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post #61 of 260
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Otto - I think that what he means is that the 'terminal' part of the terminal illness is when the fluid settles in the lungs and makes breathing difficult. So as long as that hasn't happened yet then she might live for a while longer.

At least, that's what I understood. I'm certainly not under the illusion that this was good news in the... traditional sense.

Does that make sense? I'm going to have to do more research about wet form FIP. Anyone have any good links to share? First I need to give Mack her meds and get her calm and settled.
post #62 of 260
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Otto - I think that what he means is that the 'terminal' part of the terminal illness is when the fluid settles in the lungs and makes breathing difficult. So as long as that hasn't happened yet then she might live for a while longer.

At least, that's what I understood. I'm certainly not under the illusion that this was good news in the... traditional sense.

Does that make sense? I'm going to have to do more research about wet form FIP. Anyone have any good links to share? First I need to give Mack her meds and get her calm and settled.
I am just hoping it is not Wet FIP... Because that disease not only lethal, it is fast too... But I as another member noted, it is very strange she is getting better and making progress, instead of worst.
Will be praying it is not it...
post #63 of 260
Search these forums for "interferon" ... someone here has kitties (two) that have FIP and have been being treated for it for some time now.

I do think there is a way to aspirate the fluid and test it, but I'm not 100% sure about that. Vibes and love to you and Mack!
post #64 of 260
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Hey guys, just got the test results back, they're not good. Her creatnine, urea and phosphorus levels are all really high again and her anemia hasn't improved at all. The vet's said the only thing we could really do would be to bring her back in to the vet hospital on the drip again... but that would only buy us another few weeks, and... well, I wouldn't be able to see her more often than for a couple of hours every other day. She says that it looks like Mack has progressive kidney failure, and there's nothing we can do to reverse the damage - I asked about interferon for the FIP but she says that her kidneys are too damaged to handle any other drugs.
post #65 of 260
I am so sorry to read this! ~hugs~
post #66 of 260
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Hey guys, just got the test results back, they're not good. Her creatnine, urea and phosphorus levels are all really high again and her anemia hasn't improved at all. The vet's said the only thing we could really do would be to bring her back in to the vet hospital on the drip again... but that would only buy us another few weeks, and... well, I wouldn't be able to see her more often than for a couple of hours every other day. She says that it looks like Mack has progressive kidney failure, and there's nothing we can do to reverse the damage - I asked about interferon for the FIP but she says that her kidneys are too damaged to handle any other drugs.
Oh no. I'm so sorry. I'm just....so sorry. I guess what you do now is keep her home and love her as much as you can until she's told you she's had enough? Aw, and she's been fighting so hard.
post #67 of 260
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Originally Posted by Jalindal View Post
Hey guys, just got the test results back, they're not good. Her creatnine, urea and phosphorus levels are all really high again and her anemia hasn't improved at all. The vet's said the only thing we could really do would be to bring her back in to the vet hospital on the drip again... but that would only buy us another few weeks, and... well, I wouldn't be able to see her more often than for a couple of hours every other day. She says that it looks like Mack has progressive kidney failure, and there's nothing we can do to reverse the damage - I asked about interferon for the FIP but she says that her kidneys are too damaged to handle any other drugs.
I'm so sorry to read this.
post #68 of 260
Jalindal - am so so sorry that the news is not better.
Have been following your threads and rooting for Mack. She is such a brave fighter and what a sweetheart.
Sending a lot of to both of you.
post #69 of 260
Oh sweetie, I'm sorry, so very sorry.
Please give Miss Mackerel a gentle head skritch for me, and a gentle hug to you, too.
post #70 of 260
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Thanks guys. I'll keep you updated about how she's doing... I don't really know if there's a timeline for this at all- the vet says that because they're not really sure how long she's been in renal failure they can't make a prediction about how long we have together- something about how when kidneys are failing other ways to process waste and toxins are used, and those ways get more efficient than they normally would, like a blind man who has an awesome sense of hearing to compensate. So I get the impression that it all depends on Mackerel and how much of a fighter she is. I wont be making any drastic treatment choices, but I will continue to keep giving her the meds to stimulate her appetite and improve her kidney function.. so hopefully we can keep her going for a while. Just... not too long.

