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post #151 of 176
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Originally Posted by clixpix View Post
Well now he's changed the date to October 21st. That's ample time for you to plow through your life savings, and max out your credit cards.
Hmmm...I wonder if he's actually part of a government propaganda campaign to jump-start the economy?
post #152 of 176
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Originally Posted by clixpix View Post
Well now he's changed the date to October 21st. That's ample time for you to plow through your life savings, and max out your credit cards.
That is the end of the world. May 21st was the Rapture. They are two different events. When the Rapture first didn't happen, Camping said that the end of the world would still happen.

But now he's saying that the Rapture actually did happen!!! We just didn't see it.
post #153 of 176
I usually stay out of religious threads because I can get snarky and sarcastic, but events like this are exactly why I don't want, need or have anything to do with organized religion. I think it's flat-out dangerous for society. When you think of all the atrocities that have been committed in god's name, it's just sickening.

I don't really feel too bad for the people who blew their life savings over this stupid prediction. They allowed themselves to be taken advantage of by some guy who is correct simply because he says he is? I wonder how many of these people would give their credit card numbers to someone who claims to be the king of an African nation?

The bottom line is that the bible is merely MAN'S interpretation of the supposed word of god. It doesn't really make sense that a guy who had to send his son to earth to die so we could get into heaven would trust mere mortals to correctly interpret his thoughts. The whole concept of the bible and organized religion is so illogical to me that it's difficult for me to understand why there are people who throw their whole lives into it just on the mere chance there actually is some sort of life after death.

Why not live the life you have proof of to the fullest and leave it at that? Why bother with the guilt, the "immorality", and the holier than thou attitude and just be a good person NOW, not because you fear being "left behind" but because as a thinking, feeling person, you KNOW how to be kind and decent.
post #154 of 176
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Originally Posted by Mystik Spiral View Post
I usually stay out of religious threads because I can get snarky and sarcastic, but events like this are exactly why I don't want, need or have anything to do with organized religion. I think it's flat-out dangerous for society. When you think of all the atrocities that have been committed in god's name, it's just sickening.

I don't really feel too bad for the people who blew their life savings over this stupid prediction. They allowed themselves to be taken advantage of by some guy who is correct simply because he says he is? I wonder how many of these people would give their credit card numbers to someone who claims to be the king of an African nation?

The bottom line is that the bible is merely MAN'S interpretation of the supposed word of god. It doesn't really make sense that a guy who had to send his son to earth to die so we could get into heaven would trust mere mortals to correctly interpret his thoughts. The whole concept of the bible and organized religion is so illogical to me that it's difficult for me to understand why there are people who throw their whole lives into it just on the mere chance there actually is some sort of life after death.

Why not live the life you have proof of to the fullest and leave it at that? Why bother with the guilt, the "immorality", and the holier than thou attitude and just be a good person NOW, not because you fear being "left behind" but because as a thinking, feeling person, you KNOW how to be kind and decent.
Here here! I agree with everything you said 100%!
post #155 of 176
Back to Roman Catholics and the Rapture, here's one page that describes some of the various churches' views on the Rapture. http://www.religioustolerance.org/millenni.htm

For the most part, as I recall (raised Roman Catholic, graduated from a Jesuit university), the Rapture is primarily an American fundamentalist deal. I totally don't recall running into the concept, except in comparative theology, some history and literature courses, as I was growing up. Thus, this whole uproar has extremely little meaning to me. I'm thinking most of my friends won't be included, so not so worried about it.
post #156 of 176
I was raised Catholic too, and I agree with you that the whole rapture thing is pretty fundie. Even my mom thought the whole thing was ridiculous. In the paper last week they had a story and ran some stats about who believed in rapture... I can't remember all the groups they polled but I do remember that Catholics were very low down on the "rapture believability" scale...
post #157 of 176
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Originally Posted by Mystik Spiral View Post
I usually stay out of religious threads because I can get snarky and sarcastic, but events like this are exactly why I don't want, need or have anything to do with organized religion. I think it's flat-out dangerous for society. When you think of all the atrocities that have been committed in god's name, it's just sickening.

I don't really feel too bad for the people who blew their life savings over this stupid prediction. They allowed themselves to be taken advantage of by some guy who is correct simply because he says he is? I wonder how many of these people would give their credit card numbers to someone who claims to be the king of an African nation?

