What Does A Government Shut-Down Mean?

ldg · Apr 9, 2011

Originally Posted by KittKatt

Do you know what the compromise is, Laurie? I heard bits & pieces about it last night on MSNBC, but not enough to know what the impact will be.

No, I don't. I tend to pay attention to economics, not politics. Politics interests me to the extent that it affects the economy LOL.

carolpetunia · Apr 10, 2011

Originally Posted by Misty8723

I just heard that for us where I work, if we are working on Federal projects and get a "stop work" order, we go home and use our vacation! I don't think it will affect me, because most of my projects are private industry, but I do have some Federal and others in the office are strictly Federal, so we'll see what happens.

i wish the Tea Party would quit trying to push their ideology on us and just get on with passing a budget! Worry about defunding planned parenthood later if that's what they're hell bent on doing. I really think people are going to regret voting these idiots into office in the last election.

Originally Posted by Misty8723

I say Tea Party because they are the ones holding out for Ideology (Planned Parenthood - which makes very little sense other than a gesture to make their base think they're doing something. It also has absolutely nothing to do with cutting costs because its so minute compared to stuff they could be targeting). The Democrats apparently did much more compromising than the Republicans. Not saying any of them are anything wonderful, but if I had to point a finger of blame, it would be toward the Republicans / new Tea Party members.

Misty, you're my hero!

Since I'm such a well-known hothead, I was afraid to be any more direct about what I meant in my post above... but you covered it beautifully, and you also set straight the (carefully orchestrated) misconception about abortion funding. Thanks!

It's a shame that a lot of Americans are so frustrated that they just give up and conclude they can't trust anybody. There are good people in Washington! You can tell them apart from the rest by the way they seek to be more inclusive, rather than exclusive... and the way they work to inform and empower us, rather than using fear to herd us like sheep.

In politics and in life, it seems to me that good things (and good people) are always driven by hope, rather than fear.

Winchester · Apr 10, 2011

You're right and I apologize. There are good people in Washington. Unfortunately, they can't get anything done right now because of all the idiots there. And I am frustrated, very frustrated.

The Baggers scare the crap out of me. It's not about cutting costs, not in the slightest.

misty8723 · Apr 10, 2011

Originally Posted by zohdee

I am against Planned Parenthood providing abortions. I think that is a huge issue. I don't want my tax payer dollars going to that. Education and birth control yes...abortions..no.

I just wonder when people will take personal responsibility. You screw up...don't ask the government to fix it for you or to provide a cheap way out.

Sorry, my dime should not provide abortions.

No taxpayer money goes to fund abortions.

Planned Parenthood accounts for .0083% of the entire federal budget.

So though the fight over Planned Parenthood might be about abortion, Planned Parenthood itself isnâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]t about abortion. Itâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]s primarily about contraception and reproductive health. And if Planned Parenthood loses funding, what will mainly happen is that cancer screenings and contraception and STD testing will become less available to poorer people. Folks with more money, of course, have many other ways to receive all these services, and tend to get them elsewhere already.

http://thelastword.msnbc.msn.com/

Scroll down through the article to see the chart which explains what Planned Parenthood does. I'm not pro-abortion, but I am pro choice. Its not the government's business to tell anybody they can't have a legal procedure. However, I think Planned Parenthood is a great way to prevent abortions because they are about reproductive health and contraception. This is just a smokescreen issue to get the anti-choice people on their side.

misty8723 · Apr 10, 2011

Originally Posted by CarolPetunia

Misty, you're my hero!

Since I'm such a well-known hothead, I was afraid to be any more direct about what I meant in my post above... but you covered it beautifully, and you also set straight the (carefully orchestrated) misconception about abortion funding. Thanks!

It's a shame that a lot of Americans are so frustrated that they just give up and conclude they can't trust anybody. There are good people in Washington! You can tell them apart from the rest by the way they seek to be more inclusive, rather than exclusive... and the way they work to inform and empower us, rather than using fear to herd us like sheep.

In politics and in life, it seems to me that good things (and good people) are always driven by hope, rather than fear.

Ha! I can be a hothead too as they could probably tell you over on IMO, where I don't hang out much anymore.

Yes, I do think there are some good people in Washington, but I see where this country is heading, and I see that most people aren't bothering to dig any deeper than the retoric. I would count myself in that category before I "woke up" prior to this last presidential election.

I guess people like you and me need to keep on trying to educate and hope some people will start opening their eyes to what's really going on before its too late.

kittkatt · Apr 10, 2011

Originally Posted by Misty8723

I guess people like you and me need to keep on trying to educate and hope some people will start opening their eyes to what's really going on before its too late.

I myself wouldn't mind a little educating from you, Carol, or anyone else who cares to contribute. I'm not totally blind when it comes to politics, but there's a lot that I don't know. Sometimes I prefer not to know. The world is getting to be a seriously frightening place and it scares the crap out of me sometimes..

essayons89 · Apr 10, 2011

I'm 'Mr. Negativity' on the site when it comes to politicians.

