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post #31 of 53
Ok, that is fine with the crate. Fill it with the leaves and put the babies inside for now and just leave her be for the time being.

The rope attached to the door and through the side is an excellent plan, but not with the babies inside as it would be too jarring for them. I trapped a cat that way a couple of years ago when I didn't have a trap. The rope was about fifteen feet long and when the cat went in the crate to eat, I pulled that rope so fast and tight. You have to keep that rope tight till the crate reaches you and latch it shut. Wear gloves!!!! You must be quick with the rope. And this might take a few days, maybe not. It is true, if she was totally feral, she would not have brought the babies near you. She knows you are trying to help her!!!!!! That is a good thing. Yes, the best thing now is to trap her and put her in a room in your house with her babies with all of the necessities and then go to plan B. Plan A is to get her trapped!!! What is Plan B?????? YIKES Let's get through Plan A first.

Since the babies are in the crate at the moment, could you just borrow a trap from a rescue??? Then you could trap mom that way. And then bring the crate inside with the babies. Are you sure there are only three and she didn't leave one somewhere else in the yard?
post #32 of 53
Has mom cat been with the kittens in the crate yet? If not, they need warmth very quickly. Do you have a heating pad? You can set the crate on the heating pad and put some warm blankets in the crate surrounding them. My concern now is that mom cat might be spooked and not care for the little ones properly and it is still vey cold here in Illinois still. I would go out and pick up some kitten milk replacer just to be prepared.
post #33 of 53
Is this carrier still outside? If so, you need to bring it indoors or the kittens will die. They have to be warm and if mom isn't around to transfer her body warmth to them, they will start to shut down. If your intention is to separate her from them and hand rear them, she will be in trouble as well. She will go into mourning and her milk will harden and it would be such a shame. The babies need to be indoor, to find out how warm check out my website www.kitten-rescue.com

This is what I would do. I would move the wheelbarrow and some leaves (or get some straw and hay) up to the porch and set it up with the kittens in a carrier nearby with warmth in the box, heating pad (don't put them directly on the heat) hot water bottle, heat warmers- something to give them heat. Cover them with a warm blanket (she will hear their cries and may come up on the porch) then shut the porch door by going around the house and taking her by surprise BUT you can't do this for more than two hours because the kittens need to eat. You can go on my website and find out how to feed them as well. They shouldn't be separated and if you mess with any nest of an outdoor Queen they will move the kittens so you can't find them. You have to outsmart her and keep the family together they should NOT be separated.

Honestly, you should have never even messed with this family until the kittens were ready to leave mom.
post #34 of 53
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[quote=hissy;304994.

Honestly, you should have never even messed with this family until the kittens were ready to leave mom.[/QUOTE]

I didn't bother the kittens until the Mama moved them onto a corner of my patio; then I had no choice but to find some form of shelter for them. I didn't think a pile of leaves under a step-ladder would do much good when we're supposed to have rain the next 4 days.

The kittens are in the carrier, and Mom-cat is in there with them. She's had a can of food, gone about the yard to do her business, and is back with her babies.
Tomorrow I will do my best to find a trap, even if I have to go out and buy one. I'm not about to separate them; they will all be going to the shelter together.

Feralvr, I do think you'r right; she's probably not so much 'feral' as she is 'scared to death'. The fact that she brought the kittens within 10 feet of my back door must mean she trusts me just a little.

I'll let you know how things go tomorrow.
post #35 of 53
Oh, I'm so glad she's back taking care of her babies! That's wonderful. And we all know you're doing your very best for this little family, sweetie.

Would it be impossible for you to keep them together in your house for awhile, until those tiny babies are older and stronger?
post #36 of 53
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I don't have any where to put the carrier, and with my back problems it's all I can do to take care of my 6 every day. And I no desire to rear these kittens myself or separate them from their Mom-cat. The more I think about it, the more convinced I am that she had a litter last summer under the neighbor's shed. When I'd be in the back yard, I'd hear little mewing noises, but when I followed them to the source they would stop. There were never any kittens around, so obviously something happened to them. I'm not about to let her lose another litter if I can help it, and if that means trapping her and taking all of them to the shelter that's what I'll do.

