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A scary first experience with Frontline Plus

post #1 of 30
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The bad news is, my first post is somewhat negative. The good news is, I've always thought about checking out a "cat lovers" type forum, and wanting to discuss this experience has motivated me to do so.

Before I get started I should say that yes, I do bear Merial Corporation some ill will, but I'm not a company "plant". I gather that many of the larger corporations unfortunately employ "guerrilla marketers" as they are called, who among other things post negative topics about competitors (and likewise, positive comments about their employer's products) in forums like this. Sad times we live in, but I assure you I'm not one of these folks. Anyone can PM me for my case number with Merial if they are interested.

My indoor-only, spayed female domestic tabby has been 100% flea-free since I took her home from the shelter. Recently we moved to a new home, and shortly thereafter she started scratching. Either the place came with fleas, or she picked them up during transport. I remembered the unpleasant and extensive flea-purging rituals of my youth and decided to try one of the "new" (to me) skin-based products like Frontline Plus. I did a bit of research and chose Frontline Plus for Cats, thinking it would be superior to vastly less-expensive products I saw at the supermarket.

Thank God for my mom, who bought me a cat health book when I brought her home. I read that book cover to cover, so when the bad reaction began I knew what I was seeing. Since this happened I've seen tons of posts around the 'nets saying that drooling, foaming and hyperactive behavior are all normal when taking this product. Well, according to what I've read those are all potential signs of poisoning. When I began to see these signs shorly after administering Frontline Plus I became very watchful, and once the open-mouthed breathing (panting) began, I was out the door, kitty in my girlfriend's arms. My girlfriend had that eerie calm of a life-or-death situation, which is good because I was on the verge of breakdown. We drove the 20 miles to the closest Veterinarian emergency, where the vet confirmed my diagnosis of a bad reaction to the Frontline Plus. They were able to save her, keeping her overnight.

The emergency vet cost me a bundle, and we are quite poor. She suggested I call Merial, the maker of Frontline. According to her, in cases such as this the company sometimes reimburses a customer for veterinary expenses. I figured it was worth a shot.

Those of you who have tried to get money out of a large corporation probably have some idea of what was involved. Many phone calls, tons of bureaucracy, many forms, copies of vet bills, returning of the product and so forth. It went on for quite a while, but I was encouraged since the Merial rep, "Caroline", confirmed that indeed there are cases where Merial will reimburse.

A few weeks went by, and I heard no more from Merial. When I called the rep back, I had the most surreal experience. When I finally tracked her down, I asked her if they had made a decision on the reimbursement issue. She replied that they would reimburse me for the cost of the product. Ok, great, I said. That $60 will definitely help. How about the $600 vet bill?

Answer: "You will need to contact your veterinarian". Hrrrm. Maybe we are mis-communicating. I rephrased the question. Again: "You will need to contact your veterinarian". I felt I was entering one of those bizarre, scripted time-warps you sometimes get into with customer service reps. I said that I would be happy to contact my vet if they liked, but could she give me a determination on my reimbursement? Again, robot-like, she repeated that same phrase. It was so surreal! At one point I asked her, politely, if she was constrained by company policy from discussing it with me, and STILL she could not give me even a yes or no. "Sir, you will need to contact your veterinarian". But...I've already paid my vet. She isn't the one I'm asking or reimbursement from. Well, you get the idea. This rep was always pleasant, or at least professional, up till this point. And having had some previous experience with customer service, I just assumed that she was indeed bound by some arcane corporate policy that forbade her from doing anything beyond reciting this strange mantra to me. I didn't take it out on her, but I was somewhat irritated and even more baffled. She repeated the same phrase, verbatim, at least a half dozen times. She wouldn't say anything else.

I did end up calling my vet as instructed. All she could do was call Merial herself (awesome vet!), who then gave her my "No" answer. Why couldn't they just tell ME that? I really don't think Merial ever planned to give me a dime toward my vet expenses, and it would have saved me a ton of time and effort if they had just said so from the outset. These Machiavellian corporate maneuvers can be a huge pain the tuckus, to say the least. You might think it'd be worth a few hundred bucks to sooth a customer who went through what I did, but apparently you'd be wrong. The utterly surreal customer service experience at the end didn't help.

