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post #91 of 103
5/1/11 at 8:06pm
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp View Post
I don't see why gas prices are such a big thing. All people have to do is get gas money from exactly the same places they were saying the poor could get money to buy their own health insurance. No problems.
True. They can get that money from the public at large, just as the poor are insured by the public at large.

Actually, the big problem with gas/diesel prices is that they affect everything else. Diesel is now at $4.00 per gallon plus, and that makes it about 70 cents per mile just for fuel for a truck to go down the road. Truckers are nice guys, but they move that cost to the shipper/receiver. Most current freight rates were negotiated with fuel at $1.25 per gallon, and the other $2.75 has to be recovered in a fuel surcharge of, currently, about 55 cents per mile. That means a load of grapefruit to New York now costs about $1000 more than it did originally. (And fuel hasn't been at $1.25 for a long time, so fuel surcharges have been in place for a long time.) If you assume a truckload of grapefruit is about 50,000 grapefruits, that means each one has to cost 2 cents more. Doesn't sound like much, but it all adds up.

The rise in fuel and gas prices, in my opinion, actually cause the big crash two years ago, when people who were in iffy financial shape were pushed over the edge by high gas prices.
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post #92 of 103
5/2/11 at 1:18am
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Originally Posted by zohdee View Post
Well, I don't think Obama has anything in the bag. Gas prices are higher under him that they ever were under Bush and that is a huge thing. Unemployment is still very high.

Hope and change just didn't happen.
I'm curious as to why gas pricing right now is Obama's fault. I thought it had something to do with the unrest in the Middle East. Oh, wait, yes, Obama is responsible for that too!
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post #93 of 103
5/2/11 at 4:38am
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Originally Posted by Yosemite View Post
I'm curious as to why gas pricing right now is Obama's fault. I thought it had something to do with the unrest in the Middle East. Oh, wait, yes, Obama is responsible for that too!
Because everything is his fault including the type of birth certificate that the DOH in Hawaii issues.
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post #94 of 103
5/2/11 at 4:51am
The President = gas prices is just a political ploy, the Democrats did the same thing to Bush. It's the market, the very heart of capitalism. We either have a market based economy, or we don't.

Demanding controlled prices in a capitalist country even while decrying socialism is just stupid.
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post #95 of 103
5/2/11 at 5:24am
The problem this time, as last time, is speculation. Bush could have, and Obama should issue an executive order increasing the margin on fuel accounts. Market experts say it's an easy solution.

But my guess is Obama wants to tread very lightly anywhere he could be accused of "nationalizing" our economy.
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post #96 of 103
5/2/11 at 6:08am
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Originally Posted by Rockcat View Post
Because everything is his fault including the type of birth certificate that the DOH in Hawaii issues.
Ah, yes, of course.

There are some who believe that we in the Western world want to save all our own oil resources and use up all the mid-east oil first before tapping into our own. Food for thought.

BTW, here in Canada we also have a long and short version of Birth Certificates and if a long form were needed for any reason, we must order it and pay for it.
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post #97 of 103
5/2/11 at 7:09am
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp View Post
The President = gas prices is just a political ploy, the Democrats did the same thing to Bush. It's the market, the very heart of capitalism. We either have a market based economy, or we don't.

Demanding controlled prices in a capitalist country even while decrying socialism is just stupid.
A president tried controlling gas prices. In the 1970s, it resulted lines of people waiting at stations which had no gas available at the pumps.
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post #98 of 103
5/2/11 at 7:35am
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Originally Posted by katachtig View Post
A president tried controlling gas prices. In the 1970s, it resulted lines of people waiting at stations which had no gas available at the pumps.
Yes - I remember that. Gas rationing. You were only allowed to buy gas every other day, determined by the last digit on your license plate, if I remember correctly. There was a lot of waiting at the pump. I think I waited around 45 minutes.
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post #99 of 103
5/2/11 at 7:41am
Most of us learned in Economics 101 that the surest way to drive down the supply of anything is to artificially control its price.

Too bad Nixon wasn't paying attention at the time. We also have that era to blame for expensive medical insurance (it was a way to get around wage controls) and car rebates (it was a way to circumvent price controls; you could only raise the price on new models, so the manufacturers raised the prices a lot at the beginning of the model year, then rebated down to the price they really wanted to charge).
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post #100 of 103
5/2/11 at 8:17am
I'm making my prediction now. I predict that even if Trump never makes an official go of running for President that he will get at least 10,000 write in votes on election day.

I'll decide later what odds I'm going to give.
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post #101 of 103
5/17/11 at 6:45am
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp View Post
I'm making my prediction now. I predict that even if Trump never makes an official go of running for President that he will get at least 10,000 write in votes on election day.

I'll decide later what odds I'm going to give.
It appears that those who called Trump's presidential "aspirations" a publicity stunt are the winners. He even plugged his show as part of the announcement that he would not run.

I'm sticking by my prediction though.
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post #102 of 103
5/21/11 at 5:43am
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Originally Posted by Ducman69 View Post
Every president to date has had to submit their birth certificate, even when there was absolutely no question of their origin of birth.

In Obama's case, there was a question, and this should have been produced immediately long ago and taken a matter of minutes to pull up. I mean, who DOESN'T have a copy of their birth certificate, especially if you're running for president? Why did people have to BEG for it in the first place over and over for so very long?

The only reason I can think of that he would have been so amazingly adamant to withhold it is that it shows his mother was 17 when she was pregnant with him on his birth certificate, which would point out the statutory rape of his mother.

If that was the embarrassment he was trying to conceal, I do feel bad about that as it is a personal matter, but you can't blame people for asking "Why is the birth certificate top secret" since it could have meant his immediate impeachment if he were actually born in Africa.
IIRC he did produce his birth certificate but it was not good enough for the Birthers. Even the state of Hawaii claimed the birth certificate he submitted was authentic. The Birthers, in particularly Donald Trump and high placed members in the Tea Party then decided they wanted the "long form" of his birth certificate. Obama was pretty brilliant by producing it just days before nailing bin Laden.

The entire thing is nothing but a bunch of nonsense IMO.
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post #103 of 103
5/21/11 at 10:27am
Totally random, but it just caught my eye:
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shows his mother was 17 when she was pregnant with him on his birth certificate, which would point out the statutory rape of his mother.
Did it count as statutory rape back then in Hawaii? I know here (and in most states), 16 is the age of consent, although in some states I think it might depend on how much older the guy is (like, if he's 19=OK, if he's 45=not OK).
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