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Middle aged cat pooping outside litter box

post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 
Hello everyone! I'm having issues with one of our two cats pooping outside of the litter box and I can't seem to find a reason for his behavior. Here's a little history:

I've had my fixed female cat Gristle for about 8 years now. She is a very unemotional, "solo" cat, but she is my baby and I love her very much. In May 2010, we moved to Florida (from Louisiana) and moved in with my boyfriend and his fixed male cat Henry (probably 9 years old, I'd say).

Gristle and Henry tolerate each other. They play every now and then, but they also fuss sometimes. They typically leave one another alone. Gristle likes to sleep upstairs in the 2nd bedroom while Henry maintains his spot on the couch downstairs.

This problem has gotten progressively worse (Henry's pooping outside the litter box, I mean). We have one large, covered litter box downstairs that both of them shared at one point. We used the very tiny clumping litter. Henry began pooping outside the litter box about a month after Gristle and I moved in. At that point, he was pooping anywhere: on the tile floor, the carpet upstairs, the rugs in the bathroom, etc. But he was still urinating in the litter box.

Long story short, I've done TONS of reading on the internet (especially here) and have tried different methods to help ease whatever issues he's having. Here's what I've done so far over the past 8 or so months:

1) We now have two litter boxes, one up stairs, one downstairs
2) I've tried both boxes uncovered (no change)
3) I've ceased using litter box liners
4) I've moved their feeding "station" far away from the location of the litter box downstairs
5) We've changed brands/types of litter multiple times and have recently started incorporating a new "pellet" type of litter (to try to lower the amount of litter that they kick everywhere)
6) The new litter that we are using is being incorporated at a delightfully slow pace

So far, nothing has worked. Henry continues to poop randomly, but he seems to prefer the mat outside of the litter box OR one of the rugs at the front and back doors.

I'm at my wit's end. I can't keep cleaning up cat poop. He is a happy cat and gets lots of love and attention. He's also a "howler", if that makes sense. He will come upstairs and just "howl" like crazy, even though he's been fed, watered, clean litter box, etc. Not sure if that is relevant, but I figured I'd add it :P

I'm not sure what else to do at this point. He likes to eat his food (most of the time) without chewing, and he has a long history of hairball problems. About every 3-4 days, he leaves us a nice regurgitated present on the floor. I've read that cats with hairballs are prone to being constipated or having hard, dry feces. Would that be part of the problem here? We feed our cats hairball formula cat food and have tried the remedies from Petsmart, etc. But alas, nothing has eased his tendencies.

Sorry for the long rant, and thank you in advance for any thoughts, ideas, etc. I have no clue what to do next.
post #2 of 17
When was Henry's last check up? If it is not a behavior problem, it could be a health issue. What do you use to clean the soiled surfaces? Be sure you use the right cleansers to remove all odors.
post #3 of 17
Go back to plain clay litter no scent. Go for what the cats want.
post #4 of 17
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5) We've changed brands/types of litter multiple times and have recently started incorporating a new "pellet" type of litter (to try to lower the amount of litter that they kick everywhere)
I bet this is adding to the problem right there.
Pellet litters are uncomfortable for a lot of cats... I had a serious problem with my cat, who started urinating outside of the box as soon as I started using it. It took me a lot of patience, time and $$$ to train her back. You are lucky it is poop and not pee... Poop problems are a classic in this type of litter, and when not medical are usually a sign the kitty is not happy with the litter or the box itself.

I strongly advise you to go back to basic unscented clay, clumping, or Better yet, get "Cat Attract litter".
One extra litter box than the number of cats, uncovered. Make them easily accessible, in a safe place, not inside of a closet, nor in a garage or in a laundry room. Essentially, nowhere the kitty would feel trapped or where loud noises would startle him.

Good Luck!
post #5 of 17
Did Henry ever poop outside of the box before you moved in with Gristle?? This would speak volumes for me. Maybe introductions with the two were not done slowly and caused some anxiety for Henry? I would too just go back to an unscented clay type litter and add another box located in the general area that Henry is pooping. Some cats do want to poop and pee in separate boxes. Pipsqueak always poops in one box and will go to another box to pee. He always uses the same boxes like clockwork. So if you just add another box, it might help. The Cat Attract litter is a good suggestion from Carolina too. Good luck, poor Henry, I am sure he is trying to tell you something HUH!!!
post #6 of 17
In addition to the other excellent advice, add more boxes. Two is not enough for two cats, especially two cats who are relative strangers to one another.

