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I mentioned in the Thanksgiving thread that my aunt is in a nursing home. These past few months have been stressful, between what's going on with my dad and then my aunt, too. She has fallen several times now and has broken her hip (with an operation to insert three pins in her hip) and has now fractured her pelvis in two places. She is also in mid-dementia and doesn't make a lot of sense anymore when I visit with her. But that's OK....I sit down with her and listen to her babble (I'm sorry, but that's pretty much what it is). I won't go into detail about her and what she says because it is dementia and that's all there is to it.

Anyway, there is no way she can go back to her apartment. It's impossible. She cannot take care of herself. So my sister and I are the ones who are going to have to tear down her apartment and get rid of things.

There are some things that I would like to have: primarily kitchen-type things. Old spice containers, her cookie cutters, rolling pins, things like that. I want them because they were hers....I do not want to sell them. I have my grandmother's old things as well and I love them simply b/c they were grandma's. My aunt also has a bell collection, which she always told me was to become mine. There are some other things, too, not really worth anything, but worth sentimental value to me.

The problem is that I feel like I'm stealing from her! She has not passed on or anything, but again, there's no way she'll ever leave the nursing home. She will never use these things again. I tried to take some of her more personal knick-knacks and pictures and put them in her room at the home, but she just got very upset....she wants to go home. She cannot.

I talked to my sister about giving her money for these things. But again, she doesn't need any money....she can't spend any money because she can't go anywhere. I pay for her to have her hair done every other week; the beautician comes into the home and does sets, perms, haircuts, etc. for the residents. We both have power-of-attorney for her and we have paid her bills as they've come in....we've been very careful to leave a good paper trail in case somebody were to ask questions about what we're doing.

We have to tear down the apartment; the lease runs out at the end of the year and we've already told the landlord that we're not renewing. What we don't get rid of, we're going to have to store in a rented space or something....and that seems like a waste of money, too.

Is it stealing? I feel guilty about taking her things. But, she's always told me that these are things I'm supposed to have....she wants them to be used. I've never had to deal with anything like this. Any ideas? Thanks.
 

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I don't think it is stealing at ALL hun! I'm sure she would want you to have those things anyway, and she will never have any use for them again.
I understand your concerns, but I can't see anything wrong with it at all.
 

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I look at it as though you're keeping the things in trust, and in love, for her...I think it's great you're keeping a paper trail, and I would continue to do that, but I think it's good what you're doing. Only a very ethical person would so question herself.

Best wishes to you all.
 

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Originally Posted by darlili

I look at it as though you're keeping the things in trust, and in love, for her...I think it's great you're keeping a paper trail, and I would continue to do that, but I think it's good what you're doing. Only a very ethical person would so question herself.

Best wishes to you all.
Her apartment could get robbed and trashed, so you are keeping her things safe. Look at it this way, if she has a miracle and everything turns around, you will give her the stuff back. I know you said you aren't going to sell the things, but by law nobody should sell anything because it's all part of her estate to be divided and given away after her death according to her will.

Sorry you are going through such a tough time.
 

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This is a subject very dear to my heart, as I've somehow become the family historian/'keeper of family treasures". I know your heart is in the right place; you're doing the right thing by keeping a paper trail of any money you spend on your aunt's care.

You mentioned that you and your sister have power of attorney; there are different types of poa---make sure you have the right to be dealing with your aunt's money and personal property. Does your aunt have a will? Does she have children or siblings? In most states there is a 'pecking order' for disposing of a person's items after they pass away.

No, hun, you aren't stealing. Your aunt told you she wanted you to have these things. Others might not see it that way. Keep a list of every item you take for yourself. You and your sister need to itemize everything that you remove from her home, whether it's given away, put in storage, donated, or thrown out. Inheritances, no matter how small or seemingly trivial, can tear a family apart. I would seriously hate to see you go thru something like that when you're only trying to do the right thing.
 

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Originally Posted by Winchester

Is it stealing? I feel guilty about taking her things. But, she's always told me that these are things I'm supposed to have....she wants them to be used. I've never had to deal with anything like this. Any ideas? Thanks.
No. It isn't stealing. Her health is failing to the point where she can no longer live on her own in her own place or with her things surrounding her.

You both have a choice.

1. Pack up the stuff and put it into storage. Storage would cost money if you use a professional storage company. Or the boxes and such could be stored in one of your basements.

2. Deal with her belongings now. Divide up items that each family member wants now, so that they can enjoy them now while she is still alive.

When my grandmother went into a nursing home, her sons did the latter. The house was sold and her things were divided up between the family. The money from the sale of her house went into a trust, and upon her death, was divided up between her children and their heirs.
 
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Thank you for replying.