I just checked on them; Mom-cat was still in the carrier. I took her food and fresh water and she's eating about 3 feet from the kittens. I need to put a tarp over tha carrier before the rain starts, because I can't do anything about trapping her until Dave's home from work and I have help--later this afternoon
post #37 of 53
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I don't have any where to put the carrier, and with my back problems it's all I can do to take care of my 6 every day. And I no desire to rear these kittens myself or separate them from their Mom-cat. The more I think about it, the more convinced I am that she had a litter last summer under the neighbor's shed. When I'd be in the back yard, I'd hear little mewing noises, but when I followed them to the source they would stop. There were never any kittens around, so obviously something happened to them. I'm not about to let her lose another litter if I can help it, and if that means trapping her and taking all of them to the shelter that's what I'll do.

I just checked on them; Mom-cat was still in the carrier. I took her food and fresh water and she's eating about 3 feet from the kittens. I need to put a tarp over tha carrier before the rain starts, because I can't do anything about trapping her until Dave's home from work and I have help--later this afternoon
Good Morning I am so relieved to hear that mom is caring for them in the carrier. Have you been able to get a look in the crate to see if babies are alright? Can you get a heating pad under the carrier on the ground and just set the carrier on top of the heating pad? Just for the time being to keep extra warmth, it won't be alot through the plastic bottom, but it will help. You know....... Are you able to approach the carrier with mom in it without her running away?? Then you could just close the door. Of course, this would be too easy, right!!! And probably in our wildest dreams might not come true, but it is just a thought.

If you get the heating pad under the carrier, then I would drap a tarp over the back of the carrier. I am so happy mom cat was there with them and she is eating too. Hope you get that call today. Please update when you can
post #38 of 53
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Just came in from checking on them; Mom-cat won't let me near the carrier while she's in there with them, and if they're nursing I receive a good growling. She came out to eat again while I was out there; all 3 babies present and accounted for. While she was eating I managed to scoot the carrier just a little closer to the back door, tied a rope to the door and led it back into the house. She checked everything out after I'd done that, then went back to eating.
I think now it's either try to pull the door shut once she's back in the carrier, or sneak up from the other side and push it closed with a 2x4. I'm sure we'll only get one shot at it, so it needs to be the right choice. I think we're going to give it a shot when Dave takes his lunch break. The shelter doesn't open until 12:30 and I don't want to leave her trapped in the carrier any longer than necessary. And I couldn't lift the carrier with her and the kids in it, anyway.

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Can you get a heating pad under the carrier on the ground and just set the carrier on top of the heating pad? Just for the time being to keep extra warmth,
Actually, I can't do that; as I said, I can't pick up the carrier. It does have a towel in the bottom and that nest of leaves, and I've thrown a couple of towels on top to hopefully insulate it a little. With a little luck they won't be in there much longer.

Dave called me at 7 to tell me he'd run off a stray on his way to work this morning. I had just come in from running off the same stray. And that is my main concern for this little family; I need to get them safe before something happens to them. Mom-cat just looks at me sometimes, then rubs against a patio chair; it's as if she wants some loving, but she just doesn't trust me enough. Makes me sad; I've never seen a cat this skittish before. I mean, it's been almost a year since she's been hanging around and she hasn't had a head skritch in all that time, or just a human touch.
post #39 of 53
Oh such a relief to hear she decided the carrier was OK and has been caring for the babies!

Great news about the rope, at least that's now an option!

I take it you've already talked to the shelter and they're able to take her and the babies?

Sending more !!!!!!!!!!
post #40 of 53
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The shelter doesn't open for a couple of hours yet. I've checked their website, and this is what it says:

"We are mandated by the state to take surrendered animals for $25 within city limits."

