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I need some advice on what to do with my son. I'm at a loss and have no clue what else to do. I'll try to keep this so you can understand it without rambling on. lol

My son has never done "great" in school, has always struggled in one way or another. In second grade he was put on meds for ADHD, but I think the majority of the problem was that his teacher was new and just didn't know how to deal. He was only on the meds for 1.5 years and then we stopped and he hasn't been on them since. He is now in 6th grade in elementary school. None of his other teachers have complained about him being "hyper" or whatever. He sometimes has a hard time keeping focused, but the meds really didn't do much to help with that, which is the main reason we stopped them. But now he's labeled, kwim? I don't think he was ever truly ADHD though.

In either Kindergarten or 1st grade I had his school look at him for Aspergers. I'm still convinced he has it, even though they say he doesn't. He's gotten way worse since then. As I said, he has a hard time staying focused, but when it comes to Pokemon (which I know is a normal boy thing) and a couple other things, he can remain focused ALL day long...literally. His favorite thing to do is go in the backyard by himself and swing with his eyes closed. He'll do this for an hour or more at a time, and he says it helps calm him down. He also loves to spin in circles. His teacher this year has even made comments to us about how he can't just walk down the hall, he's always dancing or spinning...walking to the beat of his own drum, she said.

Anyway, back to my the reason for my post (I told you I'd ramble lol). Starting last year, and mostly so far this year, he's had a TERRIBLE time with homework. Last year (which wasn't NEARLY as bad as this year has been) after A LOT of work from us, he turned around and ended up with mostly all A's and B's after starting with mostly C's and D's. This year though, it's been a nightmare. He just refuses to take responsibility for his own work. He has yet to turn a large assignment in on time b/c he doesn't start working on it until the day before it's due. Even most of his small assignments (one math worksheet each night) get turned in late or he doesn't try and just writes down whatever to get it done and it comes back with a bad grade.

His teacher this year is trying to prepare them for middle school, so she won't send home a list of what homework is due when b/c she says they won't do that in middle school. While I understand where she is coming from and the thought behind it, I think if a child is struggling with that, then you need to be a bit flexible. Each child gets a "planner" and it is the child's responsibility to fill it out each day with the assignments they are to work on. The problem is that I have no idea if he is actually writing everything down, there is no due date for anything, and just b/c he writes it down doesn't mean he will actually do it. I'll ask him if he did something and if he says yes I tell him to show it to me, but how am I to know if what he shows me is actually what it is supposed to be? KWIM? For all I know he could just pull a random piece of work out of his folder.

This last weekend, I asked him about 50 times if he had any more homework to do (b/c the teacher insisted he would have more than just the math sheet every day unlike the previous years) and he kept telling me no. All that he had written down was "reading" and he had been reading a book. Well, on Monday night I ask him about 5 times if he had any homework and he said he got it all done. I finally got it out of him that he has a book report due on Thursday. That night he had been reading a book, so I asked him "Is the book report on that book you are reading now?" He said NO! We asked him what book it was supposed to be on, and he showed us, and he was only about 50 pages into a 300 page book. So, he had Monday night, Tuesday night, and part of Wed night to read 300 pages AND he still had to do the report on it. He knew about his for 3 weeks. On top of this he still has to do all of his other homework, work on a speech that he has to do next week, and his chores. This is not the first time he has done something like this. To top it off, he FORGOT his book at school last night. My husband finally lost it. I wanted to just say "fine, I guess you just get to turn it in late" but DH said that he's learned he can just lean on that, so we ended up driving across town to borrow the book from our niece.

I just don't know what to do. I feel like such a failure as a parent b/c I don't know how to fix it. Most of the problems he has with his homework have to do with reading/writing. We are in the process of getting him tested for a reading disability. In fact, he had his first set of "tests" yesterday. He shows a lot of signs for Dyslexia (I know, I sound like a crazy parent that wants to throw a bunch of labels on her kid to excuse their behavior, but he really does) like flipping letters, the text moves around on the page, among other things.

His teacher doesn't believe it though. For example, he is GREAT at math and science. His SAT scores were near perfect in those two categories. He's always had problems with the simple facts tests though...you know, where they have a sheet full of facts (13x7=?) and they have a certain amount of time to do as many as they can. Even though he *knows* them, he can never get more than 1/4 of the page done. Last year his teacher worked with him and let him do less than the full sheet and he did much better. This year his teacher refuses to budge and says he MUST be able to get them all done. I guess I just don't understand the importance of being so strict about it...I don't recall any time in my adulthood having to sit down and do that stupid sheets, so it doesn't seem like a real life skill. As long as they know the facts, that is what is important, and he does. He's better at math than I am.

I guess I'm just frustrated. Can anyone give me advice, tips, or any tools I can use to help him? There are just so many things going on with him, I don't know where to start. I guess my biggest fear is that if we don't turn it around now he will turn out like me. I was just like him, and I BARELY made it through high school, managed to get accepted to state college but only made it one semester b/c I didn't have the skills it took to be able to do it myself. I want better than that for him. I know he's still young, but I'm afraid that at this rate and his ability to just not give a sh** about anything, he'll end up on drugs and end up a complete dead beat.