Also, they seemed very keen to get the remaining doses back from me. Maybe I'm just being paranoid, but it does seem convenient that I no longer have the evidence, so to speak. It wouldn't surprise me to find that in these circumstances, the product refund is heartily endorsed by Merial's legal department, if you catch my drift. Contrast the eagerness of the representative for me to mail in my remaining doses with the eerie responses to my vet reimbursement requests.

In conclusion, I'll just say "Buyer beware". These types of products are toxins, designed to kill living things. Given that, I suppose it's not so surprising that cats get sick and sometimes die from administering them. But that thought never crossed my mind when I bought Frontline Plus for Cats. Had I known there was any chance of illness or death, I wouldn't even consider using it. My cat's life is one of the most precious things in my existence, and there is no way I'm risking it by applying a poison to their skin. Heck of a scary (and expensive) lesson though.
post #2 of 30
Welcome to TCS! I'm sorry that you and your kitty had to go through this. Is she doing okay now?
post #3 of 30
Welcome to TCS. I am sorry you and your cat went through this bad experience. Some cats are allergic to certain products, others have no problems. I have a cat who is allergic to Advantage flea treatment - the only time I used it on him he began itching till his whole body was twitching, then drooling till I put him in a bath and washed it all off. My others tolerate it well. He is OK with Frontline. So you do have to find what is best for your cat.

I ho0pe you stick around here - there is so much information and fun to share.
post #4 of 30
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Originally Posted by jennyranson View Post
Some cats are allergic to certain products, others have no problems.
Allergy = immune response to proteins. Pesticides = chemicals containing no proteins.

People seem really confused as to the difference between chemical sensitivities and allergies. They are not one in the same and if anyone says "allergy" to you they have no dang idea what they're talking about.

That said, all of the flea product manufacturers have cases pending against them. If you wish to pursue it you'll need a lawyer.
I'm sorry that your cat was sensitive to this. How old is your cat and has she ever had blood work done to check her liver and kidneys? There's some chance that she could have had some underlying liver issues, thus she wasn't able to clear the pesticides out like many cats do. You will want to check her liver and kidneys in the future to see what affect this had on them and always be mindful that she could react to other things.
post #5 of 30
I hope your kitty is ok and so sorry she had a bad reaction to this med. I just wanted to say I am very familiar with your statement of they seemed to really want the frontline back, absence of evidence, etc... I've had that sort of thing happen to me so many times that I know now to keep what I have until I am reimbursed or something else satisfying happens.

Off topic slightly: Like when a co-worker and I bought a hamburger at a fast food chain, when she bit into hers it had broken glass all in it and a full glass bottom of a bottle. Against everyone's decision she took the hamburger back, where it was promptly thrown in the trash and given a new hamburger free of charge. Her husband was furious with her because of what could have been done over that. *shrugs*

The most important thing is your kitty is ok, and I agree, get blood tests done to make sure there are no underlying issues.
post #6 of 30
Hello and welcome to TCS. Even though your kitty ended up having a sensitivity to the Frontline plus (I have one kitty who has, also) you were still better off than if you had used some OTC products from hartz, sergeant or some of the others.

Jennie had a bad time with frontline plus, so I'm using revolution on her, for the duration of flea treating, which I am almost done with thank goodness.

Like you I'd never had flea trouble, but then I brought in a flea infested kitten so before I even brought her home I treated the other cats to protect them.

One more month of treatment and I think we're done.

Keep us posted on your girlie.
post #7 of 30
Sorry for misusing the word 'allergy'. I was using it in the sense that everyone (OK,idiots like me!) does when I mean sensitivity. My Bonaparte is sensitive to a number of things, including metal, that bring him out in rashes, and even the vet uses the term 'allergy'.
post #8 of 30
Thread Starter 
Hello all and thank you for your kind words and edification. Particularly interesting was the bit about having her liver and kidneys checked. Sounds worthwhile, just to be sure. We are tight on money to say the least, but she's worth it. She is approximately 9 years old, no way to be sure since she's an adopted shelter kittty.

