Help needed from breeders

I dont see the pictures. Of your description about her spots - she perhaps may be a bengal - although Im no expert on bengals.

Her mother a tabby? There are bengal types looking almost like a "common tabby" - not all bengals have spots.

She sounds like a wonderful, young kittie!

Ok. About the idea of mating a look alike with a bengal... I myself think, if you REALLY must have a litter, it is better to strive to the origin yes.
Better than mating with just anyone.
Although no responsible breeder will lend a purebred cat for mating with a moggie of an green amateur. Thus - the stud you can get is almost surely from some unresponsibel owner. Do you really want such a stud?
There ARE exceptions - but they are rare.

But the next, and real question is - why do it? It will still be a litter of moggies. Unless you can get two experienced cat-judges to write under they are bengals. )ie so called novices) Which is rare.

If you are really in for being a breeder, try to breed for real. and purebred. EDIT. The cost is almost the same in many parts.
If you dont want to be an indenpendet breeder as yet, you can perhaps be some sort of sub-breeder cooperating to a real, experienced, serious breeder...

And if you want to enjoy the motherhood, and raising kittens - you can cooperate with some nice, good shelter, and help them with abandoned pregnant moms...
There are lotsa of such. And thus - big need of homes willing to help them in their dire need.
Both rescued semiferals )where you also do some fostering) and abandoned homecats, where there is much less fostering, mostly the care - and the joys of shared parenthood.


Good luck!


ps. ah, NOW I can see the picts! Lovely cat. As said above, not all bengals have spots. Some have a tabby-alike pattern. But if she is a part or almost pure bengal - is a diff question. I dont know.

no, there is nothing to be gained from mating a domestic with a purebred Bengal. No good breeder will allow use of their stud (over here that's against the code of ethics, and a breeder can be de-registered for such behaviour)

Regardless of whether she may or may not be a cross bred Bengal, she shouldn't be bred from so please spay her - and soon as it appears you're letting her outside? Since you mention scaling a 12ft wall, she needs to be kept indoors until she's desexed.

She is a gorgeous looking girl

Once you have her spayed, if she is good with people and tolerant of handling you could always try showing her in the pet category at cat shows. She's very pretty.

Even if she DID have Bengal in her, you cannot breed her to a full blooded Bengal. No reputable breeder would even consider it because she has no pedigree.

I'm glad you will be spaying her. But maybe consider putting her in household pet cat shows.


Amanda, do you think this cat could have a chocolate Ocicat in the background. To me the color is not brown but chocolate classic. And chocolate is not a Bengal color. Maybe a Bengal/Ocicat cross? I know a few Oci breeders that also breed Bengals and there is suspicion in some of their cats as a cross!

Regardless of her background, she is one of the prettiest tabbies I have ever seen!

I don't think I've ever seen a kitty quite like her! Stunning! I think she would do very well in the household pet category if you were interested in showing her

She is LOVELY and BEAUTIFUL

Well there are those breeding Cheetohs (Bengal/Oci cross) but they pretty much look like an Ocicat with a different head shape from the photos I've come across - not like this cat.

I think the OP is in the UK, where they don't typically early neuter so there could be some pet q cats out there that don't get fixed in time I suppose. I agree it looks more chocolate than a usual brown.

I'm pleased your going to have her spayed Phil. Because she's over 6 months old now she really needs to get spayed asap or your little girl will start to wander off when she comes into season.

You'll be doing her a favour as well because unspayed cats are prone to breast cancer, and i'm sure you wouldn't want that to happen

I'm not an expert on these breeds, but to me she doesn't look like a bengal. I agree with others that she looks like a chocolate tabby. Very glad to hear you are spaying her.

She is very beautiful, I would also suggest you to take her to a show.

She is that! And it sounds like she is not short on personality either Congrats on your new pal.

Do we have some misunderstanding? Tabby is not a breed nor a polite word for moggie. Tabby is a pattern, quite common in cats. In fact, also on some Bengals, although they are renowned for their spots and stripes.
So I do understand you wanted to search if she has some bengal in her, although her tabby-pattern.