We spent the morning going through her kitchen and dining room. I only took a few things: some stainless steel mixing bowls and some baking items. Her steak knives, which are just gorgeous (yes, they really are). That was it.

Actually, her will states that everything is to go to my parents upon her death. However, if my father (who is her sole surviving sibling and relative as there's nobody else, other than us....period) passes away before my aunt does, then everything is to be divided up among me, my sister and my brother. It's pretty specific and nobody else is even mentioned. My aunt has nobody else, no children or anything. It's just us. My brother has already said he wants nothing to do with anything. My sister doesn't enjoy cooking and doesn't want anything from my aunt's kitchen. So I guess I shouldn't feel bad about it. But I do.

And the POA enables us to make decisions for her, to pay her bills, to write checks, etc. At this point, she is completely unable to do much of anything for herself; she has dementia and it's not pretty.

I do intend to keep her pictures and photograph albums with me; things like that need to be saved. I don't know who some of the people are in some of her pictures. But I don't think they should be just thrown out. There is history there. We found some old letters that were written to her and were postmarked 1937! I'm sure they will be interesting reading, too.
 

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Oh hon, my heart goes out to you. It is so hard when they get to that point. When my grandmother had to go to a nursing home because of dementia she kept waiting for my grandfather to come pick her up and take her home. That's all she talked about for months. She didn't remember that he had passed away.

I don't think it is stealing at all, and I don't think she would look at it that way either. You are keeping things that are important to you, and they are a way of holding her close. I know if something should happen to me, I would rather my things go to someone who would treasure them rather than be sold at auction or a yard sale.
 

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We went through the same thing when DH's mom had to go into a nursing home. She also had dementia and had fallen several times, and could no longer live alone. We (DH & his sister) had to go through her house and keep or get rid of everything because it had to be sold to pay for her nursing home. We took pictures and kept what was important to us for sentimental reasons. We never felt like it was stealing, because if we didn't keep it, it woudl have just gone to strangers. We have all the pictures and things like that, and now that she's gone, they are good mementos of her.

I'm sorry you have to go through this. Its not an easy thing.
 

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I do intend to keep her pictures and photograph albums with me; things like that need to be saved. I don't know who some of the people are in some of her pictures. But I don't think they should be just thrown out. There is history there. We found some old letters that were written to her and were postmarked 1937! I'm sure they will be interesting reading, too.
If your aunt still has lucid moments, may I suggest taking those unidentified pictures to the nursing home and asking if she remembers who the people are? My favorite aunt (who was the family historian before me) had all the family pics, jewelry, and letters, some dating back to the 1870s. Many times over the years we sat down together and she would bring out the pics, tell me who she thought the unidentified people were, then put the pics away. I asked her every time to please write the names on the backs; she always said she'd get around to it. She passed away almost 2 years ago and, while I have quite a bit of the 'family treasure' and know who and where it came from, there are so many pictures that she didn't identify--it breaks my heart.

I'm glad your aunt's will is specific; it will save you a lot of trouble when the time comes.
 

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This is something that only you can answer........ I think you have every right to hold things in her best interest.
You don't have to give her money directly, as you have said she doesn't need money, but you can donate money to a foundation she supports or that supports her ailment......
 

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I am so sorry! But I don't think at all you are stealing its more preserving a memory, and I'm guessing your aunt would rather her things would go to use rather than just in the bin or in storage
 

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Originally Posted by -_aj_-

I am so sorry! But I don't think at all you are stealing its more preserving a memory, and I'm guessing your aunt would rather her thongs would go to use rather than just in the bin or in storage
I am really hoping you meant 'things' not "thongs"...........
 

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Originally Posted by cheylink

I am really hoping you meant 'things' not "thongs"...........
Dear me yes I did this damn phone and it trying to correct words I so miss the laptop

Going to edit now
 

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Originally Posted by libby74

If your aunt still has lucid moments, may I suggest taking those unidentified pictures to the nursing home and asking if she remembers who the people are? My favorite aunt (who was the family historian before me) had all the family pics, jewelry, and letters, some dating back to the 1870s. Many times over the years we sat down together and she would bring out the pics, tell me who she thought the unidentified people were, then put the pics away. I asked her every time to please write the names on the backs; she always said she'd get around to it. She passed away almost 2 years ago and, while I have quite a bit of the 'family treasure' and know who and where it came from, there are so many pictures that she didn't identify--it breaks my heart.

I'm glad your aunt's will is specific; it will save you a lot of trouble when the time comes.
Libby made a good suggestion here. My mom was our family historian and I have boxes and boxes of pictures. Mom told me who everyone was, but I wasn't paying attention at the time. Taking them to her would probably be good for her and for you. You never know what family stories you will hear once she sees some of them.
 
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