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post #1 of 9
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I've read through some of the commonly asked questions and there's some great advice but I sort of have an emergency here. It's a combination problem.

We have an older female cat (10+ years) that was our only pet for a long time. Then about 6 months ago we got a female dog. The cat doesn't like the dog but soon things were reasonable other than the cat occasionally swatting the dog a couple times when it wandered too close.

A couple months ago we got suckered into taking in another cat from someone who was moving and couldn't take it with them. It's a male cat that's possibly not quite fully grown. The younger cat gets along great with the dog but the cats don't like each other and things haven't got much better over 2 months between them. I wish I had read some of the suggestions on this site a long time ago about that.

When they end up too close to each other the younger cat always starts hissing. They end up in little quick fights fairly often and I'm pretty sure it's the older cat that mostly attacks but I can't be certain because we usually aren't looking at them when it starts.

So now to the big problem. Over the last month the older cat has started peeing around the house very often in various places. It's making my wife very upset. I thought maybe it was marking it's territory because it was fed up with the new additions but after reading this site it doesn't seem like spraying. I think it's just peeing. One place it's been going is on some curtains that are a couple inches too long with the bottoms on the floor. There's a enough volume that it soaked into the hardwood flors and left a stain.

I took my daughter on a trip last weekend and my wife was so fed up with the situation that she dropped the old cat off at the animal shelter. My daughter and I were outraged that she did this without consulting us. We really want to go get the cat back out of the shelter but I'm going to need a good plan to fix the situation if I'm going to avoid more family strife.

If I had to choose between the two cats I would keep the old cat. It's been with us a long time. I don't know that removing the new cat would stop the peeing though. I can't even say for sure that the peeing is related to the new cat/dog, it just seems to roughly coincide.

I like all 3 pets and just want everyone to get along and not mess up the house.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
post #2 of 9
Have you taken our older cat to the vet to rule out any medical issues? Cats peeing outside the box is usually related to a medical problem like bladder crystal or something. Stress can often lead to medical issues like this, so it could be rooted in the new additions.

You'll need an enzyme cleaner to completely wipe out the urine, or the cat will be able to smell it and continue thinking it's an all right place to pee.
post #3 of 9
OMG, that was quite a radical move on her part. I totally agree, a vet visit. She sounds like there is just too much change too quickly for the poor old thing. Now being in a shelter, I can't imagine how much more stress she is under.

Stress makes cats sick. And peeing in inappropriate places is their way of saying, "im sick".

Please get kitty back. You have some rights too here. Get her in to the vets and go from there.

I am sorry for all this you are going through. You have a good heart.
post #4 of 9
I third the vet idea. The most common reason cats end up in shelters is for peeing out of the box. As the others have mention this is often a medical problem, not behavior. If all that's required is a change of food then that's a really easy solution to your problem!

Your wife sounds really overwhelmed. My husband and I had a similar problem with his dog. She was soiling all over our house (she's 14) but he left the clean up work to me. Things got much better when he agreed to confine her to the laundry room to contain the mess and he started being her primary caregiver. Your situation is likely totally different from mine but I thought I'd mention it just in case. I know I appreciated the extra help tremendously.
post #5 of 9
Wow she just dropped the older cat (the 1 you guys have had for years) off at the shelter just like that? Not even discussing it with you first? We discuss everything we do with the cats first. We make sure everyone in the house knows and understands what's going on with each cat, and how to properly care for each cat. In our house the cats come first.

Lynxx wasn't happy about the kittens being here. A lot of the things going on with him, the kittens got blamed for. By switching vets we found out Lynxx had some serious problems, more serious than just 2 kittens. Maybe something was going on with your older cat's health, and that's why she was acting the way she was?

First get her back from the shelter, then bring her to the vet to make sure there wasn't something else going on with her health.
post #6 of 9
I would proceed with caution though. If she dropped off the older cat out of frustration and you claim the cat back- what happens next time? Maybe she just opens the door or takes the cat for a ride out in the woods or something?

She is blaming the cat for something that the cat isn't able to prevent. If the cat is passing small amounts of urine and squatting while doing so, sitting, straining, passing then moving and doing it again- it is likely a UTI. If the cat is just peeing large amounts of urine in spots then the cat is stressed.

If the cat is tipping it's tail straight up quivering its rump and spraying your walls, then she is marking her territory and sending the others a message. This is common in homes with more than two cats. It is how the cat's "talk" to each other and the spots get freshened probably every three days or so. And yes, females can also spray and they are quite good at it!

I would talk to the wife first and explain that a senior cat in a shelter has little hope of being adopted EVER! I would also lay down the fact that it wasn't for her to make such a drastic change for this cat without the family being involved in the decision. Also, warn her that when you do go and get the cat, there is liable to be major personality changes as the cat will no longer trust your wife. The bond will take a long time to re-form.

