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Bugsy needs vibes.... Long

post #1 of 50
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Let me just say it is a fine, complicated balance to keep Bugsy's health in check...
Here is a little background about him: He is a purebred Ragdoll from a "Reputable Breeder" who closed down. I put it in between quotes because I do not believe she is a reputable breeder... As most of you noticed, Bugsy is all white, which is not the norm in Ragdolls... In essence, she messed with nature to create a new color that can not be shown, IMHO a "designer color".

Why do I bring his breeding up? Because a poor breeding is believed to having left him with a series of immune related issues: So far LPS Stomatitis, IBD, Food Allergies, Skin sensitivitis, and the latest, he just had a stress related UTI last month........ which brings me to today.

He was taken into the ER 2am Oct 10th for a very bad bladder inflammation - the boy was covered in blood, couldn't pee; it was really really scary... He was then put on a 7-day course of Clavamox and painkillers for a couple of days.

Since the day he started Clavamox, he also started having diarrhea....... and it never stopped. . I spoke to his vet and he wanted to put him immediately on metro and Amforol, I decided to hold it off since he had just been on antibiotics, and he said it would be ok to go on without medication, as long as he was ok otherwise (which he was) - all he would have was a sore bottom.
His butt got so bad it got raw... I mean really raw... Poor baby would cry going potty

Last Monday, November 8th I took him in to a new vet (unhappy with old vet, and the vet I really like was temporarily closed until this week). He was given a shot of Centrine, put on a course of 5 days of Metro, and given Centrine pills to be used as needed.

Except for Wednesday, when he had one episode of soft poop, he was good that week........ until today.... He has bad diarrhea again

I called the vet and we spoke in length about the possibilities...
He thinks this is really an IBD flare and we can try 3 different things. 1- Metro long term, 2x a day, eventually slowly taking him off of it... 2-Another similar antibiotic, with anti-inflammatory properties, given once a day (sorry, I had never heard of it before, and forgot the name), also long term, also tapering him off slowly after a while... or 3-prednisolone.
Given the fact that he already takes daily medication for stomatitis, on his opinion options 1 and 2 would have the least amount of risks and side effects if used long term. I chose option #2, as it has the lowest side effects, and it has to be given only once a day.

He said he expects him to be much better in a week or two, and if not we will have to go in for blood work. If something shows, x-rays and ultrasound.

Besides the diarrhea, Bugsy does not have a fever, is eating well, drinking, playing, and being completely his normal self. His bottom is back to normal too, thanks to Neo-predef and to mom' daily cleaning with cotton and warm water

Prior to this his IBD was always under control with diet and his LPS medication, which has an immune-mediator, probiotics and anti-inflammatory in it.

I am at a complete loss of what is going on, and I just want my boy to be alright...

On a good note my other vet reopened this week, and now there are two excellent hands to take care of him...
If you could please spare some vibes for my boy... I would really appreciate... I love him more than words can explain
post #2 of 50
Awww, poor Bugsy. I'm so glad he has you to care for and love him.
post #3 of 50
Oh, Carolina, you and Bugsy have all the vibes I can muster!

Poor baby!



Robin
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post #5 of 50
Awwww. Poor Bugsy. He is very lucky he has you to be so concerned and loving and careful with him. I'm glad his regular vet is back, and sending heaps of vibes to your baby.
post #6 of 50
I'm sorry to hear about this, and I agree that he's a very lucky cat to have you as his owner. Good luck to you.
post #7 of 50
Ah, I know he's your baby boy! Lots of for both of you!
post #8 of 50
Is the medication Tylan? Kody has "colitis" and has taken metronidazole numerous times--he has never had "full-blown" diarrhea--it is usually soft formed with blood and mucous at the end. Anyway, for the last 9 days--21 to go--he has been taking Tylan capsules. Every time he took the metronidazole he would be fine for a while, but it would always come back, so this last time he prescribed the Tylan saying it was safer for a long-term use. I had never heard of it before, but I have been looking it up and it sounds like it is often prescribed for colitis, IBD, IBS, etc....
post #9 of 50
As we say in this other Forum I belong to, good mojo on the way!

post #10 of 50
Lots of for Bugsy!
post #11 of 50
Lots of good, healthy coming for Bugsy. Hopefully you get everything back under control soon. Bugsy is such a doll.
post #12 of 50
Poor boy! Here are lots of vibes that you can get this issues under control:
post #13 of 50
Oh my, I am so sorry to read about Bugsy's problems. Carolina I somehow missed his trouble in October, how terrifying.