She seems ok now. She was still having muscle tremors and hyperventilation when I picked her up the morning after the incident, but according to the vet they were not severe enough to be dangerous at that point. I was sent home with some muscle relaxers just in case the tremors increased, but didn't need to use them. All the bodily symptoms subsided about 24 hours after getting her home, and after that it was just emotional adjustment to the trauma. Now back to her normal self as far as I can tell.
post #9 of 30
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Sorry for double post...since my last reply, I've been poking around the site, and I notice folks recommend only getting flea treatments from a vet. That made me recall that every time I called Merial Corp, the first thing they asked was "Did you purchase Frontline Plus for Cats from your Veterinarian?". So now I'm curious about A.) why knowledgeable members recommend doing so, and B.) why does Merial find this so significant? I bought mine at the local Petco (and it cost an arm and a leg, I might add).
post #10 of 30
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Originally Posted by Hal900x View Post
Sorry for double post...since my last reply, I've been poking around the site, and I notice folks recommend only getting flea treatments from a vet. That made me recall that every time I called Merial Corp, the first thing they asked was "Did you purchase Frontline Plus for Cats from your Veterinarian?". So now I'm curious about A.) why knowledgeable members recommend doing so, and B.) why does Merial find this so significant? I bought mine at the local Petco (and it cost an arm and a leg, I might add).
This is because up until April 2010 Merial flea products were sold ONLY to veterinarians.

Bought anywhere else but a from a veternarian, there was no guarantee you were buying the correct product. The product could be bootleg or counterfeit, not made by Merial at all.

Now Frontline products and Advantage products (made by Bayer) ARE available OTC, but this is only in the past 6 months, so there is likely still a very large percentage of counterfeit and bootleg product floating around the market.

And, personally I would continue to purchase flea protection products only from my veterinarian. It's cheaper at my vet too. My vet clinic undersells the online stores, because they want their clients to purchase safe genuine product.

PS I'm glad your girl is home now, and feeling better.
post #11 of 30
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Originally Posted by otto View Post
This is because up until April 2010 Merial flea products were sold ONLY to veterinarians.

Bought anywhere else but a from a veternarian, there was no guarantee you were buying the correct product. The product could be bootleg or counterfeit, not made by Merial at all.

Now Frontline products and Advantage products (made by Bayer) ARE available OTC, but this is only in the past 6 months, so there is likely still a very large percentage of counterfeit and bootleg product floating around the market.

And, personally I would continue to purchase flea protection products only from my veterinarian. It's cheaper at my vet too. My vet clinic undersells the online stores, because they want their clients to purchase safe genuine product.
Not Questioning you Otto but Petco ,Petsmart and feed and small pet have both SOLD all but Revolution( which I believe is still vet only) for at least the last 4 ish yrs ( I know as I worked in many of these stores and my own vet discontinued carrying them due to this ... I know at least 75% of the vets around here have not carried them in office in at least 3 yrs ... Of Course this could be like salon shampoo at the local discount and drug store ... They can get it but are not legally or legit selling it ..
post #12 of 30
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Originally Posted by sharky View Post
Not Questioning you Otto but Petco ,Petsmart and feed and small pet have both SOLD all but Revolution( which I believe is still vet only) for at least the last 4 ish yrs ( I know as I worked in many of these stores and my own vet discontinued carrying them due to this ... I know at least 75% of the vets around here have not carried them in office in at least 3 yrs ... Of Course this could be like salon shampoo at the local discount and drug store ... They can get it but are not legally or legit selling it ..
Yes, Sharky, many places have been selling these products for years, but unless they have a practicing vet on staff, they acquired it illegally.

One way these places would acquire the product is from unscrupulous veterinarians who would buy large lots, and then sell it to these other stores. But you were just as likely to get something that looked like frontline but contained nothing but water and alcohol, or worse something that looked like frontline but contained something more toxic. This was big business, the vials would be packaged in other countries with who knows what, then sold in the USA and other countries where the product is used.

Not any more, of course, because both Merial and Bayer have gone OTC, probably (in my opinion) as an attempt to stop the counterfeit and bootleg business.
post #13 of 30
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Originally Posted by otto View Post
Yes, Sharky, many places have been selling these products for years, but unless they have a practicing vet on staff, they acquired it illegally.

One way these places would acquire the product is from unscrupulous veterinarians who would buy large lots, and then sell it to these other stores. But you were just as likely to get something that looked like frontline but contained nothing but water and alcohol, or worse something that looked like frontline but contained something more toxic. This was big business, the vials would be packaged in other countries with who knows what, then sold in the USA and other countries where the product is used.

