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Meowing problem with one of our Old Ladies

post #1 of 16
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Bootser will be 17 years old in July. For the last several years (yes, years) she has been meowing at night. We put a night light in the bathroom and that seemed to quiet her down a little bit.

They get fed around 5:00 in the morning (when DH gets up for work during the week) and then again at 3:45 in the afternoon. Bootser is a puker, meaning that two or three times a week, she will throw up her meals. She's been to the vet and there's nothing wrong. She's been on a variety of foods from crappy food to premium food....she throws it all up. So does her litter sister, Whisper. We think it's a genetic thing. Other than that, Bootser is very healthy, but she is very thin. (She just went for her geriatric physical last month and was pronounced healthy.) Whisper was recently diagnosed with CRF....she has been put on KD canned food. And yes, she throws that up, too.

Anyway, Bootser has decided now that 5:00 for breakfast isn't early enough. And she's started to meow around 4:00. That gets the other cats started in....Ms. Pepe and even BooBoo are meowing now right along with her. I cannot tell you when the last time was that I've really had a good night's sleep. We used to be able to shoo all the cats out of the bedroom and shut the door. Since Mollipop joined our family, she sits outside of the bedroom door and either claws at the carpet or bodyslams the bedroom door, crying. She wants in the bedroom, but as soon as she comes in, she wants back out. It's a vicious circle and to be honest? It's very wearing.

During the week, Bootser starts in around 4:00, sometimes even around 3:30. Meow, meow, meow, meow. Then Pepe meows, usually followed by BooBoo. Whisper is next. Mollipop is awake, by that time, and while she doesn't meow or anything, SHE plays with the stuff right under the bed. God help us, if we have to go to the bathroom around 2:00 or so...b/c as soon as we so much as even roll over in bed, Bootser is right there. And when that alarm goes off at 5:00? Dear lord, what a madhouse! It's a daily thing, that just never, ever stops. I've gotten to the point where I absolutely hate mornings on weekends. And afternoons. It's simply crazy.

DH and I started taking turns getting up and giving them breakfast on the weekends. The problem is that once I'm awake, I'm up. I feed them at 5:00, but if I go back to bed at that point, I either don't go back to sleep or I don't fall back asleep until around 6:30 or so, which means then I sleep until around 9:00...and my morning is pretty well shot at that point. I usually end up starting to work on laundry or other household tasks.

We've tried giving them a night snack, around 10 or so, thinking that might help. Now they want their bedtime snack, but she still starts meowing and fussing around 4:00 in the morning. She'll come into the bedroom, sit on the floor at my side of the bed and just start meowing. If I dont respond, and I try not to, she'll jump on the bed, sit on me and yell in my ear. She wants food and she's going to get food, and she doesn't care how she has to go about it.

When we're home during the day (weekends, for example), she starts in fussing around 1:30 or 2:00 for her supper and that gets everybody else fussing....like I said, they get their supper around 3:45 or so. But when we're home, they also get a lunch of dry kibble and some Sip. These kids are NOT starving! And Bootser is not starving either!

I honestly don't know what to do. We always said we won't put her down; that's not fair to her. And we always said that we brought her into the house, so it's our responsibility to take care of her. And we also feel guilty because we did bring her inside. She was happy outdoors, she really was. We thought that bringing her inside would keep her safe. And I'm sure that had she spent her life outside, she would have never lived to be almost 17 years old. But she has not been a happy cat since she's been inside...and we do feel guilty about that. Even now, she'd go outside in a second, if she could. That's not an option. And we're trying to deal with this. But she is simply not a happy cat.

And I'm just tired. I'm so tired. Yes, it's been going on for years, but the whole situation has steadily gotten worse over time. It's nerve-wracking and I think it's showing in how I deal with other situations in my life. How sad is it that DH has actually offered a night at a local motel for me, just so I can sleep! And I hate to say this, but yes, putting her down has cropped up in the back of my mind. I hate that. We can't take an almost 17 year old cat to a shelter either; she would have absolutely no chance. But I also am starting to dislike this cat. I know....what a terrible thing to say! And believe me, I feel plenty guilty about this whole situation....it makes me a horrible cat mom.