The bottom line is that the bible is merely MAN'S interpretation of the supposed word of god. It doesn't really make sense that a guy who had to send his son to earth to die so we could get into heaven would trust mere mortals to correctly interpret his thoughts. The whole concept of the bible and organized religion is so illogical to me that it's difficult for me to understand why there are people who throw their whole lives into it just on the mere chance there actually is some sort of life after death.

Why not live the life you have proof of to the fullest and leave it at that? Why bother with the guilt, the "immorality", and the holier than thou attitude and just be a good person NOW, not because you fear being "left behind" but because as a thinking, feeling person, you KNOW how to be kind and decent.

I can sense that you're holding back. How do you REALLY feel?
post #158 of 176
The sad thing is, that IS me holding back... I can get pretty worked up when it comes to discussing religion and politics. My mom finally had to ban my dad and I from discussing either when we got together (we never agreed much in those two arenas).
post #159 of 176
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Originally Posted by katachtig View Post
But now he's saying that the Rapture actually did happen!!! We just didn't see it.
OMG! That guy is some kind of freak!!!
post #160 of 176
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Originally Posted by katachtig View Post
But now he's saying that the Rapture actually did happen!!! We just didn't see it.
Oh, it must have been put into effect by InvisiCo, that would explain the whole thing..
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(If someone got offended, u can't do that, it's not allowed when lolcats are featured).
post #161 of 176
People should read the Bible themselves. Christians accept its teachings by faith. Does anyone know what denomination this man was associated with or even if he was. Clearly he was wrong. When this kind of thing happens, it can shed a bad light on Christianity, which is very unfortunate. I am sorry if people are hurt by listening and believing his teachings.
post #162 of 176
The truly interesting part of the whole thing is, because his followers so fully and totally believed in his words, they did a better job in a few weeks of spreading their message than any other denomination, mega-church or even TV evangelists on the entire planet has done in decades. Does anyone even know what the other denomination's slogans are? Or if they even have one? The all seem to be too busy trying to chase after their lapsed congregations, appear to the world to be "all inclusive" or "just like you", or in one case, you can't get 2 churches in the same neighborhood to agree on a message, let alone the entire denomination.

It's the one's that really have a message (or think they do) that are not afraid to get it out there.
post #163 of 176
Well, I did not get raptured. I hear tell he's made millions off of people that believed him. Today I read that the Rapture in May was preliminary and now it's supposed to be in October. I think he's milking it for every dime he can get his hands on.
post #164 of 176
The October 21 date sounds familiar. Unless you've studied a lot of religious history, you probably haven't come across it, but check out William Miller. He predicted the Second Coming on October 22, 1844.

It didn't happen and his followers decided that (just imagine this, now) it was an event in Heaven, not visible to humans on earth, that took place on that day.
post #165 of 176
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Originally Posted by Ducman69 View Post
I sure hope not, but I fear you are right. There are a plethora of websites that sprung up, although I imagine many are just spoofs, and others again just trying to capitalize on it and make a quick buck based:
http://www.aftertherapturepetcare.com/
http://eternal-earthbound-pets.com/
http://postrapturepetcare.com/
In another post, I mentioned William Miller and his October 22, 1844 date. There were tales that Millerites made "ascension robes" and climbed hills or trees to be closer to the "uptake." Turns out there's no evidence that happened, but it got enough currency to even be mentioned by Mark Twain, who, it should be noted, was only 9 years old at the time, and never claimed he saw it happen, only reported that he had heard it happened.

On the other hand, he said, "Heaven goes by favor; if it went by merit, you would stay out and your dog would go in." Applies to cats, too, I'd say.
post #166 of 176
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp View Post
The truly interesting part of the whole thing is, because his followers so fully and totally believed in his words, they did a better job in a few weeks of spreading their message than any other denomination, mega-church or even TV evangelists on the entire planet has done in decades. Does anyone even know what the other denomination's slogans are? Or if they even have one? The all seem to be too busy trying to chase after their lapsed congregations, appear to the world to be "all inclusive" or "just like you", or in one case, you can't get 2 churches in the same neighborhood to agree on a message, let alone the entire denomination.

It's the one's that really have a message (or think they do) that are not afraid to get it out there.
Westboro Baptist Church did a pretty good job on a shoe-string budget of getting their message out there.

Al Quaeda as a militant islam group made a name for themselves as well. And Scientology is tiny, but everyone knows them, even so far as to have themselves banned by the German government as dangerous.

Mainstream ideas don't stand out, but dangerous cults sure do.
post #167 of 176
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Originally Posted by Ducman69 View Post
Westboro Baptist Church did a pretty good job on a shoe-string budget of getting their message out there.