Not any more, of course, because both Merial and Bayer have gone OTC, probably (in my opinion) as an attempt to stop the counterfeit and bootleg business.
Sorry otto, but I find this very hard to believe. I happen to deal with large chain store buyers such as the mentioned above, and at least in my industry they have pretty strong legal departments that will make sure this doesn't happen.
Petco, PetSmart, are very large chains, and the FDA would close onto them FAST (yes, I deal with the FDA approved products too). So... This would be more likely to happen is a mom and pap store or in an online store without an address, but in a chain like those mentioned above with thousands of stores national-wide? I seriously doubt it.
post #14 of 30
So how did they acquire these medications then? Up until this spring Merial and Bayer sold only to veterinarians. There are many ways around laws, Carolina, and big corporations are more likely than the neighborhood mom and pop store to know those ways. You said it yourself, they have "strong legal departments" and know how to bend the rules to suit themselves.

Prior to going OTC Merial, for instance, would not honor or investigate a complaint from a consumer about the frontline product, if the product was not bought from a veterinarian. Why not? Because they sold only to veterinarians, so if the consumer purchased it somewhere else, Merial could not be held liable for the failings of the product.

Bootleg and counterfeit flea product is, or was, big business. Hopefully going OTC will cut way down on the problem.

But anyway, that's why, in cases like with the OP here in this thread, they were questioned as to where they purchased the product.
post #15 of 30
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Originally Posted by otto View Post
So how did they acquire these medications then? Up until this spring Merial and Bayer sold only to veterinarians. There are many ways around laws, Carolina, and big corporations are more likely than the neighborhood mom and pop store to know those ways. You said it yourself, they have "strong legal departments" and know how to bend the rules to suit themselves. Wait a minute - I never said they have big legal departments to bend the rules here - do not twist my words, please. Their legal departments exist to make sure all the legalities are in check, as in case of a lawsuit, they are 1st in line to be sued, the manufacturer second. That's why we, as manufacturers, sign insurance policies of millions of $$$ per incident insuring them in our policies.

Prior to going OTC Merial, for instance, would not honor or investigate a complaint from a consumer about the frontline product, if the product was not bought from a veterinarian. Why not? Because they sold only to veterinarians, so if the consumer purchased it somewhere else, Merial could not be held liable for the failings of the product. Maybe not Merial, but the EPA certainly did - not only that, but they issued a class action on counterfeit OTC products on Frontline and Advantage on 2004 sold over the counter. The fines were up to $27,500 per sale, one year imprisonment or both.
http://www.epa.gov/pesticides/factsh...ilerfactsh.pdf and http://www.epa.gov/pesticides/factsh...tm#counterfeit
and for more details, which means it was already being retailed then, by the way.

Bootleg and counterfeit flea product is, or was, big business. Hopefully going OTC will cut way down on the problem.

But anyway, that's why, in cases like with the OP here in this thread, they were questioned as to where they purchased the product.
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post #16 of 30
Welcome to TCS! I'm sorry your kitty had such a severe reaction to the flea preventative, and I hope she's doing well now & flea free.

I've unfortunately seen many cats have reactions to a variety of vet sold flea/tick preventatives on the market - Frontline Plus, Revolution, as well as Advantage. It depends on the individual cat, some have more severe reactions, some less noticeable. Most I've seen are the less severe, more simply/less scary hairloss....I can't imagine how freaked out you were. What it boils down to is that it is a pesticide that is being applied topically....and while not a 'drug' I will use that term in this next statement - all drugs carry risks. In the future if you have a flea problem, I'd opt for something less....well "harsh" for lack of a better word....than Frontline, whether it be a mote natural remedy or alternative flea preventative. (Please note I have nothing against Frontline & do not advise against using it. IMO it is one of the best flea preventatives for heavy flea infestations, from what I've seen.) For kitties who've reacted to Frontline at the shelter, we use Revolution on them after that, as there seems to be fewer reactions to it.
post #17 of 30
I used front line a week ago on my cats and I didn't even know that there was a risk involved. Thanks for the heads up. I will be sticking with the annual flea bath.... and even then after much research.

