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Missing "Pedigreed" Cat Turns Up Neutered

post #1 of 61
1/26/11 at 9:08pm
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From a New Zealand news article:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10702390

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Interesting, very interesting. Is a "Siamese-Bengal" cross a valuable pedigreed cat? I would not have thought so.
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post #2 of 61
1/26/11 at 9:40pm
Good for whoever neutered him, a mixed breed cat shouldn't be used as a stud anyways! Someone is doing their TNR job out there!
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post #3 of 61
1/26/11 at 9:46pm
Sorry! If you can't keep your cat contained, you can't complain if he gets TNRed! That's funny. And the "pedigreed" bit is funny, too, in a more pathetic way. Although I guess technically, someone could keep a pedigree on their farm cats or neighborhood ferals, but it doesn't make them purebred.
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post #4 of 61
1/27/11 at 2:50am
That is hillarious.

Whoever did it needs a reward, now there will be less mix breed cats. On the other hand, that woman is a moron. I hope ALL of her cats magically show up fixed.
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post #5 of 61
1/27/11 at 3:36am
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEHAHHHHHHH! People do TNR in NZ!!

What a clown that lady is. I promise we aint all mad over here
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post #6 of 61
1/27/11 at 4:07am
A valuable pedigreed bengal-siamese mix?! (Lol because I'm assumming they're not referring to sentimental value here.)
Definitely a reward for the one who got him fixed.
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post #7 of 61
1/27/11 at 4:17am
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Originally Posted by NorthernGlow View Post
A valuable pedigreed bengal-siamese mix?! (Lol because I'm assumming they're not referring to sentimental value here.)
Definitely a reward for the one who got him fixed.


Good for whoever had him neutered! His owner obviously isn't the brightest bulb in the bunch!
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post #8 of 61
1/27/11 at 4:54am
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Originally Posted by Carolina View Post
Good for whoever neutered him, a mixed breed cat shouldn't be used as a stud anyways! Someone is doing their TNR job out there!
My thoughts exactly!

Agree with you all about the "pedigree mix" too.
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post #9 of 61
1/27/11 at 7:18am
Any information as to what "went missing" meant? Was the cat allowed to roam free or was it allowed access to an unlocked outdoor enclosure. If the latter was the case this was trespassing, theft, and vandalism and not something to cheer for…

I had to lock the gates to my fence because someone went back there and left one open letting my cats out. It was a horrible thing to discover at the time, more so because we do have people that snatch dogs out of their fenced yards.


I also wonder if the person writing the article (who would unlikely be a cat breeder and even less likely a bengal breeder) labeled the cat incorrectly. Everyone is aware that siamese are bred in at some point to get the blue eyed gene and some points(seal, lynx, etc.), right? I believe they're usually called Snow Leopards (any bengal breeders around? I don't know what the specific names beyond that are)
This wouldn't be the first poorly written article concerning an animal, in fact I rarely see proper articles that don't have something wrong. You can't really trust the media, after all.
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post #10 of 61
1/27/11 at 8:15am
at the article and the nutty lady! "Why would someone do that anyway?"
I don't know why they would do that." ????? Hello?

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Originally Posted by WellingtonCats View Post
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEHAHHHHHHH! People do TNR in NZ!!

What a clown that lady is. I promise we aint all mad over here
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post #11 of 61
1/27/11 at 8:48am
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Although Buddy does not wear a collar, Ms Curtis believes his breed would have made it obvious why he wasn't neutered.

"It's not normal for him to go missing either, he's always here for his feeds, sleeps here for most of the day, and sometimes at night."
This lady sounds like a real piece of work.
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post #12 of 61
1/27/11 at 8:55am
Can you please link to the article as copying and pasting the entire thing is against TCS rules regaring copyright infringement?

As to the article in question...I'm on the fence. Accidents happen and TNR programs are definitely a great cause for reducing feral populations, but it just seems to me that mistakes from both sides led to this event.

She admits he didn't wear a collar, and it appears he wasn't chipped either, but there are still questions as to how the animal was kept: indoor/outdoor, outdoor only but fenced in, etc.

I'm not inclined to jump in with the cheering crowd because I don't think it's anyone's RIGHT to neuter any cat they can catch. Whether the owner was irresponsible or not, it was an unfortunate accident, and I just can't celebrate that.
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post #13 of 61
1/27/11 at 8:55am
Whoa! The bit about him not being shaved for a proper neuter and no vets remembering him is weird and scary! With bengals and some breeds being sensitive to various meds and some forms of anesthesia, Buddy may be lucky to be alive.


Reading between the lines here, I bet I know what happened. Owner let breed kitty roam thinking its her right. A neighbor, very likely a close by one, gets annoyed (maybe Buddy was harassing their cat or spraying) and rather than speak to the owner they took matters into their own hands. Very creepy if you ask me and the woman is lucky Buddy was returned as disgruntled neighbors often do worse.

