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Kitsy is at the vet

post #1 of 18
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My kitten went in to the vet today to be spayed, front de-clawed ( and I didn't know my boyfriend signed her up for that, I'm mad but apparently it's already done, so we'll have to deal with it!) and to be micro-chipped.
I'm so worried about her, she's never been away from me longer than a day, unless I'm the one who is gone and she's somewhere she feels safe.
But she doesn't know what's going on and my big momma cat heart is torn she's not spending the night here. I got a call from the vet, and the surgeries went smooth and she's medicated and sleeping. We go to pick her up tomorrow afternoon.

I changed the litter to "Yesterday's News" as the websites I've viewed told me too. I just know she's in pain all over and I guess I need some re-assurance from cat people (my friends dont really like cats) that she'll be okay.

And any other advice on accommodating her surroundings before she gets here is appreciated.
post #2 of 18
I have never had or even seen a declawed cat. Just wanted to say I'm so very very sorry for you and your poor kitty. Your boy friend would be a ex if he had of done that!
I hope you poor kitty has no lingering problems from the declaw I'm sure she will be in a pain for along time..
post #3 of 18
It's possible that her boyfriend didn't realize everything that can happen with a declaw surgery - without us being there or knowing the full story (both sides) I don't really feel that we should comment on that... she didn't come here asking for comments on the fact that her boyfriend did that, she came on to ask what she can do to better accomodate the kitten now that it's already been done. What good are negative comments now? It wasn't HER decision. I had my boyfriend take my dogs in to get their shots once and he got them a shot that they normally don't have because the breed is known for reactions to it - it wasn't his fault, it wasn't the vet's fault. These things happen, and yes, it sucks but like I said, what's done is done.

Check her paws a couple of times a day to make sure there is no abnormal redness or swelling. If it's smelling, bleeding or looks infected call the vet. She may have some bleeding for a few days after the surgery.

Try not to let her jump for 10 days after the surgery. It will help them heal faster and they won't be as sore. If you can, confine her to one room, like a bedroom, where there isn't much to jump off of.

Ask for pain medication for her. Most vets automatically give it now but some don't.

Give her plenty of soft things to lay on, it seems to help.
post #4 of 18
Keep it nice people - what's done is done & nothing can change that. You can offer helpful advice or you can be rude & drive a member away. TCS is anti-declaw, and obviously this member is not happy about her kitty being declawed. Keep the claws in!

Now on to the testing portion of this session....

I had a kitty declawed when she was spayed 8 or 9 years ago - I too was unaware she was going to be declawed! All my others have claws now & I can see as she ages how it has altered the way she moves, uses the litterbox, & changed her life. I have seen 2 former foster kittens declawed as well a few years back.

What type of litter was your kitty using? Some cats will not readily accept litter change & may refuse to use YN or other pelleted litter. Do not give her clumping litter for at least 2 - 4 weeks, as cats take varying rates of time to heal. You don't want to risk litter getting in her paws. I highly suggest confining her to a small room for at least 2 weeks post-op. You need to greatly limit movement, as she will be forced to walk on her paws which will cause her great pain. Pain meds can dull the pain enough that they move around too much. If the vet only gives you 5 days or pain meds, demand more - trust me on that one. She shouldn't be jumping on anything at all for a few weeks if you can avoid it.
post #5 of 18
Wow, that is just so wrong and so sad. I am REALLY sorry for you and your kitty. Mad is surely an appropriate reaction - but that he felt entitled to do something like that without asking you is just ... wrong on so many levels.

Anyway, I'm sure she'll recover from the spay just fine. Rarely are there complications, and if she made it through the anesthesia fine, there's not a lot to do - especially as she's at the vet and not home with you for recovery.

As to the declaw, that's different. It will likely hurt her to walk for some time, and I know that others had to carry their cats - well - here's an article on what you can expect and what you need to look out for. This is hosted on a collaborative website by several members of TCS, and written by a member of TCS. Here's the link: http://www.straypetadvocacy.org/declaw_detoe.html

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"I was sick for months after learning on the internet what I had done to Trent! I apologized to him every day for at least 6 months. Actually the regret came much sooner than that. In the days following bringing him home his paws hurt so badly that he wouldn't walk anywhere, so being the doting Mommy, I carried him. We were given no pain management medicine; in fact the vet never even mentioned the amount of pain he would be in after the surgery. Each morning and when he woke up from naps I would carry him from his cave-type bed to his litterbox, where he would go to the bathroom despite his obvious pain, then I'd carry him to his food and water to let him eat and drink, then to the bed where I would pet him and love him and he would try to get comfortable with drumsticks for front legs and paws. He shook his paws a lot, whether trying to shake off the bandages or shake off the pain, I'm not sure. He slept most of the days and nights, and when he woke up he would quietly meow to let me know he was awake and needed to use the litterbox, or needed comforting.