How can you tell?

I really hope I'm making the right choice.
post #71 of 260
Sweetie, you have to trust your vet's information, even if the "prognosis" itself isn't correct. And the bottom line is that at this point she's better off at home being loved. Look at what a drastic change it made in her health the last time! She needed to be at the vet to give her the fighting chance - but she needed to be home to want to fight.

I'm so sorry for the sad news, sweetie. Since she's not currently in any pain (and I think that's really the deciding factor), I know you two will enjoy what time you have.

With the "love and cheese danish" principle (which is the course of action you're taking), cats have lived for MUCH longer than the vets ever thought possible.

post #72 of 260
I'm so sorry to hear about Mackeral...
You're choosing whatever is best for your baby. That's a good choice.
post #73 of 260
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Thanks guys. I'll keep you updated about how she's doing... I don't really know if there's a timeline for this at all- the vet says that because they're not really sure how long she's been in renal failure they can't make a prediction about how long we have together- something about how when kidneys are failing other ways to process waste and toxins are used, and those ways get more efficient than they normally would, like a blind man who has an awesome sense of hearing to compensate. So I get the impression that it all depends on Mackerel and how much of a fighter she is. I wont be making any drastic treatment choices, but I will continue to keep giving her the meds to stimulate her appetite and improve her kidney function.. so hopefully we can keep her going for a while. Just... not too long.

How can you tell?

I really hope I'm making the right choice.
You are. She'll let you know when she's had enough. She really will. I don't think you will make the mistake of keeping her longer than she wants to be here for yourself.

Keeping her happy and comfortable until that time is a difficult job, but I know you are up to it, may it be a much longer time than the vet predicts.

You and Mackerel are deeply bonded. Talk to her about all this. Tell her how you feel. Tell her you wouldn't let her suffer for anything, and ask her to let you know when she's had enough. She will.

Weeping too much to type any more now.
post #74 of 260
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You and Mackerel are deeply bonded. Talk to her about all this. Tell her how you feel. Tell her you wouldn't let her suffer for anything, and ask her to let you know when she's had enough. She will.

Weeping too much to type any more now.
Wonderful, wonderful advice; now off for a tissue.
post #75 of 260
I'm really sorry that the news isn't better.

I'm crying too. My heart kitty Jack died in the middle of January and in his last days I had lots and lots of heart to heart talks with him. It made me feel better to express my feelings out loud, and I really think he understood on his own level. Those last days were hard but I'm so glad to have had them. Mackerel loves you and will understand what you are telling her.
post #76 of 260
Oh, sweetie, I was really hoping you would get better news. Just keep on doing what you're doing with your sweet girl, love her and cherish her exactly as you have been, and no matter what happens down the road, you and Mack will both know that she had a great life.
post #77 of 260
I'm sorry too.
Sending hugs to you and your little girl.
Angie
post #78 of 260
Oh I am sooooo deeply sorry for you, sweetie and very, very sad to hear this news. You are such a wonderful meowmy to your darling Mack. Just let her be with you for the time she has left and just tell her about what is going on with her health, she will understand. This is just awful and I am so sorry you are going through this with this amazing cat (who is such a fighter) You and Mack are both very strong and know you have tons of support and love going out to you both
post #79 of 260
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Thanks for the love and vibes, everyone.

I woke up this morning to find Mackerel eating litter. That's a sign of anemia, right? Should I stop her doing it? I don't know whether eating the litter is harmful in any way or anything...
post #80 of 260
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I've done some research, we use crystals.. so what I've done is to change the litter so it's very clean and every time she goes to eat it I'm distracting her with food and other things.
post #81 of 260
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I've done some research, we use crystals.. so what I've done is to change the litter so it's very clean and every time she goes to eat it I'm distracting her with food and other things.
That sounds like a good plan. Remember to keep your spirits up when you are with her. I know it can be difficult sometimes but cats are emotional barometers and if you are sad she will be sad too.