Both parties were in the wrong.

As for what the owner was doing? Who knows? Maybe health or finances had her narrowing down to just keeping own or two cats. Maybe she was a BYBer, but many good small scale breeders are consider such as they're not a large fullscale cattery. We have a few here that fall into this category, so be careful of calling them names or insinuating they're bad for some reason.
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post #14 of 61
1/27/11 at 9:05am
I'm still not sure about this one. On one hand she does sound like an owner who maybe doesn't make the best choices for her cat. But it also seems like there is information left out. Maybe someone needs to invite her to TCS. Of course if she sees this thread I don't know that she'd stick around!
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post #15 of 61
1/27/11 at 9:23am
I've never seen a male shaved (or plucked?) for a neuter. Not even a little (not even longhairs), and I've used several different vets. Do they do things differently in NZ? And I wouldn't be surprised at the clinics/shelters not remembering him. If a clinic does 50 neuters in a day, do you think they remember every cat individually?

If the cat was on someone else's property, then they did have every right to neuter him. At least here, you have the right to do anything to an animal that comes on your property, as long as it's not legally animal cruelty. So if someone is trapping for TNR, are they supposed to call around to all the neighbors within 5 miles every time they catch a cat? If he was unidentified, he was technically "stray".

It does sound like she let him roam free ("he's always home for meals, and sometimes home at night"?). You don't let a "valuable breeding animal" run loose. Anybody who lets their cat run loose needs to accept the risks and not complain when something happens.
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post #16 of 61
1/27/11 at 9:26am
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Because Buddy was not plucked or shaven, Ms Curtis fears the unsanctioned snip was the work of a do-it-yourself surgeon.

Barkes Corner Vet Hospital veterinarian Martin Earles said if the job was done by a vet, there would have been at least some hair removed from around the cat's scrotum area.
Hmm, that's a bit worrying. I have a suspicion that one of her neighbours was sick of Buddy coming around and spraying or something. Some people get very het up about cats roaming the neighbourhood and coming onto their property.

If the cat was so valuable why wouldn't you take better care of it in the first place? Letting him roam free is not responsible pet ownership. I know the concept of indoor only cats, or keeping them supervised outside is not mainstream in NZ though, but I really hope attitudes shift in that regard. It would go a long way towards appeasing those who would like to protect NZ's endangered native species too.
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post #17 of 61
1/27/11 at 9:33am
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Originally Posted by Willowy View Post
I've never seen a male shaved (or plucked?) for a neuter. Not even a little (not even longhairs), and I've used several different vets. Do they do things differently in NZ? And I wouldn't be surprised at the clinics/shelters not remembering him. If a clinic does 50 neuters in a day, do you think they remember every cat individually?

If the cat was on someone else's property, then they did have every right to neuter him. At least here, you have the right to do anything to an animal that comes on your property, as long as it's not legally animal cruelty. So if someone is trapping for TNR, are they supposed to call around to all the neighbors within 5 miles every time they catch a cat? If he was unidentified, he was technically "stray".

It does sound like she let him roam free ("he's always home for meals, and sometimes home at night"?). You don't let a "valuable breeding animal" run loose. Anybody who lets their cat run loose needs to accept the risks and not complain when something happens.

Completely agreed. Neither one of my boys were shaved or plucked when they were neutered, not even the longhair. Both were adults. And yes, they were neutered by a vet, not me.
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post #18 of 61
1/27/11 at 9:35am
Odd. All the male cats I've had neutered, between different clinics here, always clipped the fur back there. There's still fur, it's just buzzed close - which is ironically sometimes amusing on pointed cats or any cat that has their um.. privates a different color fur than the surrounding fur. I always jokes that they have an easy outline to buzz.
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post #19 of 61
1/27/11 at 10:19am
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Originally Posted by Willowy View Post
I've never seen a male shaved (or plucked?) for a neuter. Not even a little (not even longhairs), and I've used several different vets. Do they do things differently in NZ? And I wouldn't be surprised at the clinics/shelters not remembering him. If a clinic does 50 neuters in a day, do you think they remember every cat individually?

If the cat was on someone else's property, then they did have every right to neuter him. At least here, you have the right to do anything to an animal that comes on your property, as long as it's not legally animal cruelty. So if someone is trapping for TNR, are they supposed to call around to all the neighbors within 5 miles every time they catch a cat? If he was unidentified, he was technically "stray".

It does sound like she let him roam free ("he's always home for meals, and sometimes home at night"?). You don't let a "valuable breeding animal" run loose. Anybody who lets their cat run loose needs to accept the risks and not complain when something happens.
My feelings, exactly.