But do have Henry evaluated by your vet, he may have constipation problems.
post #7 of 17
Thread Starter 
Hey everyone! Thanks so much for the replies and suggestions-

1) Henry, unfortunately, has not had a checkup in a long time. I know this is a sad, typical excuse, but my boyfriend and I are both poor college students working paycheck to paycheck. However, I am working extra on the side now and am slowly putting back some extra $$$ to pay for a doctor's visit.

2) In response to some of the replies about the litter: regardless of what brand/scent/etc we've tried, he has continued to poop wherever he wants to poop. Our main reason for changing the litter type in the first place is because these two are a little bit on the crazy side and take much pleasure in kicking and tracking as much litter as they can all across the house. It's unreal. You'd think they were kittens! Any time we have tried an alternative litter, the poop problem has gotten no better or worse, it's always pretty much been consistent. And when we have changed litter types, we've done it very slowly over time in attempt to not mess up their cat mojo. We've probably tried only 3 different types over the past 8 months. We're currently trying the pellet litter in attempt to ease the pooping issue (was hoping he would like this style better... alas... he does not) and to try to lower the amount of litter that they manage to track through the house.

3) As for the boxes: right now, they are both inside well-sized bathrooms (one upstairs, one downstairs). Neither bathroom is closed off and they have plenty of room to roam around when they go in there to do their business. We also have a quiet home - no kids, no loud music - nothing to really scare them. They don't spook one another, so I doubt Henry is getting harassed or anything while he does his stuff.

4) Did Henry poop outside the litter box before Gristle and I moved in? Yes, but not as frequently (according to my boyfriend). I always attributed this to him being somewhat lazy when it comes to cleaning out the cat boxes, so I assumed Henry didn't like a dirty box and therefore wouldn't poop in it. Since I've moved in, we're been cleaning the boxes religiously. Henry was introduced to Gristle as gently and slowly as we could manage. We made the long 14hr drive from Louisiana to Florida in one day with Gristle in the U-Haul with us. But once we arrived, Gristle stayed in a quiet room by herself for a while, and over time we introduced the two. There was never any crazy fighting or anything like that - just some funny looks :P

The biggest problem I'm having right now (other than the obvious) is the money it's costing me. And again, I know... that's such a horrible excuse, but it's an honest one. Good quality products cost money and we're making more trips to Petsmart than I ever thought we would. The next step is to take Henry to the vet - hopefully in the next month - and get him checked out. Don't get me wrong, I don't want anything to be wrong with him! But if he comes back with a clean bill of health, I will be one sad cat owner. This is driving me bonkers.
post #8 of 17
sounds like a similar situation with my 9 y/o male who has been pooping very hard turds just outside the litter box or just outside the bedroom with the litter box. it has been going on for 6 months and i finally saw him do it. he strained in the litter box, nothing came out, then after leaving the litter box he sort of scooted his butt on the floor then walked away leaving a turd on the floor. he seems to be having trouble voiding in the box, but maybe walking away works the turd out. when my vet felt of him he had a very full colon and said he might have low motility. i've been trying a stool softener pill and also high fiber food for about 10 days, so far no big change. sounds like you've tried about everything, hope you get some results from a vet visit.
post #9 of 17
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Originally Posted by chiapet View Post
sounds like a similar situation with my 9 y/o male who has been pooping very hard turds just outside the litter box or just outside the bedroom with the litter box. it has been going on for 6 months and i finally saw him do it. he strained in the litter box, nothing came out, then after leaving the litter box he sort of scooted his butt on the floor then walked away leaving a turd on the floor. he seems to be having trouble voiding in the box, but maybe walking away works the turd out. when my vet felt of him he had a very full colon and said he might have low motility. i've been trying a stool softener pill and also high fiber food for about 10 days, so far no big change. sounds like you've tried about everything, hope you get some results from a vet visit.
Hello and welcome to The Cat Site. Stool softeners and added fiber will not help with low motility. the softener may help soften the stool, but the fiber is counter productive. Fiber draws water to the colon, enlarging the stool (and can cause dehydration) which makes the stool even more difficult to pass.

A cat with motility problems needs to be on a motility agent, and that is cisapride. Please talk to your vet, or get a second opinion on this for your poor kitty.

