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Besides, it already irks me that English isn't the official language of the US, but I'd be downright PO'd when calling the government if I had to press 2 for English.
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Besides, it already irks me that English isn't the official language of the US, but I'd be downright PO'd when calling the government if I had to press 2 for English.
By the way, the "official language" movement is also seen as racist by quite a few people, myself included.
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By the way, the "official language" movement is also seen as racist by quite a few people, myself included.
Sadly, I know that all too well. Every other country I've lived in had an official language (well Singapore aims for bilingual w/ English as the official working language), with great practical benefit... people in the same country can talk to one another and you don't have to produce books of official documents in various languages. There are dozens of popular languages spoken in China for example, but at least they were smart enough to pick a popular one, Mandarin, as the official language. But I digress....
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This is true as of the 2000 Census. It is down to 64.7% in the 2010 Census.
Woah, thats a huge shift, I hadn't been following that. Still point stands though, since its still the overall majority.
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By the way, the "official language" movement is also seen as racist by quite a few people, myself included.
I don't know enough about the "official language" movement to comment on whether I think its racist. I just wonder why this is the only wave of immigrants to enter this country (legally or illegally) to be catered to by having everything translated into their language instead of having to assimilate the way the other immigrants did and learn english. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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I don't know enough about the "official language" movement to comment on whether I think its racist. I just wonder why this is the only wave of immigrants to enter this country (legally or illegally) to be catered to by having everything translated into their language instead of having to assimilate the way the other immigrants did and learn english. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
No, you're right.

Historically, I believe the largest non-English speaking immigrant group were from Germany, outnumbering those of English heritage. While they brought over kindergartens, christmas trees, hotdogs, hamburgers, beer, and so forth, they quickly picked up English and became so assimilated that many wouldn't even recognize that Pershing, Eisenhower, Rockefeller, Boeing, Chrysler, Einstein, Babe Ruth, heck even Donald Trump (birther-crusader, lol) are of German heritage. Ultimately, like in the China example, it doesn't matter what you speak at home since their land is so very geographically and culturally diverse, as long as everyone in the country shares one official language in common. Considering English is the business language of the world and the most common tongue in the US, its a no-brainer IMO... and yet people still fight it every time it comes up. Ugh!
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No, you're right.

Historically, I believe the largest non-English speaking immigrant group were from Germany, outnumbering those of English heritage. While they brought over kindergartens, christmas trees, hotdogs, hamburgers, beer, and so forth, they quickly picked up English and became so assimilated that many wouldn't even recognize that Pershing, Eisenhower, Rockefeller, Boeing, Chrysler, Einstein, Babe Ruth, heck even Donald Trump (birther-crusader, lol) are of German heritage. Ultimately, like in the China example, it doesn't matter what you speak at home since their land is so very geographically and culturally diverse, as long as everyone in the country shares one official language in common. Considering English is the business language of the world and the most common tongue in the US, its a no-brainer IMO... and yet people still fight it every time it comes up. Ugh!
Actually, in many German communities, generations could live their lives without having to speak English. There were German language newspapers in all of the major urban areas. As in all immigrants, some in the later generations did move into the American culture and speak English. The Colorado Constitution required that copies of it be available in English, Spanish and German.

During the wars with Germany in the 20th century, German became a liability so English became predominant and the German newspapers disappeared.
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Sadly, I know that all too well. Every other country I've lived in had an official language (well Singapore aims for bilingual w/ English as the official working language), with great practical benefit... people in the same country can talk to one another and you don't have to produce books of official documents in various languages. There are dozens of popular languages spoken in China for example, but at least they were smart enough to pick a popular one, Mandarin, as the official language. But I digress....
And all of that completely misses the elephant in the room. None of those countries you mention subscribe to the US Constitution. They can do whatever THEIR constitutions allow them to do, regardless of how racist or discriminatory it is.
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I don't know enough about the "official language" movement to comment on whether I think its racist. I just wonder why this is the only wave of immigrants to enter this country (legally or illegally) to be catered to by having everything translated into their language instead of having to assimilate the way the other immigrants did and learn english. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Who said anything about immigrants? There are Inuits living in Alaska, born US citizens, that don't speak any English at all. The same is true with at least one small tribe of Hopi Indians living near Twentynine Palms, California. Those I've seen myself. I've heard of, but not seen, the same situation existing in Little Italy.