So....putting her down is not an option. Putting her in a shelter is not an option. The only thing left is me learning how to deal with this. And trying to figure out how I can sleep through her yelling. Can somebody help me?
post #2 of 16
That is a hard one. What do you feed wet and dry? If you feed both could you just keep a bowl of kibbles full so she can free feed from that?
post #3 of 16
I think I too would try free feeding dry - fill a bowl up and leave it out for her at night..... tough situation.
post #4 of 16
Has she been tested for hyperthyroidism? After just 2 days on the thyroid pills, Dorothy stopped meowing at night, thanks goodness. Just a thought. HT cats are usually thin and always hungry too.... Otherwise, I'm not sure what to offer, but I hope you can figure out something soon.
post #5 of 16
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Originally Posted by Winchester View Post

And I'm just tired. I'm so tired. Yes, it's been going on for years, but the whole situation has steadily gotten worse over time. But I also am starting to dislike this cat. I know....what a terrible thing to say! And believe me, I feel plenty guilty about this whole situation....it makes me a horrible cat mom.
I understand your feelings. In my case, it's my old dog -Jello. He is blind, has a heart condition, bad teeth, and a chronic cough. He smells so bad that it goes to your clothes, furniture, hands. Around him, you can't breath or sleep (his coughing is very annoying). Every day I pray that God lets him (and me) rest. But then when he hears my voice, he wags his little tail and slowly, timidly puts up his little nose and his ears and finds his way to me. I am sure when the time comes when God does take him, I will be heartbroken and will miss him forever.
Sorry I am rambling. If Bootser has a clean bill of health, your dh's the idea of a good night sleep at a motel is a good one. You can go back home the next day all charged up and tolerate Bootser for a few more years?
post #6 of 16
Could there be something wrong with her hearing..? All I can offer as an advice is to use earplugs or/and put her to the furthest part of your house, away from the bedroom, for nights (maybe with a kitty friend).
post #7 of 16
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Originally Posted by DarkMavis View Post
Has she been tested for hyperthyroidism?
I had the same thought. I don't have personal experience with this particular problem, but I have read in the past that this sort of vocalization in senior cats can be a symptom of a thyroid issue. You may have already ruled that out, but if not, maybe your vet can look into it.

Good luck to you and Bootser!
post #8 of 16
I really, really sympathize with you. I'm going through something similiar with mine. Though he's not quite a year - his nightly meowing has really caused health problems for me, and we have to bring him to a cat hotel one night a week (or, sometimes every 2 weeks) so I can sleep. I recently fainted in a store because of exhaustion I suffered due to his nightly drama and had to go to the ER.

That being said - I can't imagine having the extra stress of this problem causing all of the other cats to meow (Marc is my only cat) as well.

I have been putting a calming collar on him nightly before I go to bed. I hate doing it, because I sometimes question how well it would breakaway in an emergency (it does say breakaway on the box) - but it has helped a bit. He won't meow as consistently. He'll still bang at the door, and meow - but just not as loudly, or violently (for lack of better word) as he does when he doesn't have the collar on. Feliway hasn't worked for him - but I did notice a difference with the collar.

Perhaps try the collar along with someone else's suggestion of leaving dry food out for her?

Is there a room you can shut her into for the night with some nice accomodations?
post #9 of 16
Thread Starter 
First of all, thank you to those who have answered my post....that means a lot. And herekittykitty8, would you please explain to me what a calming collar is? Feliway does not work. Bach's does not work.

Bootser is not deaf, although she may have some hearing loss. (Whisper is pretty much deaf now; you can walk right up to her and, if she doesn't see you coming, she startles very easily. She definitely doesn't hear the vacuum cleaner anymore.)

Yes, Bootser was just at the vet in January for her geriatric exam (the cats go to the vet about three times a year as four of the six are geriatric). They did a complete blood panel on her and everything is well within normal ranges...they specifically checked for thyroid issues....she is fine. Even with her puking, she is fine.

