OMG this dog breeder

Well i messaged a dog breeder about her puppies and she freaked right out....I asked about testing like OFA(since the breed of dog i want is high on the hip dysplasia list)And i was told that she does not do testing but if the dog ever develops it she would take it back....Well by that time i will be too attached.
The she said i was trying to sabotage her. and was jealous of her dogs.
She was saying her pups are purebred but not registered,Dad could not be due to a spay and neuter agreement and they are waiting for moms papers.
It was not said when i first asked about the pups.
I guess i was just stunned about the rudeness.
I do know the animal pedigree act in canada and the ckc policies and claiming a dog purebred when non registrable is bad.
Her dogs did look good though,I guess ill keep on my search.

Originally Posted by rescue-mom

Well i messaged a dog breeder about her puppies and she freaked right out....I asked about testing like OFA(since the breed of dog i want is high on the hip dysplasia list)And i was told that she does not do testing but if the dog ever develops it she would take it back....Well by that time i will be too attached.
The she said i was trying to sabotage her. and was jealous of her dogs.
She was saying her pups are purebred but not registered,Dad could not be due to a spay and neuter agreement and they are waiting for moms papers.
It was not said when i first asked about the pups.
I guess i was just stunned about the rudeness.
I do know the animal pedigree act in canada and the ckc policies and claiming a dog purebred when non registrable is bad.
Her dogs did look good though,I guess ill keep on my search.

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The red and bold above screams of Backyard breeder - she basically bought a puppy from someone promising to neuter it by 12-16 weeks or so in order to get the papers, and now is breeding for profit. Nice
Keep looking, this one is no good, I can almost guarantee it

Thanks but after that i plan not to buy from her.

I just was not sure what to think of her.......Kinda frustrating.

Oh, good grief. She sounds a bit worse than a typical BYB. I'm glad you've decided to steer clear of her.

I hope this might help you find a good breeder: http://www.ckc.ca/en/Default.aspx?tabid=493

I can't think of many things that would be more unethical than breeding a pet you bought on a spay/neuter contract. There's a reason the breeder sold that pup on a neuter contract, he shouldn't have been bred. Too bad there isn't a way to contact that breeder, he/she could maybe sue for breach of contract.

For every wonderful breeder out there, there are 10 more horrid "breeders" that are in it only for the money and not to further the breed through health, temperment, and such. Many of those BYB dogs wind up in shelters across the country due to bad breeding (temp, health issues, hyperactivity, aggression, and improper home placement.)

My advice to you in this situation is: RUN THE OTHER WAY! No reputable or good breeder would pull any of those stunts. If you want a purebreed, check the AKC's for breeder listings (not sure which breed you want?) (There are many breeders that operate out of Canada and the US). Once you do that, call up several of the breeders on the list and ask for references from the people who have bought from them. A good breeder keeps in contact with the homes their pups go to and will not be offended if you want to see how the other pups turned out. If you need help, I'd be happy to walk you through it in a pm Also, once you find a reputable breeder and you've checked their references AND their vet references, plan to make a personal trip up to the kennel. You need to see what the kennel looks like (clean/dirty?), how the pups are cared for (make sure the breeder isn't selling at too young an age), and you also need to see what the parents are like (sound temp. /healthy/etc). You will find the right pup for you, be it a terrific shelter or breed specific rescue or a purebred from a reputable breeder. The most important thing is to NOT rush into it. Take your time, do your research, pick out what vet and training facility you plan to use ahead of time, and so on.

One suggestion for you- pick up the book "The Art Of Raising A Puppy" - The Monks of New Skete; the training facility I take my dogs to and the therapy program that I work with all use that book to help with everything from choosing the right pup (aptitude testing/etc) and so on! It is a wonderful book and is very helpful!

If she's breeding a dog that isn't pure and is a member of the CKC her membership and kennel privileges can be revoked. I'm a member of the CKC and this was made VERY clear to me when I joined. I would definitely report them if you think there is something going on.

That being said... I'm not defending this breeder by any means, but... I have known a few people that have bought purebred dogs for breeding, bred them, only to have the registration revoked because of a problem a few generations back. It takes YEARS to get this corrected, if it ever is, and it seems to be happening more and more lately with both the CKC and the AKC.

About OFA, while it's good to have I'm on the fence about it. We have had our dogs patella's cleared by our vet and all we have to do is get the paperwork and have the vet fill it out. I've heard from other breeders that they've bought dogs from OFA'd clear patella lines or bought dogs that are supposedly OFA clear for patellas, only to bring it into a specialist or their own vet and find out that it has luxating patellas. Not sure how it works for hips, because my breed doesn't have their hips screened, but I'm assuming it's similar.

There is a lot of testing that's recommended with breeding, that's for sure. It's expensive and sometimes the accuracy is questionable, especially with new tests or ones that are just done through your own veterinarian.

For my breed, the tests that are recommended are; OFA, CERF, and PRA Cord 1. There are other things that can be tested for, but those are the major three. We do OFA and CERF here, but we don't do PRA. It's not an expensive test ($40 US) but it is relatively new and we definitely question it's accuracy. It's mandatory in the UK. We also get our dogs backs xrayed at 2 years old and send them into a specialist that's working on a test for IVDD - so far the accuracy for that test is better than the one for PRA. All that being said, if someone is interested in one of our puppies, we will have it PRA tested BUT they must still place their deposit on the puppy that they are interested in until the results come in.

From everything you've said, the breeder does sound like a BYB. As my boyfriend said to someone at the dog park today while Sadie was having a seizure, "this is why you don't buy from a BYB.". It's definitely not fun to try to soothe your dog while s/he is having a seizure, or in great amounts of pain due to HD, etc.

What type of dog are you looking for? Where are you located? And what purpose are you looking to get the dog for? (Working dog, show, pet, etc). I might know of some good breeders.

Most dog breeds will have a national (and sometimes local) breed club. Contact the breed club to find a decent breeder. Google "(whatever breed you want) club" and it should come up. If you're willing to travel or if the breed isn't very common you may want to check with both the Canada and US breed clubs. The best way to find a reputable breeder is to get a referral. Even show breeders will have pet puppies in every litter so don't settle for a breeder who doesn't exhibit their dogs in either the conformation ring or in performance (obedience, agility, herding, hunting, etc). They should be breeding the litter in the hopes of producing a pup they can show, not just to make some money by selling the entire litter. A good breeder will do every test available for that breed - hips, heart, eyes, elbows, etc.

We are looking into german shepherd,I want one that i can do alot of activities with not showing but...agility,herding(we have lots of places that allow you to bring your city dogs to learn herding),and pretty much anything else i can find in my area to do.
I grew up with the breed so i know them well.
I am in Edmonton alberta canada.

Thanks for the info - just to be clear, you're looking more for the working type rather than the show type, right? The show type, depending on the breeder, would be nearly useless in most activities and seem to be more predispositioned to HD and arthritis because of the build of their back ends.

I have a friend that shows her dachshunds in different dog sports in Alberta, I'll see if she knows anyone off hand.

Are you looking at getting a pup now/soon or would you be willing to go on a waiting list?

Defiantly wanting working lines and no not in a hurry if it takes 6 months to find the perfect one then it does but not opposed if a breeder had an older pup sooner for whatever reasons.