Vet discourages Urine Culture, Convenia for UTI..thoughts?

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I thought I had an excellent Vet..and he's a really great person and very easy to talk to.....but I'm growing more concerned with some of his viewpoints....to the point where I wonder if I need to find a new Vet?


1. My cat Cleo had a urinalysis done a couple of weeks ago (urine collected by cystocentesis, so sterile sample). Testing done in-house at clinic. Vet called me with results. She'd definitely had no symptoms of a UTI, this U/A was really just part of an annual exam and to check kidney function mostly. I was very surprised when he told me that urine showed presence of bacteria, significant amount of WBCs and some RBCs (and pH of 7). He suggested to me that because she's feisty and hard to pill, that he could give her a shot of Convenia. I was surprised. Convenia, from what I've read, is used for soft tissue infections.....and is not sensitive to the common types of bacteria (eg; E Coli) that cause UTIs in cats. While it may be 'convenient', what point is there in giving if it's not going to cure the infection? As it turns out, she'd had a shot of Convenia 3 weeks prior (related to her sudden occurence of a patch of red skin and fur loss and was given a shot of Convenia then so he felt that if she'd already had it recently and still had a UTI, there was no point in giving it again -- so he prescribed Baytril instead.

2. Normally when I have ever had a cat with a UTI as per results of urinalysis, I request the sample be sent off for a urine culture (if urine collected by cysto). I asked him about this. He basically talked me out of it citing that he felt that it would just be wasting my money. He explained that recently they'd had 2 different cats whose urinalysis showed a UTI but when sent off for culture, culture came back 'negative' (meaning: no bacteria present). Now instead of just jumping to the conclusion that a culture is "useless and a waste of money", wouldn't it make more sense to perhaps consider that perhaps the clinic staff aren't maybe interpreting the urine properly when running the urinalysis? (I know the urinalysis usually involves dipping the urine with a strip but they also use a machine to analyze the urine under a microscope, something along those lines). Does it make any SENSE that you have 2 urines that show the presence of bacteria when U/A done 'in house' but same urine comes back 'negative' when central vet lab does a culture? It doesn't make any sense to me. If bacteria ARE seen when in-house urinalysis is done, they're not going to just "go away"......naturally they're going to grow on the Petri dish. Bacteria just don't 'disappear' without the appropriate antibiotic treatment.


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My thoughts: find another vet. Your current vet, though easy to talk to, I don't think is, um, reliable. If you begin feeling uneasy about going to him for any reason, I suggest changing vets anyway.
 
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Originally Posted by clowangel

My thoughts: find another vet. Your current vet, though easy to talk to, I don't think is, um, reliable. If you begin feeling uneasy about going to him for any reason, I suggest changing vets anyway.
True enough....but I'd be curious to know what other experienced cat owners think about his stance on Convenia for UTIs and blowing off the need for urine cultures. Maybe I am the one who is out to lunch?
 

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While not 'ideal' for UTIs, I have used it for some of my own kitties who've had UTIs.....and had success w/ it. (I have a few who are *not* medicated easily, so it was about the only alternative)

That said - if you aren't comfortable w/ your vet I say look around for a new one. Or express your concerns w/ the current one.

IMO, a re-test of the urine after a course of treatment for a UTI is necessary to ensure they are UTI free, as it can often require more than one course of treatment.
 

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I would take the cat IMMEDIATLEY to another vet if possible and have an in house and culture sent out done if this happens again and REFUSE the shot at first one insist on take homes. see if hes maybe playing the system...I know my one vet gives me a very close to the price she pays and thinking that maybe hes doing the big mark up by the testing he does/shot/exam? do you think this could be a possible case scenario?

I have seen something similar at a vet who went out of her own practice. Only reason anything came out of it was my cat has an odd smell when urinary infection and she kept saying how sick he was and cat and I are so close(bottle baby) I didnt see it. It was a routine exam with the bw/ua ran cause thought the price was not to bad and thought it would be good cause I could see what his numbers were in normal state.
I caught he was diabetic "fairly early on in the game" per my current vet.
and food controlled his diabetes in a few weeks:p so I DO know my cat.

Also put my fathers dog on a high dose of meds i just remember looking up the dogs medical issue(thyroid) and the dose being at the high starting rate for the weight and he took her to a big hospital and they lowered it-lived a long time tho after the diagnosis.

Can;t ever hurt to have a open relationship with a vet and a clinic....I find it ideal one is SUPER close(bonus not the reason I went in first place) and the others far but cheap and shes got a good brain for those odd cases of what is this? Shes one woman and cant be open 24/7 the other place has many more vets and mon-thur offer overnight care and 7 day appts/early opening LATE closing...pretty well covered unless a cats in seizures is the time I did use the er clinic(after hours)

Always great to be going well being checkup for the first visit-could just go with no records to see no hold opinion of the cat then bring into mix it was dxed "at another vet with xyz" when the exam is completed I never mention clinic names. thats me tho.
 

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Hey there,

That is really odd that he's giving Convenia for a UTI since Convenia is for skin infections in cats. If your cat's skin infection is completely gone, then why would he re-prescribe it? Like you said, your cat needs proper treatment... and from a "proper" Vet.

I've become much more assertive at the Vet when I suspect something and would like a certain test done. I say "I would like this and this testing done, when can we set the appointment for it." (and don't take "no" for an answer). There is no reason for them to deny those tests be done (unless they're like one particular national group of vets that overbook, overcharge and rush through their "care" of the animals coming in.

My thought is a vet that has some communication and compassion skills and understanding of yours and your cat's needs.

Warmly,

Julie O'
 

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Sounds like you've already got your own answer - it's that 6th sense, if you will - that "small voice" - we often don't listen to it - then later regret it.


RE: Convenia - here's a link that might help: http://www.pfizeranimalhealth.co.nz/...x?Species=Cats
For the treatment of urinary infections associated with Escherichia coli and/or Proteues spp.


Cats: For the treatment of skin and soft tissue abscesses, and wounds associated with Pasteurella multocida, Fusobacterium spp., Bacteroides spp., Prevotella oralis, β-haemolytic Streptococci and/or Staphylococcus intermedius.
For the treatment of urinary infections associated with Escherichia coli
 
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