watched it because of the talent aspect of it - not for entertainment value - and I wanted who I thought was the best performer to win, which IMO, was James this year - and Adam the year that he was a contestant. That's what the show is supposed to be all about, isn't it? That my opinion, anyway.
Well, yeah, I watch it for the talent (which is what I consider entertainment, not the drama aspect of it). If you had a group of crappy singers I wouldn't watch, which is why I hate the audition rounds. The thing is, everyone has a different idea of who is the most talented, and if you have more than one you enjoy, its fun to watch even when a favorite gets booted off. This year I've liked a lot of them, including James, who I thought was a fantastic performer, but I'm still not a big fan of the screaming so I probably wouldn't by a CD. And I'm fortunate that two of my favorites have made it to the finale this year.
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post #42 of 45
5/24/11 at 2:40pm
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Originally Posted by KittKatt View Post
Look, y'all - I didn't mean to start a debate over whether or not AI is possibly being dishonest and is rigging the votes. I believe that they are: I don't expect anyone else to believe it. I just wanted to voice my opinion over how I felt and why I felt that way, and why I won't be watching the show any more - as much as I'll miss watching it. I'm not expecting anyone else to agree with me: you can take my opinion for what it's worth.
I do agree with you !!!!!!!!! I was extremely shocked and disappointed that James was voted off that night too. I thought the two finalists would have been Lauren and James and rightly so IMO. After last year and this year, I won't be watching the show anymore either. Plus, didn't enjoy the judges at all this year, except for Randy . I really enjoyed the seasons with Paula, Simon and Randy together.
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post #43 of 45
5/24/11 at 2:47pm
All I have left to say on the matter is that I decided I will be watching the finale tomorrow night: not because it matters to me who wins now, but because I wanna see James perform again - and hopefully he'll perform with Steven Tyler at one point, too. I think that would be worth watching. After that, no more AI for me.
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post #44 of 45
5/24/11 at 2:53pm
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Originally Posted by feralvr
I really enjoyed the seasons with Paula, Simon and Randy together.

I miss the 3 of them together, too: I even miss Simon - jerk that he could sometimes be. He was the guy you loved to hate. I liked it when Ellen was a judge too - especially when she got a good one in on Simon. I wasn't crazy about Steven Tyler at first, but he kinda grew on me - sans potty mouth. J-Lo just gets on my nerves.
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post #45 of 45
5/25/11 at 2:51pm
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Originally Posted by KittKatt View Post
All I have left to say on the matter is that I decided I will be watching the finale tomorrow night: not because it matters to me who wins now, but because I wanna see James perform again - and hopefully he'll perform with Steven Tyler at one point, too. I think that would be worth watching. After that, no more AI for me.
I have heard a rumor that James is going to perform with Judas Priest. I don't know if that's true or not.
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