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post #31 of 39
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Originally Posted by klane925 View Post
So at the vet she weighed 15.6, but still thats pretty high. the vet agreed with wellness healthy weight, the food ball for exercise and 4 times a day feedings, with 1/3 c being her max amt for the day. She said to try the petsafe 5 meal because its cheaper and i loooove that idea. I can return it if she can get into it right?

Its strange though, she was completely against wet food. I've heard so many good things about wet food.

She also asked that i bring her in once a month to weigh on their scale and I love that idea. Overall I'm feeling pretty good. As long as I have a plan I'm happy!
I'm not sure if 1/3 cup would be enough calories, even for a small female cat; problem is, no where can I find how many calories per cup are in that food..

Wet food is needed to keep a cat properly hydrated, whether your vet knows it or not. Here's a video that talks about wet food and hydration (in cats & dogs). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5ZeNLUEHKY

I would suggest investing in a baby scale to monitor her weight at home, because loosing too much in a short amount of time can lead to fatty liver disease which can be fatal. :[
From catinfo.org - "Hepatic lipidosis (HL) is a life-threatening condition that can occur when a cat is either completely anorexic (not eating anything) for 48 hours or more or is consuming less than 50% of his daily caloric needs over several/many days. It more commonly occurs when overweight cats are not consuming enough calories but cats that are carrying a proper amount of weight can also end up with HL.

These 'calorie starved' cats end up with fat deposition in their liver which destroys the liver cells.

Because HL can become an issue if weight loss occurs too rapidly in cats, I strongly urge you to invest in a scale - preferably a digital one that weighs to the nearest ounce. It is always a good idea to weigh all cats several times each year regardless of whether they are on a weight loss program or not. Weight loss can be an early sign of disease so it is always helpful to monitor all cats' weight on a regular basis."
I've found it's just way too hard to tell if they are loosing or gaining too fast from sight alone.
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Originally Posted by MNJULZ View Post
Are you saying your cat gained all that weight on only 1/2 cup of dry food a day? I know you said you took her to the vet recently, but did the vet run any tests? Is your cat physically ok? That's alot of weight to gain in a short amount of time (and to lose also). When you talk about a cats weight increasing or decreasing by 4 or 5 lbs, that is 1/3 of their body weight. I would wonder if someting is physically wrong. Begging for food may not be a behavior issue.
I just realised the same thing, but it's no wonder, here are the first three ingredients on the food she was feeding.. "Brewers Rice, Corn Gluten Meal, Animal Fat"
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Originally Posted by klane925 View Post
I have the bag in front of me...are we talking kcals? it says it contains 450 per cup. So 250 would be about a half cup a day? i could try that instead. it would be easier to do 1/8 c 4 times a day
I thought 1/2c was what you were feeding her already? Counting calories won't help if the result says what you are feeding is fine, but that amount leaves her hungry all the time.

I honestly say trash all the dry you have for three reasons:
Like I showed above, the Science Diet Sensitive stomach doesn't have ANY meat in the first three ingredients, it's basically a giant salad with a bit of pork mixed in, and cats need a carnivore's diet.
Second, I can guarantee you that when you switch to wet, your cat will feel full and be getting twice as much meat in her diet as she is now.
Thirdly, since your cat has had a UTI in the past, it is highly important that she gets plenty of moisture to keep her healthy and hydrated.

It's great that you are looking out for Cira's well being. Continue to keep us updated.
post #32 of 39
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Alright...a bit overwhelming, but I think we got this fairly sorted out. Thank you all for your input, very much appreciated.

So...the scratching behavior is difficult because I have 3 cats and what works with one doesnt work with the other. One cat scratches on a scratching tree, one cat scratches on a scratching board with catnip in it, Cira scratches on the couch, one cat EATS the sticky paws that I have used on the couch and none of my cats will sit still to get their nails trimmed.

I agree that 1/3 c is too little. I just set up the 5 meal auto feeder with 5 feedings of 1/8 cup, (75% old food 25% new) to the best of my ability. The timings are 9pm, 2am, 6am, 1130am, 430pm. Thats over 1/2c a day, but for now it needs to be that way, to get her through the night, to get her through late morning and to get her through the afternoon...i'm telling you, this thing will pretty much change our lives if it works. i can't walk anywhere in my house without tripping over the cat meowing at me in desperation. Because the timings cover problem areas, i dont mind the extra food for now. Its hard because its such a small amount, so right now i'm filling up a 1/4 measuring cup halfway with food.

I do understand the issue with losing weight too fast. My vet said something like..1/2 pound a month or every few weeks or something. She suggested i bring Cira to be weighed on their pet scale once a month. I can just bring the carrier in and weigh her in the carrier (and then subtract the carrier) since they weighed it during her visit.

