Update on Squeaky, Penny & Max (long)

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Well, it's been a long and stressful few months, and the inappropriate peeing has not completely stopped. However, I think we are finally pretty close to solving the problem completely.

There were, in fact, three culprits. Penny had peed on some of my things in anger at the changes in my household, specifically, this "Squeaky-thing" taking over her favored spot on my bed at nights.

With it taking some time, then some talking it out with Miss Penny, her behavior has since calmed down, she has regained her sleeping areas in my bedroom, and the altercations between her and Squeaky are becoming less frequent and less violent.


Max and Squeaky had some problems when Max deferred to her as a newcomer, but then fought and regained his position as the Alpha. Now there are no more bad feelings between the two of them.


It took me a long time (weeks!) to find the source of the urine smell in the living room, but I finally saw Max spraying one day - in the litter box, of all places! And then I noticed he was spraying daily, in the box, aiming at the very back of it.

So I moved out the litter boxes, and took a close look at the wall behind them, and sure enough, the walls were marked. I use the Van Ness jumbo boxes with hoods, and once one of the cats had sprayed in one, some urine went through the crack betweeen the top and the bottom of the boxes onto the wall behind them.

Once Max smelled that, it became his actual JOB to continue to mark there on a daily basis! So I cleaned up the walls and the boxes using Nature's Miracle a week ago, and there has been no more smell and no more repeat of the marking behavior since!


So that takes care of that issue, but what about the occasional peeing in the bathroom on the rug or in the tub? I had changed the rug from a rubber backed one to a cotton one, but that made no difference. Feliway made no difference. I had no idea who was doing it...until this week.

I was scooping the box just outside that room (no room IN the bathroom for a box) and saw Squeaky go into the bathroom. Maxwell was next to me, looking in at her. I heard a scratching noise in there, and I asked her what was she doing (but I couldn't see in from where I was.)

When I finished scooping the box, I went in to see what she was up to, and she was all comfy and meatloafed up in a corner of the room...a foot away from a fresh, bright yellow puddle of pee on my nice, clean rug.


So now to figure out why.


Then I read a post by LDG in someone else's thread about peeing outside the box, and it hit me: I already knew she was in need of a dental, but was trying to get the money together to cover the high dollar quote the vet had given me. (She also needs her ear wax surgically removed.)

Squeaky was trying to tell me that her mouth hurts, and she needs that dental sooner rather than later!
So I got on the ball, made a few calls yesterday and found a vet that charges about a fifth the cost for the surgery. So Squeaky will be able to have the procedure very soon. She'll have a preliminary visit to them in a week, then we'll schedule her surgery.

My thanks to Laurie for shining that light over here!


Long story short, there is still drama, but I am hoping that all peeing out of the box and aggression issues will be quelled as soon as Squeaky's mouth is healthy again. I think Penny might be nicer to her once Squeaky's breath doesn't smell infected.


If you read all the way through, thanks for sticking with the story! It's been a long couple of months, with me working 12 hour days and dealing with coming home to the stink of cat urine and the soap opera of fussing cats.

I think we are just about at equalibrium, now. Just need to get her in and fixed up, and we'll take it from there! Time, patience, perseverence and love will win out every time!
 

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I've been wondering how things were going over there. I remembered you were working a rather hellish schedule, but was approaching the point of sending you a PM, so YAY on the update!

I'm really bummed about Squeaky - but I really hope it is the dental thing. Any time we let Spook go too long, she lets us know it.


It sounds like you've finally got a handle on it all! I know you were feeling quite hopeless there for a bit (and it is SO frustrating - even when it's only one and you know who it is!! ) - but thankfully they picked opportune times to let you know just what was going on.
Once Squeak is fixed up, let's hope that's the end of it!


!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And
to you for hanging in there.
 
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Originally Posted by LDG

I've been wondering how things were going over there. I remembered you were working a rather hellish schedule, but was approaching the point of sending you a PM, so YAY on the update!

I'm really bummed about Squeaky - but I really hope it is the dental thing. Any time we let Spook go too long, she lets us know it.
That was what clicked for me about the dental, you telling about her peeing to get your attention about her mouth.

Squeaky has bad teeth, not just gums, the worst I've ever seen in my limited experience, and I bet she'll need at least a couple pulled. Plus her ear wax is on her ear drums in both ears, and that is just starting to bother her now.

She is a people food junkie, and begs like a dog for anything that drops on the floor, and it doesn't matter what it is, she'll eat it.
I strongly suspect that wherever she came from, she was eating mostly people food, not cat food, and that's what contributed to her terrible teeth. The vet said they think she's only 4 years old.