We don't know why she pukes, if it's a genetic thing....her sister, Whisper, pukes as well. Or if it's because they were outside cats and were used to bringing up feathers, fur, bones, etc. (Sorry to be graphic.) We've tried so many foods with them and they puke everything back up. We've tried a liquid tummy relaxer. BUT that has to be given 30 minutes before they eat anything. Dear lord, the hollering is bad enough as it is....can you imagine what it's like to make them wait even longer????

One of my GFs suggested Mylicon, which is used to treat gas in infants. Three drops in their water bowl every day. That does seem to help with the puking and we've been using that for several weeks now. The Old Ladies now puke maybe twice a week.

Free-feeding is simply not an option around here for several reasons. She would just eat and puke, then go back and eat more....and puke more. And that's if she was the one who managed to get the food. More likely, BooBoo, Ms. Pepe or Mollipop would be the ones who would get to the food sooner than Bootser would.....and despite what they would try to tell you? They are not starving!!

We tried putting her in the computer room. Such shrieking! We could hear her throughout the house! If we ever get the basement remodeling finished, we may just put the cats down there at night. Sounds mean and cruel, I know. But I need some sleep. And we don't know if that would even work....that cat can scream.

She started in this morning at 3:45. Meow, meow, meow. Followed by Whisper, then BooBoo, and then Pepe. Whisper jumped into the bed, laid down on DH's side and started meowing at him (DH can sleep through pretty much anything, BTW.) They awakened Mollipop, whose first thing is to go under the bed and play with the cord to the electric blanket. Then she goes over to the Ab Lounger and plays on that, followed by scratching at the wall under the catnapper at the window. I finally got out of bed and sprayed Bitter Apple everywhere; that lasted......ten minutes? Maybe? And me getting out of bed simply made the meowing that much worse. DH had off work today, so we had set the alarm for 6:00 for me to get out of bed. I got up at 5:15 and fed them....I couldn't deal with it anymore.

So I've been awake since 3:45 this morning. And that's pretty much the way it's been going.
post #10 of 16
Awww, hunny, I am SO sorry that you are going through this, but I DO want to tell you that not in ANY way, shape or form are you a bad kitty Mom! You're stressed, frustrated and tired.

I wish I had some really good advice for you but I really don't. Our bedroom is our kitty free zone, and we always have the door shut or we too wouldn't ever get any sleep. This angers a few of the cats, Imhotep especially. He HATES doors closed to him, and sometimes he will meow and scratch at the door, but we find if we just ignore him completely, he'll eventually just go away. Some of the other kitties try occassionally as well, but we just ignore them too.
post #11 of 16
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Originally Posted by DarkMavis View Post
Has she been tested for hyperthyroidism? After just 2 days on the thyroid pills, Dorothy stopped meowing at night, thanks goodness. Just a thought. HT cats are usually thin and always hungry too.... Otherwise, I'm not sure what to offer, but I hope you can figure out something soon.
That was my thought too.

But reading further in the thread I see hyperthyroid has been ruled out.

However, the symptoms are also a sign of high blood pressure, did they check her BP?.

Or ...did you rescue her recently? It may just be she is looking for someone she loved...grieving.

Have you discussed anti-anxiety meds with the vet, such as amitriptyline?
post #12 of 16
Thread Starter 
We've never really kept our bedroom door closed, Kailie, and that's because it was never really an issue. The cats have always slept with us. In the morning, when Banshee was still alive, I'd shoo all the cats out of the bedroom when Bootser started in yelling and screaming. Except for Banshee....because she was content to just lay back down with us and she'd just go back to sleep. (And if I did shoo her out, she'd just body slam the bedroom door anyway until I left her back inside.)

But Mollipop doesn't want to sleep any more; at that point, she wants to play. She doesn't meow or anything, but she's constantly playing with stuff in the bedroom....which, in itself, is annoying at 4:00 in the morning!

Bootser's BP was good. That's the thing, Otto....every single thing with Bootser? Was great. So it's not a physical thing with her. And she's been in the house for about 15 years now, so it's not new or strange to her. Nor is she grieving for another cat....she was never close to Banshee at all and Banshee was the last kitty we lost, about 18 months ago. Bootser has been hollering now for around 4 years. Not a big deal before, because the other cats wouldn't holler anyway. I would shoo them out of the bedroom and they'd go flop down on the couch or in the living room window until we got up...around 7:30 or so on weekends.