Immigrants already are required to learn a functional level of English to become citizens, but why should US Citizens be forced to learn a language other than what they grew up with? Are you going to tell US Citizens that their government will no longer serve them unless they learn another language. Or that they can't vote until they can read and understand the US Constitution in English. That was done before, you know...
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Immigrants already are required to learn a functional level of English to become citizens, but why should US Citizens be forced to learn a language other than what they grew up with?
Perhaps because there is tremendous practical benefit for a society to be able to communicate with one another, and its a lot easier to pick a dominant language that just so happens to be the world business language to boot as a means of communication.

I'm fluent in English and German, loose conversational in Spanish, and basic understanding of Mandarin, and let me tell you that learning four languages is WAY hard enough as it is, and that isn't going to cover everything in the mixing pot that is the US. With an official language, you only need to be bilingual at most for everyone to communicate. And the administrative cost would be greatly reduced being able to share information w/ a unified language... just about every developed country has figured this out. Not quite sure how such an obvious benefit is "racist" or somehow violates the constitution.

Imagine if everyone on this forum was talking at each other in various languages!
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Perhaps because there is tremendous practical benefit for a society to be able to communicate with one another, and its a lot easier to pick a dominant language that just so happens to be the world business language to boot as a means of communication.
So you support discriminating against citizens for practical benefit?

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I'm fluent in English and German, loose conversational in Spanish, and basic understanding of Mandarin, and let me tell you that learning four languages is WAY hard enough as it is, and that isn't going to cover everything in the mixing pot that is the US. With an official language, you only need to be bilingual at most for everyone to communicate. And the administrative cost would be greatly reduced being able to share information w/ a unified language... just about every developed country has figured this out. Not quite sure how such an obvious benefit is "racist" or somehow violates the constitution.
In my case it's English and Spanish, conversational Japanese and just enough Tagolog to know not to order the Balut. Administrative cost are dropping every day, as forms are going online with translator tools on both ends to translate it to the language of who happens to be filling it out or reading it. Having an official language would not violate the Constitution, but forcing people to learn it or withholding government services for not speaking it would. And if they didn't learn it, then non-English speakers could be robbed of their rights of due process or litigation as there would no longer be a requirement to supply interpreters or translators.

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Imagine if everyone on this forum was talking at each other in various languages!
We do it all the time. Imagine how long this forum would last if everyone were told they couldn't.
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So you support discriminating against citizens for practical benefit?
Setting a single standard for all citizens is not discriminatory, sorry.
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if they didn't learn it, then non-English speakers could be robbed of their rights of due process or litigation as there would no longer be a requirement to supply interpreters or translators.
Simple solution: Learn it. Surely you aren't arguing they are incapable. Besides, 33 states already have English as the official language on a state level, and an official language works for just about everyone else. The only developed countries I know of that don't have an official or national language are the US, Australia, and Mexico... pretty exclusive company.

OK, I'll be quiet now before the thread gets more derailed!
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I rather doubt that declaring an official language is going to change anything. I live in Germany, which has one, and there are hundreds of thousands of people here who don't speak German at all, or no more than a few words. It's particularly true among Turks, Russians, Arabs and Americans. The number of kids born and schooled here who don't have an adequate command of German is pretty appalling (I'm a teacher).
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I spend six weeks going to school in Japan every year and have lived there with a bf long-term in the past so my language skills are fairly fluent. But to stay on topic, not being as well informed of the situation in this country , the government has been talking about tightening its 3 year work visa conditions by requiring applicants for contract labor and the like to pass a language test. It is a nod to reality on two levels: One, that Japan must increase immigration. Two, that increasing immigration is publicly unpopular. So, they are nipping fears in the bud by addressing one complaint leveled at immigrants, viz. “We can't communicate with them,” before looking at an expansion of immigration or short-term visa issuances.

Which is politically motivated in the same way that the U.S. talks about adopting English as an official language and stopping Mexicans from coming over the border, but no serious steps are taken in either case. It's bad for businesses that need cheap, uneducated, unskilled labor. A country shouldn't use another country's people to do its dirty work and then start criticizing them or making demands of them. There is a price for everything that is done and the Japanese can have cheap labor with a small social problem or more expensive labor which integrates more fully. If they insist these folks speak Japanese, they will gravitate toward better jobs and they will lose workers. That's not a judgment about whether having those skills is better or worse for the country but a fact of the way labor will flow. Who would work in a factory when they can communicate well enough to work in an office and are in a country under a visa status which gives them the freedom to do so?
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Setting a single standard for all citizens is not discriminatory, sorry.
Of course it is. The entire concept behind freedom is that no one, anyone, has to comply to any "standard". If you look at how laws are written, they are restrictive on how a persons actions will affect other people. (speeding endangers others, robbery affects others, etc.) But no one has to comply with any form of group standard. To impose a standard on anyone who does not hold that standard is discrimination.

