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Simba Yim = Complete mutt or mixed?

post #1 of 28
1/20/11 at 11:53pm
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Simba Yim is almost completely symmetrical down to his tail! Little tufts of black on his ears. Has the same circular blob on both sides and a bunch of stripes everywhere. Four white points on his feet, although the left hind leg has the longest "sock."

Could he be a mix of a European Shorthair?

Age: 18 months old. (So I don't expect that he will grow anymore)
Weighs: 8 lbs.
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post #2 of 28
1/21/11 at 1:24am
Brown classic tabby & white domestic, very cute
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post #3 of 28
1/21/11 at 6:50am
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Originally Posted by missymotus View Post
Brown classic tabby & white domestic, very cute
Thanks! Someone else guessed a Mackerel Tabby?
(But I suppose that is referring to the coat not necessarily the breed.)

Ah hah! So maybe that's where he got those white feet and belly.

Either way, complete mutt or mysterious mix breed... he's still the same lovely cat to me.
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post #4 of 28
1/21/11 at 7:52am
Breed - domestic shorthair
Color/Pattern - Brown Classic Tabby & White

Mackerel tabbies have vertical stripes on the sides. Classics have the swirled/bullseye markings on the side (like your cat has).
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post #5 of 28
1/21/11 at 8:31am
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Originally Posted by GoldenKitty45 View Post
Breed - domestic shorthair
Color/Pattern - Brown Classic Tabby & White

Mackerel tabbies have vertical stripes on the sides. Classics have the swirled/bullseye markings on the side (like your cat has).
http://www.seregiontica.org/Colors/tabby/tabbies.htm

Brown Classic does look very similar! He has the white "eye liner" too like other Tabbies!
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post #6 of 28
1/21/11 at 12:38pm
He's beautiful! His stomach coloring reminds me of my Lynxx
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post #7 of 28
1/21/11 at 12:54pm
Oh, he is so cute!!!! And he knows it! LOL

I'm curious, I never can tell if a tabby is "brown" or "gray" (silver?) How can you tell?
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post #8 of 28
1/21/11 at 12:55pm
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He's beautiful! His stomach coloring reminds me of my Lynxx
Thank you very much! (You know it's the highest compliment when it reminds someone of their own beloved pet.)
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post #9 of 28
1/21/11 at 12:57pm
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Originally Posted by kluchetta View Post
Oh, he is so cute!!!! And he knows it! LOL

I'm curious, I never can tell if a tabby is "brown" or "gray" (silver?) How can you tell?
Thanks!

Hmm check out this page http://www.seregiontica.org/Colors/tabby/tabbies.htm

Silver


Brown


I thought Simba was originally "silver" as well but looking at this page with the comparisons side by side made me realize he's "brown."

He has more yellow hairs running with the black, while the silver tabbies have much more white.
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post #10 of 28
1/21/11 at 1:48pm
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Originally Posted by aprilyim View Post
Thanks! Someone else guessed a Mackerel Tabby?
(But I suppose that is referring to the coat not necessarily the breed.)
Sorry, I should have written my reply as GoldenKitty did. I was talking about the coat pattern, Mackeral is incorrect.

Breed - domestic shorthair
Colour/Pattern - Brown Classic Tabby & White

Tabby, be it classic, mackeral, spotted or ticked is not a breed but refers to the coat pattern.

Silvers have white roots
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post #11 of 28
1/21/11 at 4:00pm
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Originally Posted by missymotus View Post
Sorry, I should have written my reply as GoldenKitty did. I was talking about the coat pattern, Mackeral is incorrect.

Breed - domestic shorthair
Colour/Pattern - Brown Classic Tabby & White

Tabby, be it classic, mackeral, spotted or ticked is not a breed but refers to the coat pattern.

Silvers have white roots
Thanks for taking the time to correct yourself! It takes a lot of character.
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post #12 of 28
1/21/11 at 8:41pm
Your kitty is a "mutt" or in other words does not look to be a mix of any breed, just a regular cat. This is called a domestic shorthair (or if they have long fur, a domestic longhair.)
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post #13 of 28
1/21/11 at 10:11pm
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Originally Posted by Nekochan View Post
Your kitty is a "mutt" or in other words does not look to be a mix of any breed, just a regular cat. This is called a domestic shorthair (or if they have long fur, a domestic longhair.)
Yeah, I think we decided he's a DSH with a white parent somewhere and a brown classic tabby somewhere!
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post #14 of 28
1/21/11 at 11:06pm
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Originally Posted by aprilyim View Post
Yeah, I think we decided he's a DSH with a white parent somewhere and a brown classic tabby somewhere!
Not quite that simple.

Classic tabby pattern is recessive, so long as both parents carry the gene classics can be produced.
White spotting gene produced the white areas on your kitty, one parent could have been a bi-colour.

My breed Ocicats only come in 6 colours (12 including those colours on silver), so I'm sure someone else could explain more about your kitty if you were interested.
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post #15 of 28
1/22/11 at 4:38am
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Originally Posted by missymotus View Post
Not quite that simple.