As for the wet food, I definitely want to try it, I just want to get settled with her first before i change things up again. If she settles down on this diet maybe i'll try replacing her morning and evening feedings with wet or something, then she can still get the diet food 3 times a day.
post #33 of 39
The rule of thumb for weight loss is 1-2% per week. So if she weighs 15.6 or approx 249oz, then she is safe to lose 2.5-5oz per week. But two weeks later when she is 239oz, 5oz a week will be over her 2%. That's why I recommend the baby scale so that you can monitor her weight on a biweekly basis, because otherwise you may find yourself going in next month, and seeing she has lost too much.
post #34 of 39
Klane925 - I see that you are new here. Above is a food/nutrition forum with tons and tons of info about this very subject. It is overwelming to say the least. I have 4 rescues and only 1 is overweight. She's 15lbs. The others pretty much have their weight in check. (I free feed) I have found the better the qualtiy food the less they eat. Not all food is the same. 1/2 cup of quality is not the same as 1/2 cup of cheap. It doesn't absorb the same way. I also think our animals are like humans. We all come in different shapes and sizes, why not our cats? Different bone structure, chemestry or whatever. There is no exact science to this. If one needs a little more food than the others so be it. Make everyone happy and give the one a little more. I'm not promoting obesity but we all have to live and be somewhat happy.
post #35 of 39
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Originally Posted by MNJULZ View Post
Klane925 - I see that you are new here. Above is a food/nutrition forum with tons and tons of info about this very subject. It is overwelming to say the least. I have 4 rescues and only 1 is overweight. She's 15lbs. The others pretty much have their weight in check. (I free feed) I have found the better the qualtiy food the less they eat. Not all food is the same. 1/2 cup of quality is not the same as 1/2 cup of cheap. It doesn't absorb the same way. I also think our animals are like humans. We all come in different shapes and sizes, why not our cats? Different bone structure, chemestry or whatever. There is no exact science to this. If one needs a little more food than the others so be it. Make everyone happy and give the one a little more. I'm not promoting obesity but we all have to live and be somewhat happy.
I understand what you are getting at, but the problem is that even a couple pounds on a cat = 20-30lbs on a human. Thats a lot of stress on the body. Fat takes a much larger toll on a cat than a human, they are not meant to put on fat, they are meant to be lean, muscular animals. If a cat has to pull from fat storages, it can get fatty liver disease and die...
Fat does not equal happy.
post #36 of 39
Thread Starter 
Minka - you make a great point. I used to work with a wildlife rehabber, I think she has a bunch of baby scales so i'm going to see if she could advise about where to get one cheap or if she has a spare lying around (sanitized)

MNJUKZ - i do see what you mean and this is exactly the same advice my dad gave me. He thinks its ridiculous that i'm putting my cat on a diet. And i agree, a bit of weight gain in itself for a cat is not necessarily reason for concern. It has been a pretty ridiculous 6 months though...her ravenous behavior plus 5 pound weight gain is VERY concerning to me. I was positive at one point that she had a thyroid issue and actually a bit disappointed when that came back negative, because I don't feel like this is normal.

Part of my anxiety stems from the fact that i grew up with a diabetic cat. I was very young before he became diabetic, so i dont remember if he was overweight but i remember all the stress it caused my mom for the remaining 6 years of his life. She's a nurse, so she took the time to test his blood twice a day and adjust glucose appropriately, but still his sugar crashed maybe half a dozen times over those 6 years, which was awful to witness, and would have more if she wasn't so anal about keeping him under control. In the end he went blind and eventually fell into a coma, all before the age of 10. My mother is pretty much a saint, i dont know if i could devote my life pretty much to making sure my cat stays alive if she became diabetic. I'd do it if i had to but god i hope i dont have to.
post #37 of 39
Thread Starter 
btw - update on Cira:

she's fully switched over to wellness and has been on the auto feeder all week. and she can't get into it yet -- wooohooo! She still begs for food, but maybe not as obsessively. Not sure if thats because shes been REALLY hot the last couple days or the schedule is working

with the rising heat, i worry a LOT about her weight and the fact that she's a long hair cat. We have an air conditioner only in the living room. Ive been trying to keep her in the kitchen because of the tile floor - also tons of water in my house, sometimes with ice cubes.
post #38 of 39
awesome glad the feeder is working - don't get me wrong I was not advocating obesity I just think 5lbs for a cat is a huge swing in weight gain or loss. Hopefully the feeder and Wellness will work out.
post #39 of 39
Thread Starter 
Today I was home for the day and around 435 realized that Cira was laying on the couch under the air conditioning and had missed the auto feeder going off in the next room. So i go in to check it and walk in just in time to see the bowl being polished off by another cat.

I should have anticipated this, but thought Cira would be way more anal about getting to the food before they did...they could care less about food and eat so slowly i was sure they would be interrupted before they got too far.

So now i probably will be dealing with diarrhea for the one cat not used to the food and need to figure out how to let the cat roam the house but make sure she's the one eating her food. And also keep her cool, because she's been acting like a huge overheated sloth all weekend.
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