Bugsy

And some for you too

Carolina
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Originally Posted by otto View Post
Oh my, I am so sorry to read about Bugsy's problems. Carolina I somehow missed his trouble in October, how terrifying.

Bugsy

And some for you too

Carolina
It was terrifying... I was re-reading the thread now, and it made me want to cry... Don't want to go back there... Here it is in case you want to check what happened http://www.thecatsite.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=222084
post #15 of 50
Poor Bugsy - lots of that the new medication helps him.
post #16 of 50
Carolina, sending you and Bugsy lots of vibes.

I just wanted to clear something up with the white Ragdoll issue. Solid white Ragdolls are allowed here, and it is argued that there were solid kittens in the first Ragdoll litter. I am yet to judge a solid white Rag but have seen them here.
post #17 of 50
Get better Bugsy
post #18 of 50
Lots of good wishes going your way - my boy has a 'sensitive' tummy - not nearly in Bugsy's league, but enough that I'm always thrilled when I see 'good poo'. A couple of years ago he had a few weeks of very soft poo outside the box - looking back, I think his tummy didn't care for Hills CD wet in the fish flavor - anyhow, I also used Tylan powder (a mild antibiotic, as I understand it, often used for digestive issues in animals). Not sure if it was a combination of things, but since then, so far so good - every now and agan poo is a little softer, but no major issues.

But I know the feeling - you'd rather be sick yourself than see them hurting.
post #19 of 50
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Carolina, sending you and Bugsy lots of vibes.

I just wanted to clear something up with the white Ragdoll issue. Solid white Ragdolls are allowed here, and it is argued that there were solid kittens in the first Ragdoll litter. I am yet to judge a solid white Rag but have seen them here.
Thanks Sam... They are not allowed here... They can be registered, but not showed... It is my understanding they are somewhat a new thing (here). I saw a coupe of his littermates, and they were flamepoints. This could be a fluke, but he has just about every possible immune issue he could have... That's why I wonder about the breeding practices in achieving this color in this specific cattery...
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But I know the feeling - you'd rather be sick yourself than see them hurting.
Boy, that says it all.
post #21 of 50
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Lots of good wishes going your way - my boy has a 'sensitive' tummy - not nearly in Bugsy's league, but enough that I'm always thrilled when I see 'good poo'. A couple of years ago he had a few weeks of very soft poo outside the box - looking back, I think his tummy didn't care for Hills CD wet in the fish flavor - anyhow, I also used Tylan powder (a mild antibiotic, as I understand it, often used for digestive issues in animals). Not sure if it was a combination of things, but since then, so far so good - every now and agan poo is a little softer, but no major issues.

But I know the feeling - you'd rather be sick yourself than see them hurting.
Thanks Darlili... Yes, it is Tylan... Last week he took it for three days, and threw up for two of them... The vet thinks it is not due to Tylan, but I know it is... Bugsy doesn't throw up with anything... He is now on day 43 of diarrhea
Luckily he goes to the bathroom only once a day, so it is not too bad... He is completely normal otherwise, his appetite and behavior are in check, no fever, nothing out of the ordinary.
I called the vet, who told me to suspend Tylan for a few days and resume giving it after he felt better - so now he has been back on it for the past 3 days. I did not check his poop today, yesterday it was as liquid as a soft cream - like shampoo or something like that (sorry for the visual).
I am just praying to God that he holds on and doesn't throw up... Doing my best to give the meds with food too...
I was reading on Tylan's site, and it says in there that some cats do throw up in the beginning of the treatment, so my hope is that this side effect phases out - this seems to be a great antibiotic for it, and better than metronidazole, as I only need to give it once a day...
I see that there are many IBD parents that don't treat the cats and just deal with the diarrhea, but I really don't want to do that... It is not comfortable for him, and for some reason it just doesn't sound like a good option...
Well... I guess I will take one step at a time...
Please, if you can spare a vibe or two...
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Bugsy
post #23 of 50
OMG poor Bugsy, he's such a beautiful cat! I hope he's feeling better!
post #24 of 50
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So, today was his 5th consecutive day on Tylan, so far no throwing up... The vet said he should be much better in one or two weeks - God, I hope so... I see no significant improvement yet - I guess some, but not too much... don't know if it is wishful thinking... His poop went from completely liquid, explosive diarrhea (once a day) to soft pudding, also once a day. No where close to be formed yet... I guess I'll wait to day 10 and call the vet again for his thoughts depending on how he is.
His belly feels a little softer, so I guess it is good news...
His appetite was low for a little while and he lost some weight, but then I can also attribute the weight loss to removing the high calorie food from his diet (EVO/Origen, removed since his UTI).
I hope this works... It sure is slower than Metronidazole....
post #25 of 50
prayers and vibes to you and Bugsy! You're a good mama and many hugs are coming your way, sweetie!! :hu gs:
post #26 of 50
that the stuff works and his problem with loose bowels resolves. I've been checking out the various "urinary" foods we have here, and there're none without chicken, either.
post #27 of 50
I just caught this thread, Carolina. Poor Bugsy! I can't imagine having diarrhea that long, and with all his other problems too.