"Then his paws got infected and we literally almost lost him. He was so very dehydrated, and wouldn't move on his own to drink or eat. We were forced to make a midnight trip to the emergency vet two days after Trent came home (and with the money that cost on top of the surgery itself, the vet's office made a good profit from us). Of course, you have to realize, this was all happening the week that my mother passed away. Trent was neutered/declawed and brought home on Thursday, Mom passed away on Sunday night/Monday morning. I still believe the only reason that he is still with us is because I was home on Tuesday making a memorial for Mom, and at least every hour I brought him out of his hiding spot to love on him and to bring him to the food and water he desperately needed. After that day he started getting better.

"But I know NOW that for the rest of his life he is at risk for arthritis, back problems, joint problems, and foot problems for which he would not be at risk if his toes were not amputated. And this is all because of MY decision, even though I feel like I was tricked into it. Declawing is NOT just removing the nail and nail bed, and that is the exact explanation the vet gave me when I asked what all is involved in declawing. You just don't know how horrible it makes me feel, every time I see Trent struggle to jump all the way to the top of the cat tree while Ophelia just scales it, every time he snuggles me and I see and feel that a large part of his paws are missing. It just makes me want to cry.

"That is why I'm so big on the vets being HONEST, and legally being held accountable to tell the truth about declawing. They lied to me and Trent paid for it with his toes. They made it sound like it was standard procedure to do when you bring them in for spay/neuter. They put me on the spot when we dropped him off, I had no chance to research it, and I trusted them when they gave me the explanation of what it involved. But they LIED to get more money out of me. And apparently a lot of vets do the same thing."


Did the vet mention that a cat, when awake, spends about 1/3 of its time grooming itself? That the claws play an important role in this function, and that grooming is the way a cat helps to control its body temperature, its scent signals, skin irritations, and more? (See "Why Claws Are Important to Cats," by HDW Enterprises and Foothill Felines Bengals and other links, below).

Did the vet mention that the cat requires its claws for balance, to jump, to climb, and that "declawing" your cat then makes your cat susceptible to back problems, arthritis, joint problems and other foot problems that he would not otherwise face - because declawing results in a gradual weakening of the back, shoulder and leg muscles? Did the vet mention that cats walk on their toes, not the pads of their feet, and declawing forces them to walk in an unnatural way?

Did the vet mention that many declawed cats resort to biting as an alternative method of defense? That some declawed cats become very aggressive because their primary defense is taken away? That many declawed cats stop using the litterbox because it is so painful?

No. Unfortunately, too many vets do not tell us these things before we have our cats declawed. And many caring but uninformed cat guardians agree to declawing on the advice of the medical professional they should be able to trust. We applaud those vets who do tell the truth and inform their clients fully about this "procedure."

And here is what else the vet didn't tell you:

"A 1994 study by the Department of Veterinary Clinical Sciences at Washington State University College of Veterinary Medicine found that of 163 cats who were declawed, 50 percent had one or more complications immediately after surgery, such as pain, hemorrhage, lameness, swelling, and non-weight bearing. Of the 121 cats whose progress was followed after surgery, 20 percent had continued complications, such as infection, regrowth, bone protrusion into the pad of the paw and prolonged intermittent lameness and palmagrade stance (abnormal standing posture).

"Seventy percent (70%) of cats turned into pounds and shelters for behavioral problems are declawed cats." ("Clawed for Life," ©1997-2003 by www.sniksnak.com - link to article below in our Articles and Links section).

The "declawing" of a cat is toe amputation, and it is painful and traumatic for both cat and owner. Australia, Austria, Belgium, Brazil, Denmark, England, Finland, France, Germany, Ireland, Israel, Italy, Japan, Netherlands, New Zealand, Northern Ireland, Norway, Portugal, Scotland, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland and Wales have all banned declawing except in the case of medical necessity. It is illegal in these countries. Why? Because these countries have determined that "declawing" is inhumane and an unnecessary mutilation. "Declawing" makes us think that we are removing our cats' claws, which most of us think of as simply a form of toenail. This is not the case!!!!! When we declaw, we are amputating our cats' toes and putting him at risk for many potential immediate and future problems.
your kitty will avoid the worst of the "side effects" of a detoe.
post #6 of 18
We almost always have a few declawed cats at the shelter. I've never dealt with one that had any real problems because of it, and I understand the motivation of those with nice furniture (a category that would not include me).

