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post #1 of 14
Thread Starter 
Hey all it's been about a year since my last visit here and I'm afraid I've returned for the same reason. My cat refuses to pee in her litter box.

The last time I was here everyone gave me great advise, unfortunately none of it has helped. Let me give you a run down on everything so far.
My cats litter try was originally in the entrance hall of my apartment. For the first month she used her litter box just fine. Then she started to pee on the carpet. On the advise that cats can prefer carpet to litter I moved her litter tray into the hallway because the rest of my apartment is hardwood floors.

She then started to pee in 5 different corners of the apartment. All areas have now turned black, one so badly damaged the wood is beginning to rot and now has to have a black bag taped to it permantly until the situation is sorted.

I was then advised that infection can cause a cat to avoid the litter tray. I've had her tested for UTI's twice in the past year and nothing.

On the advise that cats can be very fussy on how clean they like their litter tray I started cleaning it twice a day instead of once. It didn't work. I also tried using 2 litter trays, one for pooping, one for peeing. She pooped in them both and continued to pee on the floor.

On the advise that cats do not like to use the toilet in 'busy' areas I moved her litter try into the bathroom at the back of the apartment. She has now started peeing beside her litter box in the bathroom which is beginning to take up the lino tiles that were only put down 2 weeks ago.

I have tried several different cat litters including cat attract and none of them have motivated her to pee in her box. I have done everything to clean the areas where she pee's uncluding enzyme cleaners, salt, bleach, vinegar lemon juice... nothing works. I've tried a spray bottle. I've tried moving her food to the spots so then she picks a different spot. I've tried putting her blankets and toys on the spots she just pees on them anyway. I've tried several different kinds of litter trays.

It's strange. She has went weeks without any accidents then it just starts again. Some days she will use it just fine. Other days there is nothing you can do to get her to pee in it. Other days she just will use it then won't.

I feel like I'm going mad.

...Nothing works. Please if you have any advise, anything please let me know. I love her but she is destroying my home.
post #2 of 14
What kind of litter box are you using? Open type or hooded?

Is this kitty a declawed kitty?

Have you ever heard of confinement training?
This article explains it and explains some other things as well.
http://www.utahhumane.org/shelter/ed...our-new-kitten

Another article
http://www.aspcabehavior.org/article...-Training.aspx

Have you ever tried placing puppy training pads next to the litter box, covering a certain area? You would need several pads for the experiment, not just one.

Have you ever tried getting an extra litter box and putting a puppy training pad inside instead of cat litter?

Some cats also accept folded paper towels (you would need about two or three sheets) inside the litter box instead of cat litter. (Folded, NOT shredded).

A more comprehensive health check (X-ray, ultrasound of the bladder) might reveal some problem you're not aware of.

Just wondering, did you ever medicate her while she was trying to use the litter box?

Did you ever use punishment she might associate with the litter box?

Exactly what it is that you're using now for cat litter? Is it clumping litter? Scented? Unscented? (Some unscented litters are much worse than the scented ones.)

If it's not clumping, how often do you dump it? (With my cats that type of litter had to be changed completely every other day otherwise they wouldn't use it.)

Does this kitty ever go outside?
post #3 of 14
Thread Starter 
It's is a hooded box at the moment but the problem originated when she had an open box.
She has not been declawed. She is a house cat, never goes outside.
I haven't tried puppy training pads but I will look into it now.
Never medicated her while she was using her box.
I've never scolded her beyond swiftly taking her to the bathroom and locking her in there for no more than 20mins. I hadn't heard of the confinement method. I read the article. It is a little extreme, I'm not sure if I could lock her in a room for 2 weeks but I will try it once I've exhausted everything else. The article also suggest taking her to the bathroom after every meal. I will try that also.
I'm using catsan hygiene. Non-clumping chalk and quartz litter. I completely dump it once a week but I remove all damp parts twice a day.

Thank you so much for your reply. I have a few new things to try now. Taking her to the bathroom after every meal, dumping the litter every other day and go get some puppy training pads.

I feels good just have something else to try...
post #4 of 14
If all else fails, I know many people do not like it, but there are mediations that sometimes can be tried.

Have you tried switching to Cat attract litter?
post #5 of 14
Thread Starter 
I have tried cat attract. It didn't work. What medications are available. To be honest I wouldn't use them just curious.

Thanks for the reply.
post #6 of 14
People jump to the conclusion that medicating a cat = doped up kitty & that it's cruel. I thought that at first, but honestly I was out of options. No one would adopt my kitty, we couldn't live the way we were, & I was not going to euthanize her.

I have a kitty named Ophelia Rose. Got her when she was 3 years old, she'd lived outside her whole life, deaf & feral. She got spayed & came out of her shell some. But then she went off the deep end - would attack other cats, dogs, & humans. She put stitches into several other cats, did some major damage to a few people, & began to urinate all over. I tried everything, even when separated in her own room from the other cats she still flipped out & would urinate on things. I tried Amitriptyline but it didn't work that great. We switched to Buspar (non-habit forming), which has this terrible side effect of making your cat *too* friendly. It worked, she mellowed out A TON, quit peeing. She still cannot live w/ all the other kitties, she lives in my office (700 - 800 sq ft) with one other kitty. She uses her litterbox faithfully & has completely relaxed to the point that she'll lay on her back in my arms & climb into my lap. She no longer takes Buspar at all, for awhile we were on again/off again (3 months on/3 months off) meds. I've had her for 6 years now if I'm remembering right.