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Simple solution: Learn it. Surely you aren't arguing they are incapable. Besides, 33 states already have English as the official language on a state level, and an official language works for just about everyone else. The only developed countries I know of that don't have an official or national language are the US, Australia, and Mexico... pretty exclusive company.
And each and every one of those states still offer services in multiple languages...go figure They discovered that even though they have an "official language", they cannot withhold services, nor can they force anyone to learn it. How exactly is that working?
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They discovered that even though they have an "official language", they cannot withhold services, nor can they force anyone to learn it. How exactly is that working?
"Discovered?" The only place the "discovered" any such thing was in a decree handed down by some judge after they were sued by some incensed minority group.
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"Discovered?" The only place the "discovered" any such thing was in a decree handed down by some judge after they were sued by some incensed minority group.
Exactly. That's how it works. People try something unconstitutional, it goes to court, and a determination is made as to whether it's constitutional or not. In this case...not.

eta: Personally, I think that those 33 states should enforce their "official language" laws. It would do wonders for easing the National debt, as according to the civil rights act of '64, all their discriminating agencies can be cut off from Federal Funding. At 33 states, that would be saving lots and lots of monies.
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A language is something that anyone can learn, just like basic math, and is in fact required in the public school system. It doesn't matter what your gender, color, age, or creed, you can learn a language, and setting an official language does not single out or discriminate on any group as it is a universal condition that applies to anyone that anyone can achieve (now granted my mom still has a heavy accent, but she's proficient enough).

For immigrants to apply for citizenship they have to show proficiency in English for obvious reasons, and those immigrants that do not are merely guests of the state (in many cases, unwelcome guests violating US law), and it is no more reasonable for a guest here to expect the US to cater to their language limitations than it is for me to expect Japan, China, or Spain to communicate with me in English... if I need a translator, that is my responsibility which is by no means unreasonable.

Eighty-four percent (84%) of Americans say English should be the official language of the United States. Only nine percent (9%) disagree, according to a new Rasmussen Reports, demonstrating an overwhelming public demand that has not been met by representatives.

The United States is unquestionably in a budget crisis. Since English is not our official language, the government must make documents in every language to accommodate the needs of its people. This includes translation services, signs, ballots, and other documents. Canada has only two official languages: English and French, therefore their governments are required to reproduce documents in those languages. Their government spends $260 million each year to conduct affairs in both languages and accounts for less than one percent of their annual budget. In terms of the United States, if they were to use the same percentage of the budget, expenses would yarn for $3.8 billion. This is $3.8 billion that could be put into the school system. Furthermore, the Canadian government spends approximately $24 per person in language expenses, if the United States were to do this it would be approximately $5.7 billion. That is assuming that the US were able to limit its translation services to only two official languages (English and Spanish for example). The cost of language translation has affected countries in the European Union, which includes 25 countries and 20 languages. The documents in the union have to be translated into 380 different languages. Governments within the union must limit their documents to fifteen pages or less to manage translation fees. Translators in the union story for eight percent of the entire staff with 1,800 people. The annual cost for the translation services alone was $1.6 billion.

Simply put, a country comprised almost exclusively of immigrants has to be able to communicate with one another, and it is unreasonable and impractical to expect everyone to learn dozens of languages to achieve this. An inability of a society to communicate with one another affects not only solidarity of its people but commerce, individuals unable to speak the common tongue are at tremendous economic disadvantage, and the cost of a government to lack an official language are billions that can be put towards far more economically fruitful endeavors, first and foremost of which should be to pay off the overwhelming national debt to reduce the burden on our children.

There is also no reason that emergency services and public safety would have to discontinue multi-lingual support, as that can be governed entirely separately and is still of vital interest to guests of the nation.

In fact, you don't even have to call it "English", but make it patriotic and unique by calling it "American" since there are subtle differences in pronunciation and vocabulary.
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English is one of the most difficult languages to learn with different spellings of words sounding the same but meaning something different. Oh the headaches for someone trying to learn English.