Sorry about what you and your kitty had to go threw. That's absolutely awful. I can't believe that they dismissed you that way as well.... sad day.

Im glad your little one made it.
post #18 of 30
How about we just agree to disagree on this topic Carolina.

My answer to the OP about why they are continually being asked where they purchased the frontline plus product remains: up until 6 months ago Merial sold only to veterinarians, and if they had purchased the product from any place but a vet there was a chance that what they purchased was counterfeit or bootleg or contaminated, (and there is still a possibility that some of these other products remain on the market), and that is why they are being asked where they purchased it.
post #19 of 30
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Originally Posted by Noisette View Post
I used front line a week ago on my cats and I didn't even know that there was a risk involved. Thanks for the heads up. I will be sticking with the annual flea bath.... and even then after much research.

Sorry about what you and your kitty had to go threw. That's absolutely awful. I can't believe that they dismissed you that way as well.... sad day.

Im glad your little one made it.
If you purchased it from your vet, and none of your cats had a reaction, then they are fine.

Every cat is different and not all cats can tolerate all medications. I treated all four of my cats last night. Three with frontline plus and one with Revolution. Jennie showed a sensitivity to the frontline plus when I used it on her before, so I purchased the Revloution to use on her.

She seems slightly sensitive even to the Revolution, but I think it's more the smell of it than any real distress. She stares at me reproachfully for hours after I apply it, until the smell wears off.

I never have had a flea problem, but I rescued a flea ridden kitten in August, so to be safe, I treated all adult cats before I even brought her in the house and will continue to treat for a full six months, and that will be all.

I purchase my flea treatment products from my vet, where I know they are the genuine product, and they are less expensive than anywhere else including on-line stores.

Every medication carries risks and side affects. Only a small percentage of cats will show problems to any given medicine, and often the risk is seen as worth it, give the consequences if no treatment at all is done.

What we as consumers can do is to make sure we read all accompanying literature, and know what to do if the pet has a bad reaction.
post #20 of 30
Actually, according to this Frontline is not OTC. Has anyone called and asked them? If this is the case, the OP needs to take it up with the store that sold the product. ..Better have the receipt.

Bayer allowed Advantage to go OTC in last spring - longer than 6 months ago.


Hal900x - I'm very curious. You said your cat is 9 years old, correct? Was she getting annual, or even biannual, check ups with full blood work? She really should have been having this done since she's a senior cat and it could have possibly showed that she had something underlying. Now you really must do this at least yearly, starting a couple weeks from now to see if this incident left much damage. I'm really hoping that it didn't, but doing regular blood work will give you a big heads up for health problems.

If you need a safe option for treating fleas in the future get some human food grade diatomaceous earth. There's also a product that another member using on here called De Flea - I'm not sure how safe it is (though she's smart and wouldn't fool around with anything dangerous) so someone that's used it will have to weigh in.
post #21 of 30
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Originally Posted by strange_wings View Post
Actually, according to this Frontline is not OTC. Has anyone called and asked them? If this is the case, the OP needs to take it up with the store that sold the product. ..Better have the receipt.

Bayer allowed Advantage to go OTC in last spring - longer than 6 months ago.


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Thank you for the updated information!

So....the news circulated that Merial was putting frontline products as OTC stems from a survey, with intentions misunderstood, and they never intended this to happen.

That is a very important article and illustrates what I was saying earlier, that there are knock-offs meant to look like the genuine frontline product, and that on-line stores and box stores obtain the product illegally.

I urge you to read it, and it's links, Carolina. I did look at yours, and have read them before. The fact that there are laws against these practices does not mean the practices have stopped. Bootleg and counterfeit flea products is big business and someone is getting rich through it, regardless of EPA laws.

Okay Bayer products went OTC I thought in February, but one article said March, either way, a little more than six months ago.

Advantage doses go by weight, which makes them even more dangerous, so I do question their decision to go OTC. In general I think consumers are not very good at judging a pet's weight.

Bottom line, in my opinion is these products, and any pet medications that are not supplements, and even some supplements, should be purchased at the vet clinic where the pet is being treated, regardless of their OTC status, and I will continue to advise people to do so.