Al Quaeda as a militant islam group made a name for themselves as well. And Scientology is tiny, but everyone knows them, even so far as to have themselves banned by the German government as dangerous.

Mainstream ideas don't stand out, but dangerous cults sure do.
Exactly what I mean. What people refer to as being "mainstream ideas" certainly seems to be merely the mainstream going with the flow, with a rather small amount of dedication. It's the one's that are believed passionately that are at the forefront. It give the appearance that the followers of mainstream religions do so mainly because it's easier or less trouble that any of the alternatives.
post #168 of 176
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp View Post
The truly interesting part of the whole thing is, because his followers so fully and totally believed in his words, they did a better job in a few weeks of spreading their message than any other denomination, mega-church or even TV evangelists on the entire planet has done in decades. Does anyone even know what the other denomination's slogans are? Or if they even have one? The all seem to be too busy trying to chase after their lapsed congregations, appear to the world to be "all inclusive" or "just like you", or in one case, you can't get 2 churches in the same neighborhood to agree on a message, let alone the entire denomination.

It's the one's that really have a message (or think they do) that are not afraid to get it out there.
Sure they did a good job getting the word out, but they had a lot of help from the media. I think we all saw it on the news.
post #169 of 176
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Originally Posted by Rockcat View Post
Sure they did a good job getting the word out, but they had a lot of help from the media. I think we all saw it on the news.
They got help from the media because they worked the media. It actually appears that isn't hard to do.
post #170 of 176
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Ducman69 View Post
Westboro Baptist Church did a pretty good job on a shoe-string budget of getting their message out there.

Al Quaeda as a militant islam group made a name for themselves as well. And Scientology is tiny, but everyone knows them, even so far as to have themselves banned by the German government as dangerous.

Mainstream ideas don't stand out, but dangerous cults sure do.
I have the misfortune of having lived in the same city as the Phelpsters (Topeka, KS for the curious- went to college there for two years) and I've seen them all over the place with their disgusting signs and propoganda.

What bothers me the most about all of this, the Phelpsters and Camping's group and everything- they get children involved. Little kids with sweet faces holding up signs that say "GOD HATES AMERICA", "THANK GOD FOR DEAD SOLDIERS", and etc. They are being raised on that hatred... it's just absolutely awful.
post #171 of 176
Thread Starter 
Just saw this on CNN- how horrible for this family.

http://money.cnn.com/2011/06/01/pf/d...ight&hpt=hp_c2
post #172 of 176
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Originally Posted by orangeishcat View Post
Just saw this on CNN- how horrible for this family.

http://money.cnn.com/2011/06/01/pf/d...ight&hpt=hp_c2
No kidding. It's all just a big scam by the "church".
post #173 of 176
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Originally Posted by orangeishcat View Post
Just saw this on CNN- how horrible for this family.

http://money.cnn.com/2011/06/01/pf/d...ight&hpt=hp_c2
The woman talks like it was her right to get her aunt's money... sorry but it was never hers to begin with. I don't agree with the aunt's choice, but it was her choice.

It's not an "inheritance" until you get it! Until then, it's simply someone else's money.
post #174 of 176
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Originally Posted by SwampWitch View Post
The woman talks like it was her right to get her aunt's money... sorry but it was never hers to begin with. I don't agree with the aunt's choice, but it was her choice.

It's not an "inheritance" until you get it! Until then, it's simply someone else's money.
Very true.......
post #175 of 176
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Originally Posted by SwampWitch View Post
The woman talks like it was her right to get her aunt's money... sorry but it was never hers to begin with. I don't agree with the aunt's choice, but it was her choice.

It's not an "inheritance" until you get it! Until then, it's simply someone else's money.
I totally agree. Plus, if Family Radio was all she had to fill her days, then apparently she wasn't getting a lot of family time from them. I don't see why they feel entitled to HER money, when she seemingly got so little from them. She should have spent her last days in a recliner under a pile of grandchildren telling stories, not listening to the radio.
post #176 of 176
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Originally Posted by SwampWitch View Post
The woman talks like it was her right to get her aunt's money... sorry but it was never hers to begin with. I don't agree with the aunt's choice, but it was her choice.

It's not an "inheritance" until you get it! Until then, it's simply someone else's money.
The best inheritance is the one that is unexpected. A great uncle of mine, (my grandma's brother who I never met) died without leaving a will. He had never married and me, my two brothers and about 32 other people shared a portion of the money. Some got more than me and some got less depending on how far removed they were. I was happy with the 2-3 thousand I got.

Some people are just too greedy.
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