Read some of the posts here and you'll see many "English-speaking" folks that do not know how or when to use different words such as "to" and "too". Fortunately the other "two" is more clearly defined. Don't even get me started on spelling. So, that being said, English is NOT that easy to learn even for those born in North America so why should we "assume" it is easy to learn for immigrants?

Canada has 2 prime languages and I don't have a problem choosing 1 or 2 for English or French - it takes but a second and everyone is happy. I grew up in a bilingual Province (NB) and never thought for a moment about all the road signs being bilinigual. I honestly don't know what the big deal is always about. I even understand Quebec wanting to maintain their French heritage. I don't understand why they would want to separate from the rest of Canada but that's another issue.
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I don't think anyone implied that English is the simplest language, but it can be learned by anyone, it is already in overwhelming distribution in the United States (poll shows 96% claim to speak English "very well"), and it is the international language of business. Put a group of wordly Chinese, Filipino, Germans, French, and Nigerians together and they will speak English with one another to communicate, so it is of obvious interest to promote English above other languages in the United States to support national unity, commerce, and great cost savings which are especially important of late.

Canada having only two official languages as demonstrated may not be cheap, but it is still a huge cost savings over NO official language, which the United States is one of less than a handful of developed countries in the world to lack.

Since the overwhelming opposition appears to be from Hispanic special interest groups, if setting the US official language to English and Spanish would allow for the bill to be passed for once, I would support it. Its not ideal for all the reasons already highlighted before, but it'd still be a huge improvement over what we have now IMO.
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Still missing the point. The Civil Rights Act quite plainly spells out that you cannot use language as a means to discriminate, period. Jurisdictions such as states have adopted "official language" for absolutely no other reason than that state's politicians at the time were attempting to pander votes from their conservative base. However, for any of those jurisdictions to attempt to actually enforce imposing a single language system would result in a loss of Federal Funding to any office or division that does so. Entire divisions, even if they have only 1 out of 100 discriminatory programs, lose everything.

And the requirement by the Department of Education is for "English Language Arts", which is nothing more than studying works such as Poe, Kipling or Voltaire...all of which, by the way, are available in multiple languages.

And last but not least, the US is a NOT a democracy. It is a Federal Constitutional Republic. It has often been said that democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on whats for dinner. In a Federal Constitutional Republic in which the Constitution protects everyone equally, then 96% of the nations wolves cannot approve to harm 1 lamb in any fashion.
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Still missing the point. The Civil Rights Act quite plainly spells out that you cannot use language as a means to discriminate, period.
I don't see what I am missing.

For one, an amendment can be made at any time if there is political support behind the movement, which there is at almost every session due to obvious benefits.

It is also entirely up to legal interpretation as to whether not an official language is discrimination, since it sets a single standard for all citizens that no citizen is precluded from meeting. Language is not an inherent trait, but a skill that those of average intelligence can achieve (the idea that non-native speakers are incapable of learning English is ludicrous), the same as a driver's license.

"no person in the United States shall, on the ground of race, color or national origin, be excluded from participation in, be denied benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any program or activity receiving federal financial assistance."
^ says nothing with regard to an official language.
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Jurisdictions such as states have adopted "official language" for absolutely no other reason than that state's politicians at the time were attempting to pander votes from their conservative base.
Are you claiming that the latest Rasmussen poll showing 88% support for English as the official language is inaccurate, or that 88% of the country is not only conservative but united on this issue? Rasmussen Reports is amongst the most accurate and reputable polling agencies.
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However, for any of those jurisdictions to attempt to actually enforce imposing a single language system would result in a loss of Federal Funding to any office or division that does so. Entire divisions, even if they have only 1 out of 100 discriminatory programs, lose everything.
We have well seen how liberal special interest groups have abused the legal system, so I have no doubt that lawyers can do damage. However, they would have no case if English were adopted as the official language on a federal level.
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I don't see what I am missing.

For one, an amendment can be made at any time if there is political support behind the movement, which there is at almost every session due to obvious benefits.

It is also entirely up to legal interpretation as to whether not an official language is discrimination, since it sets a single standard for all citizens that no citizen is precluded from meeting. Language is not an inherent trait, but a skill that those of average intelligence can achieve (the idea that non-native speakers are incapable of learning English is ludicrous), the same as a driver's license.