There is also Prozac, which I know some members here have used w/ success for inappropriate urination issues.
post #7 of 14
Thread Starter 
Well from reading your story it is completely understandable but with my cat she is perfect all except the peeing and truely believe there is a way to train her... I just haven't figured it out yet. I know she can use her box, because she does pee in it almost everyday, just not consistently. I wake up in the morning and she has used it, but later that day I will catch her peeing. I just can't figure it out.
post #8 of 14
I know you've tried adding another box but you said she did use both and then peed on the floor. Did she only pee on the floor after the 2 boxes had become soiled? Maybe she doesn't want to use a box that already has "stuff" in it?

Does she only pee on the floor? She always poops in the box? My cats seem ti dig a lot more when they are going to pee. Maybe she doesn't want to dig in when there is ick in the box. Maybe just as an experiment put down 4 boxes so there will always be a clean one she can use. If that works maybe an automatic cleaning type litter box would be to her liking.

Exactly what type of litters have you tried? Clay? Corn? Wheat?
post #9 of 14
I just read your original thread. When she first started going outside the box she had a urinary infection. I know you've ruled that out now but maybe she sill associates the box with the pain she felt when she had the infection and tried to pee. Can you give her something that doesn't look like a litter box to pee in? Maybe a low sided pan with shredded paper instead of traditional cat litter? If she uses that consistently you can start a slow transition back to a regular box with litter.
post #10 of 14
Thread Starter 
It was honestly so long ago I can't recall if both boxes had been soiled but I see what your getting at. It would explain why she uses it sometimes and then doesn't others. I will keep an eye out for when she uses it when she doesn't... She used it just now, she pooped and peed in the box at the same time.
I honestly don't know what kinds of litter they were, just a variety of different brands. I really don't think she pays much attention to what litter is in there, I've put shredded toilet paper in there and she has used. I've used countless different brands of litter, it doesn't matter what I put in there, she uses it. She has never pooped outside of the litter tray.

I'll be honest, I really don't think it has anything to do with UTI's. Previously when I had her checked out the first time there was only a slight sign of infection and the vet put her on antibiotics for good measure. She has went weeks peeing inside her box without prompt before so I don't think she is scared of the pain of the box. I'm sure you know as a cat owner when something just isn't right. I just know it's not this.

Thanks for your replies, you've given me something to think about.
post #11 of 14
Does she have access to windows? Mine will mark when he sees another cat. He gets very bad marking everything including me. I was sitting at my table and he jumped up on the table, turned his back on me and started to squirt at my face. There was really no stopping him, he was checked medically for everything, but I knew he was marking his territory. It was getting very bad, he would mark on anything and everything, I finally had to talk to his Vet and we decided to give him Prozac. I was never a believer in medicating for anything other then something physical. But when he is on it he is great absolutely no marking, and he turned out to be a light heart cat again, much happier and playing with his toys. He wasn't doing that before the medication. Good luck, I hope you find a solution.
post #12 of 14
I also have a problem with my two year old Russian Blue. Most of the time he uses the litter box, but every once in a while he uses the sofa instead. He has been examined by the vet, and finished an antibiotics cure, so it is probably not a medical problem. We just moved, an I thought it might be stress related, so I also tried feliway diffuser and spray. He does love the feliway, but I don't think it made any real difference with the peeing problem.

Finally though, I think I have found a solution. A week ago I started giving him a treat and cuddle him every time he used the litter box. Since then he has not had any "accidents" There is a drawback though. Whenever he feels like a snack, he goes and digs around in the litter (without peeing), and then sits next to it meowing, begging for a snack. I would rather have that though, than having to clean the sofa

Hope this helps, good luck
post #13 of 14
Thread Starter 
My jaw hit the floor when I read your comments aswient. I guess it could be worse! But no, very few windows in my apartment, it's a basement flat. I've never seen a cat anywhere in my area. She's a very relaxed cat. Too relaxed... lol

Funny you should mention it hungrycat but I've been doing this for the last 2 days(minus the cuddle, she would view that as a punishment lol) also been scooping every single time I hear her use it. 2 days with no accidents. Fingers crossed.
post #14 of 14
How many cats do you have? I have a milder version of your problem with a 6 month old kitten I have had for four months. I also have a 8 month bigger kitten who has no litter box problems. I tried everyhting you did and took Cookie(6 mo kitten) to the vet and asked them to run tests. I have also asked for copies of those results which I hope to either post here or summarize for feedback.

Anyway, l have a suspicion that it may be the bigger cat who is very nice to her, but goes through stages of chasing, pouncing, stalking, following, and ambushing. Cookie does chase back, but since she is smaller 7 pounds to 10, she does not have the same impact.

My theory is that the timing is often synchronized between a pouncing session and Cookie's need to use a box. She has two also, and does both in ech box.

I locked her in the bathroom for a week and she did well unless the box got too dirty. I thin let her out for a few hours and she was OK then as well. I also kept her separated from her roommate (both cats are fixed) and she did well.


something triggers her when she has full run of the small condo and Thumper gets into one of his can not leave her along moods.

Last night, they chased eachother around for three hours and I thought it was great since they had not done that at night before. Although I did not sleep, I thought this was normal for kittens. That morning, she visited a corner she and my previous old cats had visited a number of times.

Poured Urine-Off on and put milk crates over the strip along the wall and will hope for the best.

Maybe I will go out and get cat treats and try to praise her each time I see her in the box.

The other thing I was thinking of is keeping a diary about food, litter box, playing, etc... Maybe I will see a patter.
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