Dont be sad whatever she is, she does count as a moggie, and will be spayed: Most pure-bred cats are also spayed. Many of these do have good looks and decent heritage, and would be entirely OK to breed on.
Most pure breds ARE "just" neutered, happy family pets.
It is the normal. Quite a few are taken out for breeding.

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Chocolate is a somewhat another colour than say - brown... If you want to show her at a cat show (I too hope you want) - good for you to know so you will not be surprised by the judges language. Or if you talk with others cat freaks. Or if, God forbide, she gots astray and you are searching after her trying to descibe her.

Phil, procedures have changed here in the UK over the age to spay and neuter. Were just talking in the last year or two because Jack's 3 now and they wouldn't do him until he was 6 month's old, but now they can do them around 4-41/2 months old as long as their weight's ok

If you have a look at Jack in my pictures you'll see he's a tabby but a different shade to Sophie

Just a slight correction to this. ALL Bengal cats are tabbies.

The OP's cat definitely has a unique look, but if I were to take a guess at parentage, I would lean more towards American Shorthair versus Bengal.

In addition his assertion that his cat is a chocolate tabby is correct aside from leaving off the descriptors: DSH and "classic", as in classic tabby since his cat has the marbled pattern.

Nial - since you mentioned American SH it could be a possible Oci/ASH rather then Oci/Bengal. The only thing is chocolate is not a color found in ASH nor Bengals. It would have to come from the Ocicat.

Would be interesting if we could find out what really was in the cat. The head color is slightly different then the body markings. Maybe a possible Silver Tabby ASH to a Chocolate Tabby Oci????

Chocolate Classic Tabby Domestic Shorthair

Cats are usually described by color, pattern, then breed.

No breeder here, but it's possible for litter mates to have different fathers. Sophie is a gorgeous girl.

Take a look at the bengal at this link:

http://www.dicapriobengals.com/MyPur...ve%20Page.html

There was quite alot of debate between judges and breeders at a show about what this girl's real color was. She was DNA tested and her color is Seal Silver Sepia, but she was really throwing everyone with that chocolate looking marbling.

WEIRD Nial - I never would have gotten those colors out of her! But the OP's cat looks more chocolate. However if the mom was this color, then no way would you have a red tabby male as mom gives color to the males.

To the OP - yes its very possible to have several fathers involved in one litter.

There was another TCS member that had a very unusual cat and the sister too - they were out of a blue mother (forgot what the father was), but her cat was a smoke chocolate ticked tabby longhair and the sister was a silver mackerel tabby. We have yet to figure out how that happened.

This is another mystery on color and more complicated genetics involved!

Mother Nature never ceases to amaze!


Added - then again - perhaps this is not chocolate but cinnamon! That may account for a "red" brother. Its definately not a brown in any sense - looking at the pics again, I'm thinking possible cimmamon. Any one else venture a guess here?

Hmm, now that I've looked at the latest pic posted, I'm thinking cinnamon too Martice.

Most genetics are not that detailed. I have Ocicats and are still working on learning how those colors work. My first Oci was chocolate spotted; my current Oci is a cinnamon (which is a red-chocolate color), and will be getting another chocolate in the spring. I wanted chocolate-silver, but that's not to be.....

I love genetics but its hard to comprehend at times. I'm good at the basics, but not when it comes to the non-normal colors

A lot of in here show either household pets and/or purebreds - so any show questions you have, just start a new thread and ask away - we'll be glad to help you out.

I think I'd change her to a cinnamon classic tabby for show color purposes. Then see what the judges have to say when you have her in the ring.


I sent this link to one of my Ocicat breeders who is very good with genetics to see what she says the color is.

Well we ALL got her pegged wrong (especially Nial and I). This is Anne's reply back to me after she looked at the pictures.

"She's pointed, that's why the color is so light on the body as opposed to the head. But the true color is always the tail tip (or head color) and you can see that it's basically black (seal).

In a Bengal, she would be a snow leopard. But she doesn't really look like a Bengal much, she's just a nice pointed tabby"

Anne

So that means if you show her she would be classified as a seal lynx point tabby (shorthair class of course).

Anne knows her stuff on genetics!

Wait, hold up.

A seal lynx point tabby will have BLUE eyes. Back to the drawing board.