"no person in the United States shall, on the ground of race, color or national origin, be excluded from participation in, be denied benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any program or activity receiving federal financial assistance."
^ says nothing with regard to an official language.
It would appear the government disagrees with you.
http://www.archives.gov/eeo/laws/title-vi.html

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Are you claiming that the latest Rasmussen poll showing 88% support for English as the official language is inaccurate, or that 88% of the country is not only conservative but united on this issue? Rasmussen Reports is amongst the most accurate and reputable polling agencies.
I'm saying I have no faith in polls at all, since the last one's we were watching had Obama losing badly a week before the election.

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We have well seen how liberal special interest groups have abused the legal system, so I have no doubt that lawyers can do damage. However, they would have no case if English were adopted as the official language on a federal level.
And what is the relevance to this? English hasn't been adopted as the official language on the Federal level, which means, still, if states want Federal Funding, they serve ALL there citizens equally. Vote-chasing politicians introduce a bill every year for an "official language", and every year it's kicked to the curb. As politicians are selected by vote, you'd think a united majority could vote in enough of them to pass such a thing.
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It would appear the government disagrees with you.
http://www.archives.gov/eeo/laws/title-vi.html
Yes, that is the current policy. No one has claimed otherwise to date. The thread is asking the question, "Should there be an official language in the US like in just about every other country?", not any claims that it is current policy.

Policy can change at any time, it just needs popular support and representatives that heed the people's will and exercise their authority to make it happen.

This movement has been gaining steam as communication barriers have become more and more apparent due to a recent increase in non-English speaking residents and the financial, commercial, and other burdens this places on communities.

And again, we both agree 100% that people should not be treated differently based on race, gender, age, etc. The only thing we seem to disagree on, is that treating them exactly the same under a single standard that any person can meet is somehow "not equal". We're not that far off the mark.
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Yes, that is the current policy. No one has claimed otherwise to date. The thread is asking the question, "Should there be an official language in the US like in just about every other country?", not any claims that it is current policy.

Policy can change at any time, it just needs popular support and representatives that heed the people's will and exercise their authority to make it happen.

This movement has been gaining steam as communication barriers have become more and more apparent due to a recent increase in non-English speaking residents and the financial, commercial, and other burdens this places on communities.

And again, we both agree 100% that people should not be treated differently based on race, gender, age, etc. The only thing we seem to disagree on, is that treating them exactly the same under a single standard that any person can meet is somehow "not equal". We're not that far off the mark.
It is exactly the same issue that Arizona ran into with it's anti-immigration law. US Citizens don't have to carry ID on them, if they don't want to. They don't have to have a driver's license, if they don't want to. And they don't have to speak English, if they don't want to.

Read the link I posted earlier. It specifies limited proficiency with the English language. The amount of English required for citizenship is less than proficient. Many people with English as a 2nd language are categorized as having limited English proficiency. To adopt an official language without running afoul of the Civil Rights act would require amending the act itself, and no politician anywhere wants to be rumored as having given thought to touching that.
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It is exactly the same issue that Arizona ran into with it's anti-immigration law. US Citizens don't have to carry ID on them, if they don't want to. They don't have to have a driver's license, if they don't want to. And they don't have to speak English, if they don't want to.

Read the link I posted earlier. It specifies limited proficiency with the English language. The amount of English required for citizenship is less than proficient. Many people with English as a 2nd language are categorized as having limited English proficiency. To adopt an official language without running afoul of the Civil Rights act would require amending the act itself, and no politician anywhere wants to be rumored as having given thought to touching that.
I read the link, it is merely a policy. Policies can change tomorrow if we want them to, and that is merely a very loose interpretation of the ACTUAL language in the Civil Rights Act which says absolutely nothing specifically about an official language(s).

I personally think that the idea that people are incapable of learning a language as insulting to immigrants. What makes myself and my relatives so special that we can learn English, but they somehow inherently lack the intelligence to do the same?

Language is a skill, it is not an unalterable state linked to any particular race, gender, sexuality, etc. Whether your heritage is from Germany, France, Egypt, Nigeria, or Japan, you can learn to speak English. And as demonstrated, there is a great ROI for learning English.

Being unable to speak English in the United States not only alienates one from the community but statistically places a tremendous barrier to economic advancement on the individual. Combine that with the costs to society as a whole and all the other issues already discussed, it is hardly a fruitless endeavor to make the investment.
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I read the link, it is merely a policy. Policies can change tomorrow if we want them to, and that is merely a very loose interpretation of the ACTUAL language in the Civil Rights Act which says absolutely nothing specifically about an official language(s).
The enormous question there being, who is "we"?