I told Dave that and he said he'd be happy to give them $100 to take care of 4 cats! (I'm hoping it's $25 for all of them, but we'll see). If for some reason they absolutely can't (and trust me, I can be very convincing) I'll take them to the county shelter instead. I think I said before, my vet is actually in charge of that facility and even tho' these aren't "county cats" I know he'd take them if I asked. The difference would be at the county shelter they might not be kept very long, at the humane society shelter everything will be done to adopt them out eventually. They also work with the local PetCo, and this little family would be adopted out in a heartbeat.
post #41 of 53
Most shelters are full up. I hope you have checked and you are not putting her in a kill shelter, because she has a better chance just being left alone to raise her kittens outside. I'm not sure why you think they are in such danger? If she has been harrassed under one shelter, she will find another hidden place to tuck her kittens and she will guard them carefully. If you set up a feeding station for her in the same place and feed her every day at the same (time) s- she will come and eat and you will be able to see how she is doing. She will be stressed in a shelter environment and again if they are a kill shelter, she won't be there that long.

She will bring the kittens to you when they are old enough to come off her belly and then you can trap and secure her and the kittens. I would just leave her alone. Just because you put her into a shelter, doesn't mean that is a better life than what she has now.
post #42 of 53
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The shelter doesn't open for a couple of hours yet. I've checked their website, and this is what it says:

"We are mandated by the state to take surrendered animals for $25 within city limits." <snip>
Being mandated to take them is definitely NOT the same as keeping them alive.

I would definitely speak to them first, and be very clear on what arrangements and level of care they'd be able to provide. Humane Societies' policies vary dramatically between different areas, but we would never work with the local chapter. The county shelter is worse - cats get rescued OUT of there by other rescues, in fact. Of course, some county shelters are great (though I find that to be the exception). Neither one has a foster network, and during kitten season, neither one is equipped with proper staff to handle bottle babies if mom stops caring for them.

Have you already searched to see if there are any foster networks in your area?

What Gary and I did on several occasions when facing bottle babies was take them to our vet, and basically made official arrangements with one of the vet techs (with knowledge of the owner) to foster the family or take on the babies if mom stopped caring for them. One litter of three basically became a project of the entire staff. But we did pay for their care. They ended up being adopted out through the vet office.

Of course, in the end, it's far cheaper to TNR the cats in the first place, which is why we do that.

I realize that toms do sometimes kill kittens to put the mom back into heat, and that seems to be your primary concern. If there are so many strays, it seems there wouldn't be a lot of competition for females in heat as there must be plenty in the neighborhood. As you put out food, the cats are attracted to your yard for that. Perhaps move the food to an area of the yard that is not too close to the nest: one where the strays can eat without threatening the nest, and where mom can eat and keep an eye on the nest.

But please, do ensure their actual care before taking them anywhere. Just getting some place to take them is not the difficult part. If they're not going to a foster home, or if the rescue isn't equipped to care for bottle babies and has a policy of putting down unsocialized cats, you really are best leaving mom to care for her babies in your yard (if she keeps them there).
post #43 of 53
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Our local shelter does have a fostering program. They have adoption fairs once a month and, as I stated before, they do everything possible to place an adoptable animal.
The office manager at my vet's has a "feral retreat", for lack of a better term. Her daughter lives in the country, and takes ferals who have been neutered. There are several huge enclosed areas so they are safe from predators and can live out their days in safety.
I really do have a couple of options here.

As for the ratio of toms to females in my neighborhood, last time I was able to get a good look at things (if you know what I mean) the ratio is about 4 toms to 1 female. Not very good for her.

If for some reason this little lady simply can't be socialized, I would be more than willing to bring her back here after her kittens are weaned and she is neutered.
post #44 of 53
That is good news about the fostering network. Usually, fosters (at least in my area and it is kitten season afterall) step up to the plate in situations like this and I certainly hope that is the case in your area You do have some options here and it sounds like you have done some looking into these different places. for you, mom cat and kittens
post #45 of 53
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Originally Posted by libby74 View Post
Our local shelter does have a fostering program. They have adoption fairs once a month and, as I stated before, they do everything possible to place an adoptable animal.
The office manager at my vet's has a "feral retreat", for lack of a better term. Her daughter lives in the country, and takes ferals who have been neutered. There are several huge enclosed areas so they are safe from predators and can live out their days in safety.
I really do have a couple of options here.