I know there are well meaning politicians in Washington, but they don't get much of a chance to succeed when they have to go up against the "good ole boy network".

feralvr · Apr 10, 2011

Originally Posted by KittKatt

I myself wouldn't mind a little educating from you, Carol, or anyone else who cares to contribute. I'm not totally blind when it comes to politics, but there's a lot that I don't know. Sometimes I prefer not to know. The world is getting to be a seriously frightening place and it scares the crap out of me sometimes..

Add me to the list

. It's a scary world out there. I think I'll just stay home with my cats.

carolpetunia · Apr 11, 2011

Originally Posted by Winchester

You're right and I apologize. There are good people in Washington. Unfortunately, they can't get anything done right now because of all the idiots there. And I am frustrated, very frustrated.

The Baggers scare the crap out of me. It's not about cutting costs, not in the slightest.

No apology necessary! It's an understandable reaction, especially when we all feel so powerless. As for the Baggers -- you're so right to be scared. Those people have no idea what America is about. Either they've never even read the Constitution, or they're just hoping the voters haven't. (Which, I shudder to think, may be the case more often than not.)

Originally Posted by Misty8723

...I'm not pro-abortion, but I am pro choice. Its not the government's business to tell anybody they can't have a legal procedure. However, I think Planned Parenthood is a great way to prevent abortions because they are about reproductive health and contraception. This is just a smokescreen issue to get the anti-choice people on their side.

Full agreement here -- and good work! I've never heard it stated quite so clearly.

Originally Posted by KittKatt

I myself wouldn't mind a little educating from you, Carol, or anyone else who cares to contribute. I'm not totally blind when it comes to politics, but there's a lot that I don't know. Sometimes I prefer not to know. The world is getting to be a seriously frightening place and it scares the crap out of me sometimes..

I don't mean to set myself up as an expert on politics -- I'm really not. I just try to pay very close attention to multiple news sources, to make sure I'm not falling for anybody's lies and distortions, or missing any nuances. (And Fox doesn't count as a news source. They lie constantly, even about facts that are easy to check -- because they know their viewers won't bother.)

You said "Sometimes I prefer not to know," and boy, do I understand that! That's why I didn't become a lawyer or go into politics myself -- because being surrounded every day by so much injustice and corruption is just more than I could bear.

But as you also said, "the world is getting to be a seriously frightening place." That's why I'm so outspoken now, instead of the nice polite girl I used to be. I'm truly afraid that America may have run its course, y'know? Maybe this has been an experiment to see how long a nation based on such high ideals can survive before greed and corruption finally drag it completely down into the mud. How long before not enough of us can even remember what Thomas Jefferson envisioned for this country?

Originally Posted by Essayons89

I'm 'Mr. Negativity' on the site when it comes to politicians.

I know there are well meaning politicians in Washington, but they don't get much of a chance to succeed when they have to go up against the "good ole boy network".

You're right -- the good ol' boys who lie and scheme and play dirty tricks with no apparent shame whatsoever... they make it very difficult for politicians with principles to be effective. But that's where we can make a difference! Instead of throwing up our hands and saying to hell with the whole lot of 'em, we've got to stand rock-solid behind the good ones -- or even the less-bad ones, when that's the only option. Because if we do nothing, the bad guys will win every time.

Originally Posted by Feralvr

Add me to the list

. It's a scary world out there. I think I'll just stay home with my cats.

Yup, me too... except when there's an election. Or a caucus. Or a protest march!

mrblanche · Apr 11, 2011

Originally Posted by Willowy

The newspaper said it would impact driver's license renewals, road repair, and home loans. I'm not sure what else would happen. Last time they did it, when my dad was still in the Navy, he didn't get his paycheck (that week; he still was paid for all the work he did, but not until the next payday) because the payroll people weren't working. . .

Driver's license renewals? That's a state operation, shouldn't be affected.

Road repair? Only on those projects that have federal funding. No federal money in your local potholes.

Home loans? Only if it's government guaranteed, such as FHA or VA.

What usually happens is that a lot of government workers go home for a while (it's been up to two weeks, in the past), but they get paid for it, eventually, so it just means a free vacation for them.

mrblanche · Apr 11, 2011

Originally Posted by CarolPetunia

And Fox doesn't count as a news source. They lie constantly, even about facts that are easy to check -- because they know their viewers won't bother.

That's odd. Mr. Obama disagrees with you; he recognized Fox as a valid news source, albeit with a point of view, and no worse than MSNBC.

essayons89 · Apr 11, 2011

All of the major media outlets are biased in one fashion or another. The way they lean depends on who owns them and where the money goes. The media will either ignore or gloss over certain events if the large mega-corporations that own the network have a financial interest at stake. It's all about the Benjamins.

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