People are so brainwashed into thinking on-line is cheaper, many don't even think to check prices with their vet.
post #22 of 30
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Originally Posted by otto View Post
Advantage doses go by weight, which makes them even more dangerous, so I do question their decision to go OTC. In general I think consumers are not very good at judging a pet's weight.
All of them use broad dosing like that, either by age or weight. So there's always the chance for an overdose.

IMO, no one should ever "judge" their pets weight. Get a scale or take the cat to the vet to get them weighed. Never guess in these situations and know your pet's weight anyways. (though, I can be pretty darn accurate at guessing - I still don't trust my guesses)

My vet no longer sells Advantage. Likely due to Bayer going OTC with it and not wanting to have to compete price wise... though he always had good prices on it, only a couple dollars more than even online prices. In which case, there's your shipping or taxes.

I have had one cat react minorly to Advantage years ago. He checked out fine on blood work after, luckily, and I didn't use Advantage again on him until last August. And in that case I had to split some 9lb+ doses (all that I had left and couldn't buy more from my vet) down for my 7 and 8lb female cats, I under dosed him just in case. Probably not ideal, but my vet would have suggested a large tube for him for just about anything because he's 10 1/2lbs.

I really think they should offer better dosing sizes and guidelines for all flea topicals. It might just prevent some of the OD issues that people run into even with legitimate products purchased from their vet.
Maybe I'm really far off in thinking this, but I think that in older cats if they absolutely must be dosed with a topical and the owner doesn't regularly check their liver (or even if they do) that there should be a dosing guideline that says to give them a smaller dose much like there is with humans that have liver issues and need medications.
post #23 of 30
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Originally Posted by otto View Post
I urge you to read it, and it's links, Carolina. I did look at yours, and have read them before. The fact that there are laws against these practices does not mean the practices have stopped. Bootleg and counterfeit flea products is big business and someone is getting rich through it, regardless of EPA laws.
otto, I read and re-read, and do understand.
The first thing that I will agree to disagree is, that what you are calling Couterfeit, is not. What you are calling counterfeit, should be called actually Diverted Products. And yet I can not prove, nobody will convince me that the manufacturers themselves are not involved behind it. IMHO, it is just not possible. It is a very very old practice...
Allow me to explain why... and the differences in between a diverted product and counterfeited product. A counterfeit, well, is just that - fake, and that is what the EPA took action against in 2004 - we heard about it, we would hear about it... LOUD and CLEAR. Lets take Petco for example. They sell Frontline, and have 950 stores, plus online sales.
How do you think they get their stock?
Diversion is when a product is sold outside of its official channel of sales. Sometimes it is done on the black market, but in mass market like this, with chain stores such as Petco, for example, much (let me emphasize MUCH) more often than not, the manufacturer is involved and does not make it public in order to protect its official sales channel, which in this case is the Veterinarian Market. So, they sell to them via brokers.
The reason why it would be pretty much impossible to get the product on the black market through a vet, say selling over inventory, is the massive quantities on the purchase orders...
Say each 950 stores order a minimum of a case of 12 of ea SKU plus 30% for back up inventory for each 950 store a month. Are you trying to tell me a manufacturer would not notice something like that?
IMHO, they do this themselves.... and then deny it...
If you are familiar with Paul Mitchel, this is exactly what he does - this is how he sells to walmart, CVS, Ralphs, Krogger, Walgreens.... But you open a magazine, or watch TV, and there he is, saying that you can only buy his products from a salon otherwise it can be fake. Paul Mitchel sells to all those mass stores himself, and that is a fact. Very, very well know in the beauty industry, and it has become a joke...
So... A diverted product, is not, by any means, a counterfeit product. There is a huge difference in between the two.
On that, I will gladly agree to disagree with you.
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^Oh, I have no doubt that the products are real. You can buy them anywhere you want if you wish as long as you call the company and verify the lot and EPA number. But by doing that Merial call pull stunts like this. In fact selling to stores, and cheaper, is probably one of their methods for getting around issues that happen with the product they sell to vets and that they have to cover. ...But I'm a suspicious person when it comes to big companies.