We've tried any type of discipline we can think of, from taking everything away...he could care less and doesn't even try to earn things back, his bedroom now is just his bed and dresser, no toys; to making him just sit at the dining room table from the moment he gets home until he goes to bed...again he could care less. We don't know what else to do. Our friends and relatives have suggested having him copy the dictionary or write lines, but I don't think it will do any good and honestly he doesn't have time. He has no extracurricular activities, and he still barely has time to get everything done at night.

Sorry this post is long...I just need help. There is so much more I could tell you, but the post would be miles long. lol Thanks!!
 

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I can't offer advice on the parenting part. But get him reassessed for aspergers separately from the school. The DSM is getting ready to be changed again and that will be further enveloped into the general autism diagnosis - but that will mean some change in the diagnostic criteria.Though it's possible that he may only get a PDD-NOS type diagnosis now (again, that will end up enveloped into autism).
If you can get him an IEP it could really help.
 

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I was thinking tutoring too hun, might be worth looking into anyway. Not being a parent I can't really offer any advice, but I do hope that things improve. You are obviously an awesome parent and you CARE about your son's future and wellbeing. Sending vibes that you get to the bottom of his problems and that things get better.
 
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He has an IEP b/c he is deaf in one ear so he needs special accommodations in the classroom. The deaf and hard of hearing specialists in his district are wonderful. The funny thing is, I have been asking since the beginning of the year for them to test him for Dyslexia and kept getting ignored, and it wasn't until I brought it up to his DHH specialist that anything was done. I'm not sure anything can/will be changed on his IEP unless he has a "diagnosis" of some sort. Hopefully once we get this testing for a reading disability over with, if they find something...which I'm sure they will...we can move forward. Hopefully then, also, his teacher won't be such a b**** about him.

I wish we could get him retested outside of the school district, but we can't afford to. Hopefully once we move and are in a different district/state, they will consider testing him.
 

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Originally Posted by kara_leigh

I'm not sure anything can/will be changed on his IEP unless he has a "diagnosis" of some sort.
Because the school would get some funding and because of how they have to file it, yes he needs an official diagnosis.

If you truly suspect autism, have you looked into networks that help parents with getting a diagnosis? They may be able to tell you what you can do state wise to get it at a lower cost. Parents have a lot more options for their children than adult seeking a diagnosis does.

My school district didn't have anything for it back in the 80s, and truly nothing could have really been diagnosed back than anyways, but several teachers constantly told my parents to have me assessed for developmental delays and issues with me not socializing (if I was lucky I'd have one friend in grade school). They never did anything and I really struggled in some areas, teachers couldn't understand and would yell/call me names instead of helping. I would hate for your son to go through that as it will only get worse for him in high school.
 

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My dd would be like that if she wasn't treated properly (meds.) and had a strict structured environment. She also has Asperger's/ADHD and a mood disorder.

We had diagnostics done in Plano TX and a treatment plan developed. It has really helped. She is on the honor roll with minimal assist from us an is in 8th grade.

Good luck,

Cally
 
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Originally Posted by strange_wings

Because the school would get some funding and because of how they have to file it, yes he needs an official diagnosis.

If you truly suspect autism, have you looked into networks that help parents with getting a diagnosis? They may be able to tell you what you can do state wise to get it at a lower cost. Parents have a lot more options for their children than adult seeking a diagnosis does.
I'll have to look into that. Thanks!

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My school district didn't have anything for it back in the 80s, and truly nothing could have really been diagnosed back than anyways, but several teachers constantly told my parents to have me assessed for developmental delays and issues with me not socializing (if I was lucky I'd have one friend in grade school). They never did anything and I really struggled in some areas, teachers couldn't understand and would yell/call me names instead of helping. I would hate for your son to go through that as it will only get worse for him in high school.
What you describe sounds a LOT like my son. In his entire time at that school (he's been going there since 3y/o in preschool, so 8yrs) he has never had a real friend. He has NEVER been invited over to someone's house, and we've only had someone over here maybe a handful of times in all those years. I don't know how many times I've heard "We'll have to have Greyson over to our house next time" just to end up never hearing from them again. It's so sad to me, and I DO want to help him.
 
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Originally Posted by CatMom2Wires

My dd would be like that if she wasn't treated properly (meds.) and had a strict structured environment. She also has Asperger's/ADHD and a mood disorder.

We had diagnostics done in Plano TX and a treatment plan developed. It has really helped. She is on the honor roll with minimal assist from us an is in 8th grade.

Good luck,

Cally
You would think that the teachers, knowing that he has a "history" of being ADHD, would say something to us if they thought he would benefit from meds? They have all known that he isn't medicated. Why do you think (honestly) that he would be fine up until the past year or two and now suddenly struggle? Do you think it's b/c he's hitting puberty and his body chemistry is changing? I know you aren't a doctor, but do you think we should get him evaluated again and see about getting meds? Last time I just hated that the meds just made him a zombie but in turn did zilch for his ability to focus. That's why, between that and his teacher's lack of experience I just assumed the dx was wrong.
 