Your cat should be on an all canned low fiber diet.
post #10 of 17
thanks for the advice. i just started feeding wet food yesterday after reading more about megacolon and low motility. i also added water to it and he really loved lapping it up. i am very hopeful for improvement. it seems logical (now) that this will help his stools not be so hard and dry.
post #11 of 17
Just to let you know, one of my senior cats (Squirrel) she is 10 years old also started pooping outside of the litter pan recently- several feet from the pans in fact. I have had her since a kitten and she has never done this. I took her to the vet. She has been diagnosed with lymph gland cancer. I urge you to find the money to take your older kitty to the vet and have a CBC run on her.
post #12 of 17
Thread Starter 
Yes, you guys are absolutely right - it's time for a vet checkup. I don't want Henry to be in pain or be sick, or possibly get worse, etc.

We're spending so much money on these "home remedies", but it's time to get him there. Next on the "big things to buy" list is Henry's vet visit, so that's what we're putting money aside for now. I'll try to remember to post the results once we get to that point. Thank you, everyone, for your suggestions and most of all your kindness
post #13 of 17
Jubileey- since you've tried all kinds of litter changes without improvement, i wondered if you'd tried changing to wet food? i did recently and have had good results. hardly any turds outside the box. my cats abdomen feels more normal now, it had felt full and hard but is much softer now.
i was wondering if your cat's howling is an indication of the pain of constipation? my vet's advice to use a higher fiber food wasn't working. i've been learning a lot from comments on the internet from others with similar situations. i think wet food is the way to keep his stool softer. oh, and he hasn't had any hairballs lately either..... yes! hope this helps.
post #14 of 17
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Originally Posted by Jubileey View Post
Sorry for the long rant, and thank you in advance for any thoughts, ideas, etc. I have no clue what to do next.
I live in a three story townhome with an extra flight of stairs to the sunken area where the two cats' sole litter box is. One of my cats always hangs out on the third floor so it is a long trip down to the litter box, yet neither cat has ever, ever had an accident outside of the litterbox. There are many stairs in this house and they must traverse these stairs to get to both their litter box and their food supply. I am not bragging about my cats but offer a possibility. When we moved into this house the cats were used to a flat and shared a litterbox. We (after reading many TCS forums), decided to get a Buddha Dome. It is truly some kind of miracle that both cats have never had an accident in three years now. The store we bought the Buddha dome from offered a 30 day free trial. See if you can get the same deal and give it a try. My cats really like it and do not mind at all that it is covered. It is like a sanctuary to them.
post #15 of 17
My cat is having pretty much the same problem. Very dry and hard poopie outside the litter box. I am another poor college student so I would like to avoid the vet if I can but not at the expense of my cat's health. I think the problem is that I recently switched cat foods (both dry) after we spent some time at my parents house for spring break. She was not having any problem before I switched unless her litter box was real dirty but I keep it very clean now. Can any of you recommend some good wet cat food that will help to soften her stool? Or should I just switch back to the old dry cat food I was using?

By the way she has been very prone to hairballs so I am afraid that switching to wet cat food will give her more hairballs...

Thanks for the help!
post #16 of 17
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Originally Posted by kschloss View Post
My cat is having pretty much the same problem. Very dry and hard poopie outside the litter box. I am another poor college student so I would like to avoid the vet if I can but not at the expense of my cat's health. I think the problem is that I recently switched cat foods (both dry) after we spent some time at my parents house for spring break. She was not having any problem before I switched unless her litter box was real dirty but I keep it very clean now. Can any of you recommend some good wet cat food that will help to soften her stool? Or should I just switch back to the old dry cat food I was using?

By the way she has been very prone to hairballs so I am afraid that switching to wet cat food will give her more hairballs...

Thanks for the help!
ANY wet food will help. But go for the best quality you can afford, foods that don't have grains if possible, and low fiber.

Dry food has no benefit to hairballs. Daily brushing, and using a hair ball remedy on a schedule (once a week, for example) will help with hairball problems.

Chronic constipation leads to megacolon. The only cure for megacolon is surgery. So you definitely want to get a handle on it now. Get her on a canned diet to start. Feed small portions more often, and add a little water to every serving.

Welcome to TCS!
post #17 of 17
choosing wet cat food is confusing, so many choices! cats can be very picky about what they like so i've been experimenting. one of mine will eat any and the other only likes flaked food with a sauce. there is a helpful chart with the breakdown of protein, carbs, etc.... google- Janet and Binky's food chart. i've been trying to stay with low carbs. i read some opinions that even cheap wet food was better than high carb dry food.
actually my cats are still eating some dry food. i feed wet food first and then a little dry after they finish. it's a lot of trouble but my picky one doesn't want to finish the wet food without a lot of encouragement, he really loves his dry food. but he's the one that had the poopy problem and the wet food seems to have disappeared!!!!!
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