To the OP: I hope you caught my mention of taking this up with Petco.
post #25 of 30
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Originally Posted by jennyranson View Post
Sorry for misusing the word 'allergy'. I was using it in the sense that everyone (OK,idiots like me!) does when I mean sensitivity. My Bonaparte is sensitive to a number of things, including metal, that bring him out in rashes, and even the vet uses the term 'allergy'.
Jenny, I'd be in the "idiot" group as well as I would likely use the term allergy and therefore not be "technically correct", but the rest of the idiots in the world like me would understand what I meant.
post #26 of 30
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Originally Posted by Yosemite View Post
Jenny, I'd be in the "idiot" group as well as I would likely use the term allergy and therefore not be "technically correct", but the rest of the idiots in the world like me would understand what I meant.
Even many who do know that would still understand...
post #27 of 30
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Originally Posted by Yosemite View Post
Jenny, I'd be in the "idiot" group as well as I would likely use the term allergy and therefore not be "technically correct", but the rest of the idiots in the world like me would understand what I meant.
I simply wish for people to learn the difference. A straight allergy is bad but generally easier to predict - if something always gives you a rash, chances are it will give you a rash when you're in contact with it again (unless something in your body changes, which is always likely). Chemical sensitivities are different. They can super sensitize the body so that when you do come across those allergens that would naturally only mildly bother you, you don't know how you will respond - you may have a serious anaphylactic reaction. Plus chemical sensitivities can make you ill in their own way.

I didn't mean to imply anyone was an idiot, just simply wanted to clarify in much the same way many others do on here.


I wonder how the OP's cat is doing? I don't suspect they made much progress during this last week with Merial or Petco, so I hope they have better luck this week or soon.
post #28 of 30
Thread Starter 
Hi all. Wow, quite a bit of discussion here! As for "Sweetfeet", she appears to be doing fine. Back to her spoiled, sassy self. However, after reading various comments here I am not going to assume that appearances are enough. I'll be scheduling a Vet appointment for a liver panel and whatever additional tests the Vet recommends.

Now that I've heard the debate about OTC vs Vet, Merial's urgency in getting my remaining doses makes more sense. Perhaps they wanted to verify the product's authenticity. I assume it was authentic, since they didn't say otherwise, and were able to confirm the lot number on my product.

I did catch the suggestion to take it up with Petco. I'll have to think on this. Not because it isn't a good idea, but because dealing with these mega-corporations is a tiring battle indeed, and, unless you happen to have plenty of resources (time and money, mainly) usually a losing one. It took all I had to tussle with Merial; these types of interactions are extremely draining and depressing for me.

As for allergic vs chemical sensitivity and so forth, that I already knew. As an earlier poster said, it is a pesticide. A toxin. I'm sure some complicated science went into the delivery system for this particular poison, such that it is intended to take up residence in the cat's sebum glands and not enter the bloodstream of the cat. But poison is poison, and in retrospect I simply had too much faith in the scientists who developed Frontline Plus, and in the company that markets it. Caveat Emptor and all that...I have no doubt that FDA regulations are orders of magnitude more permissive when it comes to animals. In retrospect it seems obvious that there could be problems, but hindsight is 20/20.

It's a tough choice, whether to use a product containing toxins or go with something less toxic but potentially less effective (and more work). I knew about diatomaceous earth for cockroaches, been around for many years. I wasn't aware it was an option for fleas as well. I'll do a bit of research on that, thanks.
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It's a tough choice, whether to use a product containing toxins or go with something less toxic but potentially less effective (and more work). I knew about diatomaceous earth for cockroaches, been around for many years. I wasn't aware it was an option for fleas as well. I'll do a bit of research on that, thanks.
It'll work on anything with an exoskeleton, and on gastropods, too.

I understand about not wanting to fight with Petco - there may be a class action somewhere for this, who knows?

As for Frontline - fipronil was actually developed in the mid-eighties for use on crops and pests. (hence why fleas have been becoming resistant to it) It still gets used on our food crops. The EPA handles this, or should. With everyone that was voted in recently and some with their interests in cutting back on the EPA's control of things like pesticides, water, drilling/waste, etc, don't look for them to do much about all the trouble with flea topicals lately.

I'm glad to hear that your cat is doing better. She really should have regular blood work anyways since she's an older girl. I hope that upcoming tests and several future ones look good.
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Having worked in Petcos ( not for) I would suggest talking with the Store manager .. They may not be able to do much but they will talk with district and regional... Yes going after the big corp is hard but starting at the store level is easy... Let the manager do the work for you
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