Now, though, once she starts in, they all do. And believe me, they will not shut up!

I haven't discussed anxiety meds with the vet, although, well, yes, I have been wondering about them at this point. I may call her vet and see what she might want to prescribe, but at her age (and she is a thin, small cat) any possible
side effects bother me. When Bootser was there last month, I did (and have been since the yelling started) talk to the vet. She really didn't say much, other than, "Some cats are like that." And that was it.

Again, I'd like to thank you for your responses....I was so afraid I'd get flamed because I'm so at my wits' end with this cat.

I just want to sleep, that's all I want. I just want to sleep. And I don't think that's too much to ask. Even if we could get it all cut back to just a few times a week. I mean, this is going on every single night....it just never stops. And I'm am so darn tired.
post #13 of 16
Hi Winchester,
Here is a link to the calming collar at Petsmart. I'm in the states - not sure if you are in the UK, but if you are - I imagine you could find something similiar.

http://www.petsmart.com/product/inde...ductId=3446914
post #14 of 16
Wow I don't know what to tell you. I know how annoying and fustrating it is, with a meowing cat getting you up at night. I don't know how Booster is with cat carriers. Most cats hate them. But Luna loves her cat carrier. You put her in it, she calms right down and goes to sleep. Most of the time she goes in her carrier on her own to rest. Is calming down in her carrier, something Booster would do?

Also she's going to be 17 years old. Maybe it's because she's an older cat? Could it be that she's getting confused at night when everything is dark? and not because she's hungry? My cousin's dog would do that at night when he got old, he was confused and would bark all night because he was restless and wandering.
post #15 of 16
Thread Starter 
Yes, I'm in the US, Pennsylvania, in fact. And there's a PetSmart close by, too. We have to run down to Target today and will stop at PetSmart to see if they have the calming collar. I've printed it out. Thank you so much for the suggestion!

All of our cats, except for Mollipop, hate the carrier; I think they associate it with going to the vet. Molli, however, has been going to my mother's, plus she used to sleep in it during the day in the computer room for the first three weeks she was here. So I think it does have a comfy effect on her.

Will keep you all informed. And we looking for the collar. Thank you!
post #16 of 16
Pam, some older kitties do experience dimentia. This may be a "strong" word to use - but if her health is otherwise good.... You're sure she's not in pain? Spooky always talks a lot more when she's in pain. Arthritis? I know Carolina has seen Gracie really benefit from ... hyaloronic (sp?) acid. ????? Maybe PM Carolina about that?

But my heart REALLY goes out to you, especially as I've just started the cycle of sleep deprivation. We stopped free feeding the cats at the beginning of November. Going back to it is not an option, between Chumley's allergies, and Billy and Ming Loy being overweight.

We had a big problem with Lazlo vomiting. And while it did turn out to be a problem with hairballs, it also seems very much like his tummy simply doesn't tolerate being empty for more than two hours very well - and cats stomachs are generally empty within two hours of eating. We've got him doing OK with the feedings every five hours during the day - but making it through the night was a problem. He made it "easy" for me though - he hops on the bed and meows right in my ear. I now keep a baggie of kibble under my pillow, and I grab some kibble and put it on the bedside table for him to eat. I'm generally not fully wakened by this at this point, and can usually fall back to sleep. If his stomach doesn't adjust... being optimistic on his life expectancy, I'm looking at another 10 years or so of this (he's going to be 9 in April).

Of course, Billy the pig has figured out what's going on. The others don't get too upset about it, and leave me alone (after the first few nights when they finally realized, they're not getting any). But Billy is a pest. So now I push him off the end of the bed with my foot, and I have large tooth "treat" kibble. I grab a few pieces, and throw one at him. When he's about to jump back on the bed, I toss another at him. I do this until Lazlo's done eating.

Not ideal. But everyone shuts up, no one's fussing, and I can go back to sleep, and the whole thing takes less time than it does for me to get up and go pee in the middle of the night.
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