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post #1 of 13
Thread Starter 
Does anyone know if there is a DNA test to see if your cat is pure breed? My wife got this cat from some lady but no papers and she lost her contact info.

She is supposed to be a Norwegian Forest but it really doesn't matter to me but it would be nice to know. She is about 1 year old, has blue eyes, not deaf, has great personality, and follows us like a dog. She is great with the kids and always likes to be next to you.

post #2 of 13
The DNA tests you can do won't really tell you the kind of cat. Cats are really not different from each other to determine a breed. Dogs have a much higher difference between breeds but its been proven that the DNA tests are not really accurate on dogs either.

I ran across a YouTube video proving this (will post it later when I find it). The owner had a 100% purebred American Staffordshire Terrier. She completed the test as instructed and sent in the results. In her reply from the company it came back with 4 different breeds in this dog. The order was from highest to lowest amounts of the breed. First on the list was a BORDER COLLIE, second was a Boxer, and last was a Am Staff!

So don't waste your time or money trying to figure out what your cat is. W/O papers, you have a domestic longhair cat.
post #3 of 13
dunno about DNA tests, but that's a gorgeous cat!!
post #4 of 13
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the reply. We were thinking of breeding her because she is pretty but we wanted to stay within her breed. We talked to some breeders but was snobbed because she does not have papers. One lady did not even want to talk to us. It's really hard to find a Norwegian that is not neutered and willing on selling. This is not to make money or for competition but to give away to our family and friends.
post #5 of 13
without having papers it will be very hard for you to sell that kittens as norwegian forest cats, and would be contributing to the overpopulation of cats and kittens that already exists. You do have a beautiful cat, and I have no problems with breeding if you are actually doing it for the breed and to show. Backyard breeders are a huge problem as well as the shelters that are already overflowing! So many breeders are very picky about who they will breed with.
post #6 of 13
W/O papers there is NO reason to breed. There are plenty of kittens/cats for adoption if your family/friends want one. You breed when you have registration papers, the cats are shown to champion titles, genetic testing done and you've studied pedigrees and work with reputable breeders.

NO reputable breeder would breed your cat without papers. I've owned several mixes that would have been interesting to breed (odd-eye black & white bicolor, our own Ling as she was born one color and went thru several totally different color changes and ended up as a black & white cat). But I preach responsible breeding of purebreds only - so these "unusual" cats were spayed and never had even one litter of kittens.
post #7 of 13
Thread Starter 
that's my point. how does anyone know if they have a pure bred cat if they do not have some type of DNA testing? it must have started from the beginning of time and someone declared this is a pure breed and then wrote up papers themselves. Then it was passed down through generations. also isn't it true that most pure breeds are actually cross breeds and that's how they came up with that specific breed?

just to clarify, i only want to breed if I can prove my cat is pure bred. that's why I was asking for a DNA test. I plan on spaying is she is not. another reason is that it's not often you come across a white blue eyed Norwegian Forest cat that is not deaf.
post #8 of 13
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Originally Posted by blkdrgn View Post
that's my point. how does anyone know if they have a pure bred cat if they do not have some type of DNA testing?
By having papers on the cat that goes back several generations. There aren't any unknowns (or at least I certainly hope not) in established lines. And even then not all pure bred cats and dogs should be breed just for the sake of it.

IMO, spay her and love her. Being intact, heats, and kittens are so stressful on a cat - and then there's the risks along with it that can kill her before you even know what's happening. Complications can happen before or with her very first litter, even.

So again, don't bother with the DNA testing. Spend that money actually on your kitty if you're so eager to spend it. I bet she'd love a huge floor to ceiling cat tree.

Should you really wish to breed start studying up on it. Work with some breeders, establish yourself and do so with proper pure breds from good lines so you're not adding to the stock of cats with hereditary issues out there.
post #9 of 13
Thread Starter 
thanks. i think it's best to not breed like everyone suggested. we do have a pretty tall cat tree though
post #10 of 13
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Originally Posted by blkdrgn View Post
how does anyone know if they have a pure bred cat if they do not have some type of DNA testing? it must have started from the beginning of time and someone declared this is a pure breed and then wrote up papers themselves. Then it was passed down through generations. also isn't it true that most pure breeds are actually cross breeds and that's how they came up with that specific breed?

just to clarify, i only want to breed if I can prove my cat is pure bred. that's why I was asking for a DNA test. I plan on spaying is she is not. another reason is that it's not often you come across a white blue eyed Norwegian Forest cat that is not deaf.
From the registration papers and pedigree. You can't just make them up yourself, they have to be official and trust me when I say that judges and other breeders would very quickly notice if your cat is not what it's supposed to be. Of course breeders of cats and dogs (and all other animals with pedigrees) have centuries ago started by writing the pedigrees themselves to remember what came out when they mated their animals, but not for many many decades. You can look up pedigree databases to see how far the registries go, I can go as back as 1905 when looking at some of my cats ancestry.

Some breeds have developed from other breeds, some are natural like NFO which just basically is how nature made them, not by people mixing breeds. Developing an actual new breed is a very long and rocky road before the breed may end up actually being 'a breed'.

Most breeds also have very distinguish looks which separates them from other breeds, and if you know your breed you will notice possible 'flaws' when handling a cat. Also all breeding cats will have to have a microchip so they can be identified to be who/what they're claimed to be if needed.

I would never 'borrow' my studs to a person asking for a male for their random breed/possibly breed X females. I actually got a call last week from someone asking me this, the difference was that he thought he had a purebred cat, but it wasn't. It was kinda sad to tell him the truth.. (Had fake pedigree, they didn't do their homework and got the cat from a backyard breeder who makes up the pedigrees to a fake association which I'm too familiar with nowadays..)

I'm assuming you're not from (northern) europe? NFOs are very popular and common here, and the ones with blue eyes are seen every now and then too (and you can't show or breed a deaf cat), but NFOs are not bred for their colors.

It's never a good idea to breed a cat with unknown background just because it's beautiful. If everyone did that, think how many cats there would be..

Your cat is very pretty. Enjoy of her friendly company.
post #11 of 13
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Originally Posted by NorthernGlow View Post
And wait..how does having a tall cat tree have anything to do with this all?
DNA test would cost quite a bit of money. A very large cat tree can cost a $200-400. The latter would be more enjoyable to the cat..


Another thought. If the cat's temperament is good for it you can show her cat shows as a pet. She'd have to be spay first.
post #12 of 13
^Yes I noticed the point when I re-read the text and removed that part just before you posted your reply. I should concentrate better.

Cat tree is a good suggestion, I like the ones with steel beams.
post #13 of 13
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4a4CDvK868w

This is the video I was talking about the proves the DNA testing kits are NOT accurate at all.
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