As for the ratio of toms to females in my neighborhood, last time I was able to get a good look at things (if you know what I mean) the ratio is about 4 toms to 1 female. Not very good for her.

If for some reason this little lady simply can't be socialized, I would be more than willing to bring her back here after her kittens are weaned and she is neutered.
That's great.

post #46 of 53
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SUCCESS!
I managed to use the rope method to secure the Mom-cat in the carrier with her babies. No fussing, no carrying-on, she was good as gold.
The humane society shelter had a 3 week waiting list for fosters, and they wouldn't take kittens that weren't old enough to be adopted.
We took them to the shelter run by my vet. I was assured that the kittens would be kept until they were old enough to be adopted. They took one look at Mom-cat and said they would work really hard to socialize; she is such a beautiful girl they knew she would be adopted, too.
One vet tech took the little family to the back, came out after several minutes, and gave us our carrier back. She was totally out of breath; when the receptionist asked if she was ok, she said the Mama had gotten away from her. I told your, "Your's are probably the first human hands that have touched her in a year." She was stunned, and is going to make the Mama her pet-project (pardon the pun).

I got back to the car and just bawled; I'm going to miss that little lady so much. I'm so used to seeing her outside my back door, waiting to be fed, those beautiful crossed sapphire eyes staring at me. I know we did what's best for her and the babies; almost as a sign, right after I'd managed to trap her it started to rain. I'd been praying all day that the rains wouldn't come until she and the babies were ok. I think someone was letting me know I was doing the right thing.

This is such a weight off my shoulders; I think I"ll finally be able to sleep tonight. And my vet is a wonderful man who adores cats (he always calls my cats "the kids"). I know they're going to be well-taken care of, and his staff will do their utmost to find them forever homes. (and they have my name in case the Mama can't be socialized, so I think it's all good).

Yea for happy endings!
post #47 of 53
Aw that's great! Sounds like you'll be able to get updates too!
post #48 of 53
Thank you for looking out for her and her babies! And thank you to your vet who is willing to take them all in and care for them and find them homes! That's how I ended up with Spencer and Katie. Someone brought them and their Mom into the vets. And I'm told that their Mom found a home too! So I'm sure that your kitty story will turn out to be a great success and that all 4 will end up in wonderful homes! Maybe even some of them in the same home, like my 2 did

You deserve a great big hug!!!
post #49 of 53
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[quote=Natalie_ca;3050311You deserve a great big hug!!! [/QUOTE]

Honestly, after the last few days, I feel as if I need a great big hug!
post #50 of 53
AWWWWWWWWWWWW Libby, this is fantastic news You did a great job and I am certain mom cat wanted your help. So glad and relieved they will all be safe at your vet's place now. Very, very good job and I am sure it was a quite nerve-wracking day for you and Dave. Lots of hugs for you as now you can relax.. I am sure you can keep in touch and see how things are going too. I am sure they will let you come and visit if you want.
post #51 of 53
Awesome job

I, like others, think that she is not feral but just scared. A little love can go along way.

I hope you can keep us posted on how they are all doing!
post #52 of 53
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I'm finding this whole episode bittersweet; I'm so used to looking out the back window and seeing those gorgeous eyes looking back at me. Of course, as soon as I opened the door to go out, she'd run. My first thought this morning was 'gotta go out and feed the cat'. Last night, when it was storming, I was so glad we'd managed to get her and her babies somewhere warm and dry.
I want to check on her, but knowing how I am, I think it's just best if I let her be. The shelter has my name and number so they can contact me if need be; I think I just need to let her go. I'm grateful the tech at the shelter is going to make a special effort with her; I hope she can succeed where I couldn't. Of course, there won't be any running away when someone comes near so maybe she'll learn to trust people now.
post #53 of 53
You got that right in regards to socializing a feral or a really frightened kitty. If they are kept in a cage, at least until you are able to touch and pet them, they will learn quickly how wonderful it feels to be pet and loved on. So I am sure with that vet tech spending time with mom and the kittens, she will come around very, very quickly. Again, so glad the little family is safe and sound now.
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