Besides, it already irks me that English isn't the official language of the US, but I'd be downright PO'd when calling the government if I had to press 2 for English. 

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By the way, the "official language" movement is also seen as racist by quite a few people, myself included.
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Originally Posted by katachtig
This is true as of the 2000 Census. It is down to 64.7% in the 2010 Census.
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I don't know enough about the "official language" movement to comment on whether I think its racist. I just wonder why this is the only wave of immigrants to enter this country (legally or illegally) to be catered to by having everything translated into their language instead of having to assimilate the way the other immigrants did and learn english. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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No, you're right.
![]() Historically, I believe the largest non-English speaking immigrant group were from Germany, outnumbering those of English heritage. While they brought over kindergartens, christmas trees, hotdogs, hamburgers, beer, and so forth, they quickly picked up English and became so assimilated that many wouldn't even recognize that Pershing, Eisenhower, Rockefeller, Boeing, Chrysler, Einstein, Babe Ruth, heck even Donald Trump (birther-crusader, lol) are of German heritage. Ultimately, like in the China example, it doesn't matter what you speak at home since their land is so very geographically and culturally diverse, as long as everyone in the country shares one official language in common. Considering English is the business language of the world and the most common tongue in the US, its a no-brainer IMO... and yet people still fight it every time it comes up. Ugh! ![]() |
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Sadly, I know that all too well. Every other country I've lived in had an official language (well Singapore aims for bilingual w/ English as the official working language), with great practical benefit... people in the same country can talk to one another and you don't have to produce books of official documents in various languages. There are dozens of popular languages spoken in China for example, but at least they were smart enough to pick a popular one, Mandarin, as the official language. But I digress....
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I don't know enough about the "official language" movement to comment on whether I think its racist. I just wonder why this is the only wave of immigrants to enter this country (legally or illegally) to be catered to by having everything translated into their language instead of having to assimilate the way the other immigrants did and learn english. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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Immigrants already are required to learn a functional level of English to become citizens, but why should US Citizens be forced to learn a language other than what they grew up with?
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Perhaps because there is tremendous practical benefit for a society to be able to communicate with one another, and its a lot easier to pick a dominant language that just so happens to be the world business language to boot as a means of communication.
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| I'm fluent in English and German, loose conversational in Spanish, and basic understanding of Mandarin, and let me tell you that learning four languages is WAY hard enough as it is, and that isn't going to cover everything in the mixing pot that is the US. With an official language, you only need to be bilingual at most for everyone to communicate. And the administrative cost would be greatly reduced being able to share information w/ a unified language... just about every developed country has figured this out. Not quite sure how such an obvious benefit is "racist" or somehow violates the constitution. |
Imagine if everyone on this forum was talking at each other in various languages! ![]() |
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So you support discriminating against citizens for practical benefit?
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp
if they didn't learn it, then non-English speakers could be robbed of their rights of due process or litigation as there would no longer be a requirement to supply interpreters or translators.
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Surely you aren't arguing they are incapable. Besides, 33 states already have English as the official language on a state level, and an official language works for just about everyone else. The only developed countries I know of that don't have an official or national language are the US, Australia, and Mexico... pretty exclusive company. 
, the government has been talking about tightening its 3 year work visa conditions by requiring applicants for contract labor and the like to pass a language test. It is a nod to reality on two levels: One, that Japan must increase immigration. Two, that increasing immigration is publicly unpopular. So, they are nipping fears in the bud by addressing one complaint leveled at immigrants, viz. “We can't communicate with them,” before looking at an expansion of immigration or short-term visa issuances.
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Setting a single standard for all citizens is not discriminatory, sorry.
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Simple solution: Learn it. Surely you aren't arguing they are incapable. Besides, 33 states already have English as the official language on a state level, and an official language works for just about everyone else. The only developed countries I know of that don't have an official or national language are the US, Australia, and Mexico... pretty exclusive company. ![]() |
They discovered that even though they have an "official language", they cannot withhold services, nor can they force anyone to learn it. How exactly is that working?
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"Discovered?" The only place the "discovered" any such thing was in a decree handed down by some judge after they were sued by some incensed minority group.
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Don't even get me started on spelling. So, that being said, English is NOT that easy to learn even for those born in North America so why should we "assume" it is easy to learn for immigrants?