The good news is that a declawed cat that is caught as a stray or surrendered to the shelter has a much better chance of being adopted and is much less likely to be euthanized, just because we have a certain number of people coming in looking for one.

My sister, the bleeding-heart liberal tree hugger, always declaws her cats. Obviously, this is a subject the even the best people don't understand or have a blind spot on.
post #7 of 18
Blue (my 14 year old) and Sissy (my sweet bridge kitty) were front AND back declawed before I got them. They lived nice, long happy lives and have not had any issues with the declawing. I was very particular about them and they did not/have not ever gone outside (on purpose...and when one escaped a time or two, we searched until said baby was brought in safely) because they could not protect themselves at all.

Your kitty will be in a lot of pain - spending the night at the vet is probably best since she will be kept still in the kennel tonight. The hardest part for you is going to be keeping her still when she gets home (the paws can bleed for DAYS after the surgery and some cats will even try to remove the bandages). The vet may send her home with pain meds. That is a lot of trauma at once.

I hope you will update us when she is feeling better! This too shall pass. *hugs* to you and your furbaby!
post #8 of 18
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Originally Posted by mrblanche View Post
I understand the motivation of those with nice furniture (a category that would not include me).
With the invention of "Soft Paws," this category needs to be obsolete. Blue has no claws front or back. Chloe and Rex wear soft paws at all times and none of the cats hurt my furniture at all (and it is leather).
post #9 of 18
Another thing to consider..With no front claws your cat is not able to defend itself and will for sure have to be a inside only cat..
post #10 of 18
Thread Starter 
Thank you everyone.
I realize the challenges ahead and ill keep everyone posted on her healing.
Both my cats are strictly indoors and will remain that way.
post #11 of 18
Since it's a kitten rather than an adult she'll will recover quicker and will adjust to being declawed much more easily than an adult. The behavior problems usually occur when an adult cat is declawed. I have no experience but I have heard of people using shredded newspaper in the litter box. Doesn't really do the job of litter but it keeps them in the habit of using the litter box and won't cause problems with the healing of the declaw.
post #12 of 18
I'm so sorry. I can only imagine how you must have felt

Your at the right place for help and support should you need it though, but many mega healing and painfree coming for Kitsy
post #13 of 18
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Originally Posted by BlueRexBear View Post
With the invention of "Soft Paws," this category needs to be obsolete. Blue has no claws front or back. Chloe and Rex wear soft paws at all times and none of the cats hurt my furniture at all (and it is leather).
True. When we worked for a large trucking company, they required that cats be declawed to ride in the truck. We demonstrated Soft Paws to them on our Wickett, and they approved it. He never did any damage to the truck.

I understand that declawing is now illegal in many countries, and I know there are a number of cities in the U.S. that are taking that step, too.

I just clip the claws on our current cats. But then, they're not riding in the truck, either.
post #14 of 18
My cat had been declawed (front) when I got her from the shelter. The Shelter lady said "oh, no one will want her as she has been declawed"...well, that did it for me, she was home with me in a second! She is a sweet, lovely and kind cat, she goes out into the little garden I have as I can keep an eye on her there and there is only one neighborhood cat around (she doesn't like her) who tends to keep away. It's not her fault that she has no claws, nor is it your fault or even your boyfriends fault....these things happen. She "scratches" at her favorite spot on the rug and the cushion...she doesn't know the difference!
I love her to pieces and I know you love your cat.
post #15 of 18
Many people come into the shelter where I volunteer looking for declawed cats. These cats have a better chance for quick adoption. The shelter doesn't declaw. They discourage it in the literature they give out with adoptions, but they aren't exactly against it.

My parents had our cats front paw declawed. My mother insisted because of the furniture. This always bothered me. I'm very against it now. VERY! But, I must admit that none of those cats showed any behavior problems from it. This involved 5 cats when I was growing up.

I have nice furniture. Some of it is quite new and I intend for it to stay beautiful for many years.