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I personally think that the idea that people are incapable of learning a language as insulting to immigrants. What makes myself and my relatives so special that we can learn English, but they somehow inherently lack the intelligence to do the same?
No one, other than you, has said at any time anyone is incapable of learning. They do not have to learn it if they don't want too. And those that do learn it don't have to use it, if they don't want to. Folks around these parts call that "Freedom".

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Language is a skill, it is not an unalterable state linked to any particular race, gender, sexuality, etc. Whether your heritage is from Germany, France, Egypt, Nigeria, or Japan, you can learn to speak English. And as demonstrated, it is not an exercise that is fruitless.

Being unable to speak English in the United States not only alienates one from the community but statistically places a tremendous barrier to economic advancement on the individual. Combine that with the costs to society as a whole and all the other issues already discussed, it is hardly a fruitless endeavor to make the investment to learn English.
An exercise then. Adopting an official religion would hold definite economic and social advantages. Where there are often 2, 3, 4 churches of different denominations in an area, there could be only one, releasing all that untaxed land back into the tax base. After all, religion isn't inherent, it's a choice that can be changed at any time, if one wants to. And to follow your argument, we'll go with the most predominant, so, everyone will be Catholic. Hows that for you? And of course, everyone will comply and it's not discriminatory, as it would just be a standard that applies to everyone.
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An exercise then. Adopting an official religion would hold definite economic and social advantages. Where there are often 2, 3, 4 churches of different denominations in an area, there could be only one, releasing all that untaxed land back into the tax base. After all, religion isn't inherent, it's a choice that can be changed at any time, if one wants to. And to follow your argument, we'll go with the most predominant, so, everyone will be Catholic. Hows that for you? And of course, everyone will comply and it's not discriminatory, as it would just be a standard that applies to everyone.
There is nothing in the constitution that expressly prohibits adoption of an official language.

Separation of church and state is though, so that is a poor analogy. Besides, I don't think learning English (which doesn't require abandoning your own language; I speak German with my relatives) and adopting a different religion are exactly analogous.
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There is nothing in the constitution that expressly prohibits adoption of an official language.

Separation of church and state is though, so that is a poor analogy. Besides, I don't think learning English (which doesn't require abandoning your own language; I speak German with my relatives) and adopting a different religion are exactly analogous.
You seem to be backtracking to avoid answering the question. You said yourself that we can amend, we can change, we can yada yada with popular support and politicians that will do the deed. So, we can remove that pesky religion thing.

So, how would that universal standard sit with you?

BTW, you do realize that both the words "official" and "language" are French, right?
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I believe the reason that the US doesn't have an official language goes back to the founding of this country through today where people from all over the world come here to find freedom and opportunity. Not to mention the Native Americans people that were here first. They don't call this country "The Melting Pot" for nothing. I don't have the inclination to find the information, but I would be willing to bet that the majority of American citizens don't trace their roots back to jolly old England, so why should we even speak English? Heck, Canada was a British territory for much longer than we were and in some places they speak more French than English! Egads!!! The NERVE of them! Then there's India, also a British colony for a long time and I don't think English is their official language

Anyhoo, I believe the reason we do not have an official language is more a matter of principle than anything- this is the land of freedom, so why should we demand that anyone do anything in order to have their rights? Having to press 1 doesn't bother me in the slightest, mostly because I don't think they, whomever they are, are "taking over the country". WASPs still have the majority, no need to freak out
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Originally Posted by katiemae1277 View Post
I don't have the inclination to find the information, but I would be willing to bet that the majority of American citizens don't trace their roots back to jolly old England, so why should we even speak English?
Because its the accepted universal language of business internationally, and it is already the overwhelmingly common tongue as shown in the poll with 96% claiming they speak English "very well". Thus it makes far more sense than the second most common language, Spanish, which only hovers around 10% adoption.
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Originally Posted by katiemae1277 View Post
Then there's India, also a British colony for a long time and I don't think English is their official language
Its not about heritage, but yes, English and Hindi are the official languages of India.

Adopting English as an official language in India has brought tremendous economic benefit (quite simply, the vast majority of their international business would be lost if English use weren't widespread), and is a necessity in a country with 29 common languages for people of different regions to communicate and trade and retain unity. Considering the United States also has a myriad of common tongues as a country of immigrants, if anything the need is even greater than India's from a PRACTICAL standpoint.
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