I hope you see improvement soon with the Tylan. At least he hasn't thrown up, so maybe it's a good sign that he's on the right track.

Sending good thoughts and vibes for poor Bugsy. And, you too.
post #28 of 50
Sending mega vibes for your sweet Bugsy. You are such a good cat mom, he could not be in better care.
post #29 of 50
Thanks for the update on Bugsy. I'm glad he's doing a little better. Improvement may be slow, but at least it's improvement.

Bugsy

and some for you too, to help you hold up!
Carolina

PS I just did some reading on Tylan. Apparently the results ARE slower, two weeks seems to be the duration before real improvement is seen, so Bugsy is improving as might be expected on this med.

And Tylan is often used long term to control IBD symptoms.
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prayers and vibes to you and Bugsy! You're a good mama and many hugs are coming your way, sweetie!!
Thank you

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that the stuff works and his problem with loose bowels resolves. I've been checking out the various "urinary" foods we have here, and there're none without chicken, either.
Thank you Yes, there is only one here, C/D fish, and he didn't do well at all on it... His new vet told me to not worry about a urinary diet for now unless he has another episode... Once his diarrhea gets better he told me to go ahead and start giving him the cranberry supplement again, so I will do that...

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I just caught this thread, Carolina. Poor Bugsy! I can't imagine having diarrhea that long, and with all his other problems too.

I hope you see improvement soon with the Tylan. At least he hasn't thrown up, so maybe it's a good sign that he's on the right track.

Sending good thoughts and vibes for poor Bugsy. And, you too.
Yeah, it is now 45 days... Long long time really.... Luckily he eats plenty of wet food and drinks a lot of water too. But it sure worries me, as this is completely out of the ordinary... I am praying that Tylan works...

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Originally Posted by farleyv View Post
Sending mega vibes for your sweet Bugsy. You are such a good cat mom, he could not be in better care.
Thank you ....

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Originally Posted by otto View Post
Thanks for the update on Bugsy. I'm glad he's doing a little better. Improvement may be slow, but at least it's improvement.

Bugsy

and some for you too, to help you hold up!
Carolina

PS I just did some reading on Tylan. Apparently the results ARE slower, two weeks seems to be the duration before real improvement is seen, so Bugsy is improving as might be expected on this med.

And Tylan is often used long term to control IBD symptoms.
Thank you otto... It makes me feel better... I am so used to Metronidazol' speed... But then this last time as soon as he went off of it, the symptoms were right back...
What I like about Tylan is that there is pretty much no side effects as far as his kidney and liver goes when used long term, which is not the case for metro (even though it has low side effects), and certainly not for prednisolone. If it works, it is considered really a wonder drug for IBD, especially on his case, who already takes daily meds for stomatitis.
He does seem to be more alert and have more spunk to him, yesterday and today he has been getting into everything around the house, probably a sign that he feels better... He has had diarrhea for so long, that it is hard to see the little changes on behavior - his behavior had sort of become "normal" to me. He was not lethargic or anything, but this last two days he has had extra energy, and It has definitely been noticeable...

I am just taking it day by day... I have a calendar on my fridge that I mark off the days he takes the meds and how he is doing - I do this every month so I can keep track of him for vet visit's purposes... Every check mark that he doesn't throw up is a victory... That is how I am taking it right now... One check mark at a time...
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