Continued love and vibes for you both

post #82 of 260
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Thanks Otto. I think we're doing pretty well at keeping cheerful. Lots of love and cuddles and delishus noms. :-3
post #83 of 260
Oh dear, no. I didn't expect to be reading this.

I am just so sorry. You two have certainly fought the good fight. I am just shocked. And all I can do is send hugs and prayers.

You two are a good team. Enjoy her as much as you can now. Sorry, I can't see to type anymore.

God bless.
post #84 of 260
I am so sorry to hear this news. Mackerel is such a sweetheart. She will hear you when you talk to her and tell how much you love her. I am sending lots of warm thoughts, hugs and your way.
post #85 of 260
I really don't have anything to add except that the healing/miracle are still coming to you and Miss Mackerel. Don't give up, Sophie; prayers are answered every day.
post #86 of 260
This is from IVillage:

Cats are well-known for being fussy eaters, always demanding the freshest, tastiest foods. But occasionally a cat will go to the other extreme and begin snacking in the most unappetizing of places, the litter box.

Eating litter isn't necessarily dangerous, although cats that take more than a small nibble may get obstructions in their intestinal tracts. The real problem isn't the litter lunch itself but the underlying condition that is causing them to take up the habit.

"A cat that suddenly starts eating litter is almost always sick," says Jane Brunt, D.V.M., a veterinarian in private practice in Towson, Maryland. For example, cats with anemia, a condition in which the body doesn't have enough red blood cells, will sometimes eat litter. Vets aren't sure why they do it, but it may be nature's way of getting more iron into their systems. Cats with kidney disease or feline leukemia will also eat litter on occasion, she says.

"Cats with poor diets, especially those given vegetarian diets, may crave nutrients," adds Carol A. Tice, D.V.M., a veterinarian in private practice in Cary, North Carolina. The clay used to make litter is rich in minerals and may act as a natural supplement. Cats that keep eating litter, however, may actually lose nutrients because the clay will leach out more minerals like iron, zinc, and potassium than it puts back in.

My cat Jabberwocky was doing this very thing: eating kitty litter. He was just getting over a persistent fever, although he did not lose his appetite, but unfortunately had a serious respiratory problem. From what I could figure out, he felt he was needing an essential mineral from the litter.

My veterinarian agreed and although he doesn't always tell me what he gives the kitties, he took Jabberwocky into intensive care and made sure he got all the supplements he needed.

Jabberwocky has recovered fully and no longer craves kitty litter.

Also of note, my old tuxedo kitty, Spooky, who was recently having circulatory system difficulties and my veterinarian said he clearly has anemia, didn't crave litter at all. I was giving him kitty vitamins every other day for two weeks while he had been ill only one month. He had better days and then down days. His temp was too low, under 100 degrees! He is with the veterinarian now and has been for 2 weeks, sleeping on an electric heated throw blanket all the time. His anemia is almost gone, taking a prescription medication and Hawthorn herb, along with his daily vitamins and minerals. He also has a different diet.
post #87 of 260
Mackerel is such a sweetheart and so so lucky to have you. I really hope the vets are wrong in this case
Tons of vibes to Mackerel sweetie and you.
I have been intently following Mackerel's progress and showed DH her pics and we are both her fans now. She is such a special kitty - you must be very proud of her. And she knows how much she is loved!
post #88 of 260
Sending tons of vibes and prayers you and Mackerel's way! Hopefully this is just another bump in the road, and a miracle will happen.
post #89 of 260
Not sure about the why of the litter eating now. A quick call to the vet and they might give you some information and if this has something to do with Mack's condition. Again, sending mega to you and Mackerel..... You two are quite a team at the moment, fighting this together
post #90 of 260
To everyone but Jalindal, they already know Mack is anemic.

Jalindal, I expect that why she's eating the litter. I think your plan is a good one. We didn't change the litter we use when Tuxie was eating it, we did just what you're doing.



And of course more for your beautiful baby girl!
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