I hate breeding in general but who lets a "valuable" cat wander at will outside?

And her being quoted as saying "What am I supposed to do now? I can't exactly get someone to sew them back on,", it appears the cat has no value to her other than as a money maker.

Pah. Boo hiss.
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post #20 of 61
1/27/11 at 10:25am
Ya know, they should be happy he's home safe. I don't know why they wouldn't want him neutered any way. All that spraying and humping....no thank you.

My baby (Persian purebred) was neutered at 6 months, and thats without the breeder making us. No thanks to that hot mess.

Eta: my Persian wasn't shaved or plucked when he was fixed....he was still furry as ever 'down there'.
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post #21 of 61
1/28/11 at 9:23am
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If "It's not normal for him to go missing either, he's always here for his feeds, sleeps here for most of the day, and sometimes at night." it certainly sounds like the cat was allowed out to wander where and as he wanted to go. Doesn't sound like the appropriate management and care of a valuable pedigreed stud cat if he's only sometimes showing up at night. What's unknown is what the neighbors had to be putting up with in the way of inappropriate marking etc.
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post #22 of 61
1/28/11 at 10:11am
I'm furious that this MUTT cat (its not even close to being a purebred as there is no such thing as a Siamese-Bengal breed - its a moggie being bred to a Siamese) is being used as a "stud" for the purpose of money to rip off people.

If I knew this, and the cat was outside, he'd be neutered too. This is a backyard breeder who is trying to act innocent.

I hope the NZ breeders will put fire to this and condem the breeding of non-purebred cats.
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post #23 of 61
1/28/11 at 10:20am
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Originally Posted by Therockhugger View Post
Ya know, they should be happy he's home safe.
And they got a free neuter too. Why complain, the cat they let wander around freely is back, safe, happy, and better than ever.
If they don't want him to be public property perhaps they will keep him on his own property at home as a protected family member from now on
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post #24 of 61
1/28/11 at 5:35pm
I don't understand how people who let their pets wander can sit there and whine when things happen. Its probably for the best he was fixed anyway. I like how it says that she was "considering" breeding him until it happened. Sounds like she just wants some compensation or something. Probably doesn't even care about the cat.
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post #25 of 61
1/28/11 at 6:02pm
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Originally Posted by emrldsky View Post
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I'm not inclined to jump in with the cheering crowd because I don't think it's anyone's RIGHT to neuter any cat they can catch. Whether the owner was irresponsible or not, it was an unfortunate accident, and I just can't celebrate that.
Sorry, but if your cat is in my yard, it's getting trapped and sterilized. If your cat is not contained - and especially if it's not identified in any way - it's not your right to complain about it. I'd prefer not to pay to sterilize other people's cats, but I'd also prefer not to have to deal with ANY kittens.
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post #26 of 61
1/28/11 at 6:36pm
yay Laurie!
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post #27 of 61
1/28/11 at 6:49pm
Perhaps someone's female cat had kittens, and they all look just like their father If that's the case, guess that family will make the money off the kittens now, instead of his owner

Seriously just another reason to keep your cat inside.

And why let your cat outside knowing he's not fixed? knowing he's going to add to the unwanted kitten population?
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post #28 of 61
1/28/11 at 9:38pm
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Originally Posted by LDG View Post
Sorry, but if your cat is in my yard, it's getting trapped and sterilized. If your cat is not contained - and especially if it's not identified in any way - it's not your right to complain about it. I'd prefer not to pay to sterilize other people's cats, but I'd also prefer not to have to deal with ANY kittens.


In my area it is LEGAL to poison and or shoot any stray animal on your property
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post #29 of 61
1/28/11 at 9:47pm
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Originally Posted by sharky View Post


In my area it is LEGAL to poison and or shoot any stray animal on your property

Boy that is really sad to hear. So many of us fight to not let this be the "normal" way to deal with stray cats. But I agree with Laurie, if a cat comes on my property and is a tom- he is neutered immediately. The only exception was Starlight (his story is "stuck" in the SOS forum) and the only reason I didn't neuter him was because he was in such rough shape. But the woman who finally adopted this lovable Persian neutered him right away. By that time (he was with me 28 days) he was strong enough to survive the surgery.
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post #30 of 61
1/29/11 at 2:16am
New Zealand isn't a third world country here guys - I don't think it's common place to shave/trim a male but it has everyone stumped here too.

Martice, you need do some reading on the other cat fancy here in New Zealand. Should I send you a link? They make their own rules and they have lots of fancy cross breed cats at their shows. The thing that is third world about our country is people having outside cats, people not fixing their cats and idiots thinking they should let their cats have a litter of kittens. I was darn ignorant before TCS and learnt a heck of a lot about cats going outside and the dangers.
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