The one that she'll be going to is new, I'll see how they are and they'll more likely than not get all my business from now on. They are charging $65 for the surgery plus $5 per tooth extra if any need pulling - my "regular" vet here quoted me nearly $500!!!
 

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Wow, that is an AMAZING price. Is it an introductory price? Or a teaching college practice?

Spooky's dentals cost around $300 with nothing needing to be done other than a cleaning. It's been a while since she needed any teeth pulled, so I don't remember how much that adds... but she'll be 9 this Spring and has lost 4 teeth. And she's never eaten people food - and mostly had kibble (until I'd started feeding them wet meals several times a day, then I noticed she almost never ate the kibble - teeth hurt!). Like people, some cats just have the genetic proclivity for the development of plaque - which so easily progresses to gingivitis or periodontal disease.
 
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It's a lower priced, much larger clinic than others in the area. They treat horses, I know, so I believe they do a lot of farm animal care, in addition to cats and dogs.

The reviews I have seen online are mostly good, with all the bad being extremely long wait time complaints. That'll be a trade-off for me, and I'm booking a Saturdy appointment, so if I can save $400, I'll wait 4 hours if I have to!


It's funny, because as bad as her teeth are, Squeaky simply can't keep her face out of the dry food dish. I'll have to get updated pics posted soon. She's gained a bunch of weight since I took her in!
 
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Originally Posted by Trouts mom

Glad to hear you are getting some problems solved!

I am still in love with Ferris by the way
Thanks.
I'll be posting some updated pics ASAP. There's a great Ferris tail shot in them.
 

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Originally Posted by GingersMom

It's funny, because as bad as her teeth are, Squeaky simply can't keep her face out of the dry food dish. I'll have to get updated pics posted soon. She's gained a bunch of weight since I took her in!
There are quite a few toothless cats that love kibble - even the large stuff.


Spook likes kibble treats - she just doesn't chew them, even when her teeth don't hurt.
 

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Originally Posted by GingersMom

They are charging $65 for the surgery plus $5 per tooth extra if any need pulling - my "regular" vet here quoted me nearly $500!!!
Originally Posted by LDG

Wow, that is an AMAZING price. Is it an introductory price? Or a teaching college practice?

Spooky's dentals cost around $300 with nothing needing to be done other than a cleaning.
They likely quoted higher than what they feel it will likely cost. The person would be happy with a bill that came under the price, but angry if it ended up being over the quote.

When Chynna needed a dental for an infected tooth, I got a quote of $700.00 for her surgery. They took into account her advanced age, the fact there was one obvious bad tooth likely meant more, the extra monitoring during the surgery for her kidneys, the 2 over night stays: 1 for hydration and the other post op for pain control.

The bill actually ended up being $1,200.00!!!! But because they knew a TCS angel was paying for the surgery (paid in advance actually), they capped it at $700.00.

In the end Chynna had to have 1 incisor removed, all of her large back teeth and many of her smaller back teeth. The had 3 incisors left, all of her little front teeth and a few small back teeth. The rest were extracted.

The thing that added to the price is that they claim that a cats teeth are very complicated below the gum line and you can't readily tell a bad tooth from the outside until it's in its advanced stage, so they needed to xray every tooth before deciding if it stayed or went.

I'm taking Abby in for her dental in March (I can't do it this month as I am on a 1 week unpaid vacation leave, and spent too much money on Abby's cyst removal surgery, 3 kittens, cat tree, special kitten food, and hoards on cab fares. I'm expecting her dental to be several hundred dollars, though I did not get a quote.
 

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At least now you know what the problems were, that were causing your cats to pee out of the box.
 

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I'm really glad to hear how you hunkered down and stuck with it through the frustration and now it is paying off and you are getting some answers; I'm sure they're grateful for it too!
 
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Originally Posted by Natalie_ca

They likely quoted higher than what they feel it will likely cost. The person would be happy with a bill that came under the price, but angry if it ended up being over the quote.
As someone with a sales background, I can accept that if that's the case. However, the vet that quoted me the high dollar amount absolutely refused to work with me financially.

I asked them if I could start paying them money in advance and build up a balance so that we could get it done ASAP to prevent Squeaky from suffering longer than she has to (and to prevent me from having to deal with my things being peed on and spending tons of $$ on enzyme cleaners,) they refused. They will do NO treatment without FULL payment. They WILL NOT bill, they will NOT do a payment plan.

I asked them, what if there's ever an emergency, do you just not treat the animal? They said yes, sorry, but that's just the way it is.
WHAT?!?!

THAT was when I started looking for another vet, immediately. If a vet cares more about the money than caring for an animal in pain, and as I ultimately found out, charges 5 times more than another vet in the area for the same treatment, that tells me a few things about that vet.
 
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