Classic tabby pattern is recessive, so long as both parents carry the gene classics can be produced.
White spotting gene produced the white areas on your kitty, one parent could have been a bi-colour.

She's right - I work with genetics too (study). You don't put a white parent with a tabby and get a tabby & white. All white is dominate over all colors.

The cat probably has a classic tabby (with or w/o white) parent and the other can be the same or another tabby (with or w/o white) or a bicolor (black & white).

One parent has to have color and white and the other can be solid or color & white and one or both have to have tabby markings.
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post #16 of 28
1/22/11 at 8:55am
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Originally Posted by GoldenKitty45 View Post
She's right - I work with genetics too (study). You don't put a white parent with a tabby and get a tabby & white. All white is dominate over all colors.

The cat probably has a classic tabby (with or w/o white) parent and the other can be the same or another tabby (with or w/o white) or a bicolor (black & white).

One parent has to have color and white and the other can be solid or color & white and one or both have to have tabby markings.
Hahahaha! Thanks for the clarification.
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post #17 of 28
1/23/11 at 5:39am
Gentics can do weird things...I have a cat that went thru 4 color changes from the time she was born and no one can really explain how or why (and I have 2 very good genetic friends and they can't figure it out)!
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post #18 of 28
1/23/11 at 10:22am
He has markings almost identical to my Rex...only Rex doesn't have the socks. He is just a short-haired classic brown tabby.
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post #19 of 28
1/23/11 at 2:03pm
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Originally Posted by BlueRexBear View Post
He has markings almost identical to my Rex...only Rex doesn't have the socks. He is just a short-haired classic brown tabby.
Your Rex looks lovely!
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post #20 of 28
1/23/11 at 2:10pm
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Gentics can do weird things...I have a cat that went thru 4 color changes from the time she was born and no one can really explain how or why (and I have 2 very good genetic friends and they can't figure it out)!
That's so interesting! I would love to see photos of your cat's metamorphoses if you have them!
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post #21 of 28
1/23/11 at 4:41pm
I'd love to, but we never took ones when first born and the ones when she was "pointed" are not very good. She's black & white now. but she was born blue tabby and white, then changed to blue point with tabby body, then to seal point with tabby body and at 3 months old all the kittens were black & white! Every kitten was the same in the litter - and all ended up as black & whites!
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post #22 of 28
1/23/11 at 8:46pm
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Originally Posted by GoldenKitty45 View Post
She's right - I work with genetics too (study). You don't put a white parent with a tabby and get a tabby & white. All white is dominate over all colors.

The cat probably has a classic tabby (with or w/o white) parent and the other can be the same or another tabby (with or w/o white) or a bicolor (black & white).

One parent has to have color and white and the other can be solid or color & white and one or both have to have tabby markings.
Oh! That makes so much sense now! So my Elsa is a black cat. I was figuring her (accidental) kittens would be probably black or tortie, since I didn't know the father. But there was one black, one torbie, three brown tabbys, and 3 WHITE kittens. I was so shocked about the white kittens. Now I'm positive there were 2 dads.
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post #23 of 28
1/25/11 at 4:50am
Possible of 2-3 dads - one red tabby, one white and maybe a brown tabby. Brown tabbies are genetically a "black" cat. If mom was a black, the torbie had to have a red dad to get the two colors and its possible the same red tabby dad produced a brown tabby too (since mom would have given the black color and dad the tabby gene. Othrwise, getting 3 brown tabbies tells me there was also a brown tabby dad for them. The all white kitten was from a different father.

To complicate things that "white" father is also carrying color and/or tabby too - you just cannot see it.

This is why its cool in purebreds to have a pedigree with all the colors so you can see what the background colors are and how they relate/produce.
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post #24 of 28
1/26/11 at 10:55pm
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There are so many things for me to learn!
I never considered that multiple fathers could affect litters but it makes sense if multiple eggs are being fertilized.
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post #25 of 28
1/27/11 at 6:47am
With purebred controlled breeding (one male) you can easily predict the colors. With mixes you never know as you don't know the background and what colors they are carrying.

Friend of mine that has Cornish Rex once had a chocolate kitten born. Looking at the pedigree you would say "well that's impossible" - in fact CFA did not want to accept this in the litter.

The breeder had to go back 8 generations to find out that both sides had one chocolate color Rex (and then sent in the proof). Once a recessive gene is in the lines, its there forever!
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post #26 of 28
1/27/11 at 7:50am
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That's wonderful that there were records that she could go through and prove them wrong. :P
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post #27 of 28
1/27/11 at 11:54am
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That's wonderful that there were records that she could go through and prove them wrong. :P
That's the point of pedigrees, a traceable line.

We also have DNA now to test for colours carried which makes things easier.
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post #28 of 28
1/27/11 at 12:29pm
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Yup! I've read about the extensive DNA tasting that people can do nowadays as a insurance in case any records were lost or falsified (in regards to horses, but still applicable.)
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