I don't clip my cats' nails. I don't find any reason to do so, at all. I want my cats to have fully workable claws should they ever get outside by accident. They have scratching posts - 5 of them - different types. They use them. I respect their claws. I don't let them sit on my bare skin or take other risks like that. They don't get their claws caught in things. It is normal and natural for cats to have claws - including the tips of them. They know how to handle them. I don't remember getting scratched by any of my cats. I sometimes get scratched at the shelter as I am working on socializing cats. My Ariel scratched the person who put her in the carrier when she had to go to the vet. But Ariel has problems, and taking hold of her paw, or her, is long away from danger free at this point.

To trained the 5 cats who have moved in since December of 2007 to not scratch furniture, I used Sticky Paws 2 sided tape, available at big pet stores. I put strips of it on spots where my cats wanted to scratch on furniture. They don't like how it feels and they give up the whole idea. After a couple months (for Harlow it took 4 months) I took off the tape. Problem is gone.

Maybe your boyfriend had no idea about how terrible declawing is and how you feel about it. That's some excuse.

Robin
post #16 of 18
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Originally Posted by quietlydestroyd View Post
Thank you everyone.
I realize the challenges ahead and ill keep everyone posted on her healing.
Both my cats are strictly indoors and will remain that way.
How long was the recovery period if you don't mind? Any complications such as bleeding, infection, or signs of lameness? Hope all is well.

To throw in my 2cents, from my research the recovery and the risks and possible side-effects vary depending on the type of declaw and procedure used. The most dangerous part of the procedure is the anesthesia though, but since it is needed for the spay surgery anyway its statistically minimal extra major risk.

It is a routine surgery at this point in the US with a low reported complication rate, but the same can be said about spay surgeries, and I believe we have a member here who's poor kitty went blind from the operation. And I have read much worse, and freak incidents do occur (that beautiful Brazilian model recently died from minor cosmetic surgery she didn't even need for example), so I can understand the concerns over unnecessary elective surgery.

One type involves a tiny incision tendonectomy, which retain the claw but involve removing the ability to extend it. This is minor and quick healing, but means that constant human intervention is needed throughout the cats life to clip the claw, or else it can grow too long curving into the pad.

Other declaws involve either partial or complete removal of the distal phalanx. Partial removal retains the entire digit and tendons, but removes only the claw and the germinal cells of the supporting bone via shaving. The risk of this surgery is that if incomplete and any germinal cells remain, the claw can regrow behind the soft tissue which would be very painful. Complete removal of the bone is over the long term safer, and the bone is not needed for walking as it is naturally retracted for normal locomotion and does not support the footpad. The claw naturally has a protective sheath of loose skin around it, and this allows for a simple closure w/o a sensitive tight stub end.

There are different methods of performing this declaw as well, either with traditional scalpel procedure or the newer laser surgery and surgical glue to close the wounds, and that effects results. Lasers are very expensive equipment and require proper training in their use, like any tool. Luckily, they have been in circulation for quite some time now, so there are plenty of experienced operators, but the cost is still passed on to you so its often three times the price. The benefit is the same as in human laser surgery, that the laser instantly cauterizes nerve and blood vessels, resulting in greatly reduced pain and bleeding so no bandaging is required, with much more rapid healing and reduced risk of infection.

Healing time for traditional scalpel method is around 2 weeks, whereas younger kitties are said to usually be walking around normally by day 2 with laser surgery. Cost aside, I believe just about anyone would agree that if the choices are between traditional and laser/glue, modern laser surgery is much better.

For precautions post surgery, its obviously too late now, but for others searching this thread in the future, the cat would be best confined to a room or rooms with soft carpeted flooring if possible and nothing very high to jump off of. With pain medication and laser surgery, the toes will likely feel numb and tingly and not painful, so cats may still run and jump hard on them which is ill advised until healed. Special litter is advised, usually Yesterday's News unscented, but I know the Swheat Scoop I buy is also advertised to be safe w/ kittens and recent declaws so may work as well. Definitely avoid clay.
post #17 of 18
Oh, I'm sorry. I would be absolutely infuriated if that happened to my kitties. Sending that she'll have no complications.
I've known some declawed cats, but I've never had my own cats declawed, so I have no information for you. The general knowledge of what can happen I have has already been mentioned. I just wanted to drop in and send some and .
post #18 of 18
I'd sure like to see an update on this kitty. Obviously a concerned and loving mom.
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