Then take the cat to the vet and explain the situation. Have the vet do a needle draw to rule out any health issues. Stress really plays havoc on kitty's urinary system- it is one of the first things to respond to stress.

You can try to remove the smell but if it is just a few choice spots, it may be to late. Once urine hits the air, the bacteria closes in that urine becomes corrosive. It can literally eat through floors, warp wood, even bleach out brick tile. Try Nok-Out Urine-Off and then either sprinkle catnip on the spots daily or place food bowls there. Cats won't pee where they eat or play.

Good luck, you are in a difficult situation, but my heart goes out to your senior cat who all of a sudden has had her world rocked and her trust destroyed.
post #7 of 9
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Originally Posted by farleyv View Post
OMG, that was quite a radical move on her part. I totally agree, a vet visit.
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Originally Posted by My4LLMA
Wow she just dropped the older cat (the 1 you guys have had for years) off at the shelter just like that? Not even discussing it with you first? We discuss everything we do with the cats first.
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Originally Posted by hissy
I would also lay down the fact that it wasn't for her to make such a drastic change for this cat without the family being involved in the decision.
This is the craziest part of the situation and really complicates things. Coming back from weekend trip to find the cat gone really upset my daughter and I. My daughter said at first she didn't want to get her mom any Christmas presents but ended up getting her somethings yesterday. My daughter is not talking to her though. There's been a couple heated arguments over the situation too.

My wife said she thought it would be easier if she did it while we were gone. I haven't quite figured out how she came to that conclusion. It's certainly made things WAY more difficult.

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I would talk to the wife first and explain that a senior cat in a shelter has little hope of being adopted EVER!
She actually volunteered at that shelter walking dogs for months. She should know that. In anger I did say "that cat is is good as dead" which probably isn't helping to calm down the situation.

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Originally Posted by howtoholdacat
Your wife sounds really overwhelmed. My husband and I had a similar problem with his dog. She was soiling all over our house (she's 14) but he left the clean up work to me. Things got much better when he agreed to confine her to the laundry room to contain the mess and he started being her primary caregiver.
I work full time and my wife works maybe 15 hours or so a week. She certainly has found and cleaned up most of the pee since she's home a lot more than I am. She feels like she's the only one dealing with the problem.

I should have been on this site and researching about the problem a lot sooner instead of letting it get to this point. If I get the cat back and it starts peeing around the house again and my wife ends up cleaning up after the cat all the time there's going to be some real problems.

I'm certainly going to have to be more involved and get my daughter more involved.

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Originally Posted by hissy
Then take the cat to the vet and explain the situation. Have the vet do a needle draw to rule out any health issues. Stress really plays havoc on kitty's urinary system- it is one of the first things to respond to stress.
Everybody here seems to be in agreement that there's a good chance it's medical issue and maybe not a reaction to the new pets. Or perhaps a medical issue caused by the stress of the new pets.

I'm going to suggest that we get the cat back and take it to the vet right away and try some of these other suggestions.
post #8 of 9
I'm so sorry for the really SAD situation.

Did your wife clean the areas with an ENZYME cleaner? This was mentioned briefly, and you've probably read up on it on these forums already, but NOTHING other than an enzyme cleaner will manage the problem. The scent of pee outside of the box perpetuates the problem, and cats' noses are FAR more sensitive than a human's nose.

As hissy mentioned, Urine Off or Nok Out are excellent products. We use Nok Out, and it's available only here: http://www.nokout.com

To use it properly, any non-hard surfaces must be SOAKED with whatever product you use. Cat pee wicks, and you have to get the Nok Out (or whatever - please don't use Nature's Miracle, it doesn't work) into the same places. Down to the floorboards, you know? Let it soak for 15 minutes, soak up the excess, and let it air dry. We cover the areas with aluminum foil while they dry - a) to discourage the cat from going there while the cleaner does its job, and b) to remind us not to step there while it dries.

To me it sounds like it is very likely to be a medical problem brought on by stress, because "stress peeing" often (not always, but often) involves peeing on something that smells comforting - like a bed, the couch, or dirty laundry or something.

The other thing to consider is adding a few more litter boxes (at least temporarily) if you're able to talk your wife into giving this a try again - and using Dr. Elsley's Cat Attract litter in them while this gets sorted out. You can find a dealer by typing your zip code into the Precious Cat site: http://www.preciouscat.com/

I hope you're able to bring your kitty home.
post #9 of 9
Good luck to you and your wife. I hope you find a solution that works for you all and you get your kitty back.
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