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post #1 of 16
5/14/11 at 10:55am
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I think this goes a long way in proving that Osama bin Laden was far from being a devout Muslim. He was just another murderous manipulator using Islam as a tool to get people to follow him. While deep down (maybe not so deep) he was just a perv.

Osama bin Laden had a secret porn stash
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post #2 of 16
5/14/11 at 11:42am
While I agree that what you say is so, I don't think it should have been made public. His personal sex life is nobody's business and has little to do with the issues the US had with him.
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post #3 of 16
5/14/11 at 12:03pm
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Originally Posted by Yosemite View Post
While I agree that what you say is so, I don't think it should have been made public. His personal sex life is nobody's business and has little to do with the issues the US had with him.
You may be right. I'm so on the fence about that though. I try to think past him and think of some kids in the future thinking of becoming terrorists in respect to Osama the Martyr. I tend to hope that just one of his/her friends says "Oh yeah, I remember him, the porno guy", and that such a thing would lessen the allure of that martyr image. Or that it makes people look with just a bit more skepticism at any self-proclaimed "holy man" who preaches violence.

Just a hope.
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post #4 of 16
5/14/11 at 1:31pm
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Originally Posted by Yosemite View Post
While I agree that what you say is so, I don't think it should have been made public. His personal sex life is nobody's business and has little to do with the issues the US had with him.
Why in the heck not? His personal sex life with his five wives may have been his personal business and what his did with himself and his pictures may have been his personal business if he were an average guy. He was a religious icon to his followers. For a religion that feels that women must be covered head to toe in public.

This isn't the same as Clinton and his mistress (had the impeachment been about that rather than perjury) - whether his bonking someone outside of marriage didn't affect his ability to run the country.

Bin Laden put himself on a religious pedestal. If his personal sex life couldn't conform to that religion then it does matter to those who follow(ed) him. He wasn't "holy." That does make a difference.
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post #5 of 16
5/14/11 at 2:13pm
The innocent 911 victims religious beliefs weren't his business either, but he killed them over it.

What goes around comes around.
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post #6 of 16
5/14/11 at 2:25pm
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I just find it interesting that this terrorist, who used religion as either a reason or a justification for just about everything he did, apparently didn't take it seriously enough to abide by it himself, and from the looks of things, engaged in the very behavior he demanded that "infidels" renounce.

A religious charlatan in every sense of the word.
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post #7 of 16
5/14/11 at 2:28pm
So he's a mass-murderer and a hypocrite... somehow that doesn't surprise me in the least.
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post #8 of 16
5/14/11 at 5:09pm
He never mentions it in his diary though:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...ry-blasphemous

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post #9 of 16
5/14/11 at 5:11pm
How do they know it was his porn stash and not some of the other residents in the building (like his son..)? Sounds a bit odd that a guy with 5 wives would need porn. Does islam forbid porn? I don't know much about their things..

*eta* IMO those diary writings seem very poorly made fakes or then they have been translated wayyy off.
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post #10 of 16
5/14/11 at 7:46pm
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Originally Posted by NorthernGlow View Post
How do they know it was his porn stash and not some of the other residents in the building (like his son..)? Sounds a bit odd that a guy with 5 wives would need porn. Does islam forbid porn? I don't know much about their things..

*eta* IMO those diary writings seem very poorly made fakes or then they have been translated wayyy off.
I took a class on Islam in college over winter break- needed a credit and it seemed interesting enough to keep me engaged. As I recall, the Quran/Koran/however you like to spell it encourages women to "guard their virtue" very closely... so I would say based on that, the religion itself probably does frown upon pornography. Whether or not it's widely followed, though... who knows? Not too long ago during Mass (I'm Roman Catholic) we had a sermon about the evils of pornography, so I would guess the beliefs are pretty similar.
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post #11 of 16
5/14/11 at 7:52pm
In my experience, those who preach the strongest about almost any subject are preaching about their own weakness.
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post #12 of 16
5/14/11 at 7:56pm
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Originally Posted by mrblanche View Post
In my experience, those who preach the strongest about almost any subject are preaching about their own weakness.
^ Yup. Larry Craig... nuff said.
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post #13 of 16
5/15/11 at 5:30am
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp View Post
You may be right. I'm so on the fence about that though. I try to think past him and think of some kids in the future thinking of becoming terrorists in respect to Osama the Martyr. I tend to hope that just one of his/her friends says "Oh yeah, I remember him, the porno guy", and that such a thing would lessen the allure of that martyr image. Or that it makes people look with just a bit more skepticism at any self-proclaimed "holy man" who preaches violence.

Just a hope.
Also understandable but then there is the hypocracy angle. I doubt if we will ever be rid of hypocracy in Islam/Christianity/Judaism, - well you get the point.

I just find many people are too focused on hearing all the smut which is why the National Enquirer is still alive and well. They seem to get some vicarious thrill out of this type of news and of course much of the news we get is not necessarily the truth but someone's "slant" on the subject.

I sometimes think if we were as interested and focused on our own actions as we are in others', we might have a better world.
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post #14 of 16
5/15/11 at 5:45am
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Originally Posted by Yosemite View Post
Also understandable but then there is the hypocracy angle. I doubt if we will ever be rid of hypocracy in Islam/Christianity/Judaism, - well you get the point.

I just find many people are too focused on hearing all the smut which is why the National Enquirer is still alive and well. They seem to get some vicarious thrill out of this type of news and of course much of the news we get is not necessarily the truth but someone's "slant" on the subject.

I sometimes think if we were as interested and focused on our own actions as we are in others', we might have a better world.
I think pointing out the hypocrisy maybe be one of the reason they released that information. Several years before 9-11, bin Laden issued a fatwa against all Americans everywhere, and one of the things he roundly and soundly condemned is the "display" of women, their "use" in pop culture and advertising, etc and so forth.

To find that he or his immediate household had a porn collection that appeared to be in the hundreds of pieces displays hypocrisy is a very raw form; the form where someone actually kills others in "judgement" of the very thing he does himself, in abundance.
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post #15 of 16
5/15/11 at 6:25am
I said years ago we needed to be dropping Victoria's Secret catalogs, not bombs, on the Muslim areas of the world. Then follow it up with Sears catalogs. Get some good healthy lust and greed going.
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post #16 of 16
5/16/11 at 11:40am
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Originally Posted by orangeishcat View Post
I took a class on Islam in college over winter break- needed a credit and it seemed interesting enough to keep me engaged. As I recall, the Quran/Koran/however you like to spell it encourages women to "guard their virtue" very closely... so I would say based on that, the religion itself probably does frown upon pornography.
Supposedly the 9/11 hijackers ordered hotel porn and also tried to get a hooker for one final **** before dying but the hooker was too pricey. Source: One of the cable channels' 9/11 documentaries. NGC I think.
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