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Still missing the point. The Civil Rights Act quite plainly spells out that you cannot use language as a means to discriminate, period.
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Jurisdictions such as states have adopted "official language" for absolutely no other reason than that state's politicians at the time were attempting to pander votes from their conservative base.
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However, for any of those jurisdictions to attempt to actually enforce imposing a single language system would result in a loss of Federal Funding to any office or division that does so. Entire divisions, even if they have only 1 out of 100 discriminatory programs, lose everything.
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I don't see what I am missing.
For one, an amendment can be made at any time if there is political support behind the movement, which there is at almost every session due to obvious benefits. It is also entirely up to legal interpretation as to whether not an official language is discrimination, since it sets a single standard for all citizens that no citizen is precluded from meeting. Language is not an inherent trait, but a skill that those of average intelligence can achieve (the idea that non-native speakers are incapable of learning English is ludicrous), the same as a driver's license. "no person in the United States shall, on the ground of race, color or national origin, be excluded from participation in, be denied benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any program or activity receiving federal financial assistance." ^ says nothing with regard to an official language. |
| Are you claiming that the latest Rasmussen poll showing 88% support for English as the official language is inaccurate, or that 88% of the country is not only conservative but united on this issue? Rasmussen Reports is amongst the most accurate and reputable polling agencies. |
We have well seen how liberal special interest groups have abused the legal system, so I have no doubt that lawyers can do damage. However, they would have no case if English were adopted as the official language on a federal level. ![]() |

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It would appear the government disagrees with you.
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Yes, that is the current policy. No one has claimed otherwise to date. The thread is asking the question, "Should there be an official language in the US like in just about every other country?", not any claims that it is current policy.
![]() Policy can change at any time, it just needs popular support and representatives that heed the people's will and exercise their authority to make it happen. This movement has been gaining steam as communication barriers have become more and more apparent due to a recent increase in non-English speaking residents and the financial, commercial, and other burdens this places on communities. And again, we both agree 100% that people should not be treated differently based on race, gender, age, etc. The only thing we seem to disagree on, is that treating them exactly the same under a single standard that any person can meet is somehow "not equal". We're not that far off the mark. |
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It is exactly the same issue that Arizona ran into with it's anti-immigration law. US Citizens don't have to carry ID on them, if they don't want to. They don't have to have a driver's license, if they don't want to. And they don't have to speak English, if they don't want to.
Read the link I posted earlier. It specifies limited proficiency with the English language. The amount of English required for citizenship is less than proficient. Many people with English as a 2nd language are categorized as having limited English proficiency. To adopt an official language without running afoul of the Civil Rights act would require amending the act itself, and no politician anywhere wants to be rumored as having given thought to touching that. |


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I read the link, it is merely a policy. Policies can change tomorrow if we want them to, and that is merely a very loose interpretation of the ACTUAL language in the Civil Rights Act which says absolutely nothing specifically about an official language(s).
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| I personally think that the idea that people are incapable of learning a language as insulting to immigrants. What makes myself and my relatives so special that we can learn English, but they somehow inherently lack the intelligence to do the same? |

| Language is a skill, it is not an unalterable state linked to any particular race, gender, sexuality, etc. Whether your heritage is from Germany, France, Egypt, Nigeria, or Japan, you can learn to speak English. And as demonstrated, it is not an exercise that is fruitless. Being unable to speak English in the United States not only alienates one from the community but statistically places a tremendous barrier to economic advancement on the individual. Combine that with the costs to society as a whole and all the other issues already discussed, it is hardly a fruitless endeavor to make the investment to learn English. ![]() |
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An exercise then. Adopting an official religion would hold definite economic and social advantages. Where there are often 2, 3, 4 churches of different denominations in an area, there could be only one, releasing all that untaxed land back into the tax base. After all, religion isn't inherent, it's a choice that can be changed at any time, if one wants to. And to follow your argument, we'll go with the most predominant, so, everyone will be Catholic. Hows that for you? And of course, everyone will comply and it's not discriminatory, as it would just be a standard that applies to everyone.
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There is nothing in the constitution that expressly prohibits adoption of an official language.
Separation of church and state is though, so that is a poor analogy. Besides, I don't think learning English (which doesn't require abandoning your own language; I speak German with my relatives) and adopting a different religion are exactly analogous. ![]() |



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I don't have the inclination to find the information, but I would be willing to bet that the majority of American citizens don't trace their roots back to jolly old England, so why should we even speak English?
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Then there's India, also a British colony for a long time and I don't think English is their official language
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