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I'm sorry your son has issues with friends... though, is he truly bothered by the lack of them? Some kids are mostly content with their interests that they do really enjoy their time to pursue those.

I did have some friends in grade school, and later in middle and HS. BUT they were always new kids that moved in and some had issues themselves. (and eventually moved away) I remember one girl very distinctly that had some sort of developmental delays and a speech impediment. I took her under my wing (so to speak) because the other kids tormented her relentlessly - far far worse than anything I ever had to put up with. She and I got along wonderfully, and she was very intelligent if anyone ever dared to actually take the time to talk to her. Other friends were either odd, kids ridiculed for being odd and not having much money, or just general social outcasts. Most of the friendships were just school friendships, though, and we never did anything outside of school.
...For the most part it never really bothered me much. I liked being left alone so I wasn't sad about it.


Originally Posted by kara_leigh

Last time I just hated that the meds just made him a zombie but in turn did zilch for his ability to focus.
That generally points to it not being the right med, dosage, or even needed at all. Kids that truly have ADHD tend to show improvement when medicated. So you had every right to question that diagnosis. Though to further make things more difficult, executive function can be poor in some individuals with a variety of other issues. So it could, on the surface, look like the ADHD lack of focus. (which is why you need to see a professional about this, preferably one with very good reviews from other parents)
And it could be puberty, it could be increasing difficulty in school work, it could also be increasing problems socially with other kids all building stress. Stress is hard for everyone to deal with.


Feel out some networks in your state. Hopefully you can find some sort of assistance.
 

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Originally Posted by kara_leigh

You would think that the teachers, knowing that he has a "history" of being ADHD, would say something to us if they thought he would benefit from meds? They have all known that he isn't medicated.
Teachers can't ask about or suggest medication for ADHD. If a parent volenteers that information, it's one thing, but they can't ask on their own... at least not around here.

I'm sorry that you're having so many difficulties with your son's teachers. I work at a high school and students who miss assignments are given a tracker. Everyday the teacher must write down the night's hw, upcoming tests or projects, and any missed assignments. I'm not sure why they are being so unaccomidating, especially at the 6th grade level.
 

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I agree with punishing through removal of privileges, but you say that he doesn't seem to care and that his room is now just a bed and dresser. I think that is extreme. Maybe he is acting out because of that?

Have you tried sitting down with him every single evening after dinner while he does his homework instead of leaving him on his own to do it?

Have you tried "grading" his homework yourself for effort? Gold sticky stars and rewards might be the way to go. Positive reinforcement for doing, instead of negative/taking away.

I also agree. Make an appointment with a psychiatrist, not through the school, and have your son properly assessed.
 

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I was the same way as a kid, my mom practically had to sit next to me, and even then I refused to do homework I just pretended to be doing something and zoned out in my thoughts. She was a teacher at the time so she already knew the curriculum and what work I had, and basically checked my work every few minutes and when I refused to read she read to me and made me summarize what I remembered, because otherwise I wouldn't even pay attention to what I heard. And usually it took her reading my textbook to me like 3 or 4 times before I was able to get the gist of it, not because I didn't understand or couldn't recall it but because I just didn't pay attention to any of it. Pathetic, I know!! She did sooo much work to get me to do my work up until 7th grade, otherwise I'd get D's but with her forcing me I got mostly A's, but in 7th grade I went to a school with drastically lower academic standards and I got all A's without putting any effort into it. It was basically- you go to class and turn in a paper with your name on it and you get an A. I mostly outgrew the issue of not caring about my grades, I started to care eventually but it didn't help me with the focus issues or self discipline, I still have practically none, but as long as I care and actually try I am able to do about average in college, and I am in my fourth year. I've never taken meds, I may benefit from it but I think it's too late by now, psychistrists ignore my concentration issues because they think if I was able to make it to college I must not need them.
 
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Originally Posted by Natalie_ca

I agree with punishing through removal of privileges, but you say that he doesn't seem to care and that his room is now just a bed and dresser. I think that is extreme. Maybe he is acting out because of that?
His bedroom has been like that for years. He has never been one to play in his room anyway. He has other mild discipline problems, and sending him to his room (mainly so we can have a time out) doesn't accomplish much if he can just go up there and have fun. Plus, he has a basement full of toys that he can go play with. Plus, we're trying to sell our house and we HAVE to keep all toys/etc out of it otherwise his room is destroyed. Don't try to make it out that I'm abusing my child b/c he doesn't have toys in his room...trust me, this kid's life is pretty kushy...probably too much.

Originally Posted by Natalie_ca

Have you tried sitting down with him every single evening after dinner while he does his homework instead of leaving him on his own to do it?
We already do this, but as I said, it only works with what we know. If he doesn't tell us he has something to do or doesn't write it down, we can sit with him all night long and again it won't accomplish much. He's also in 6th grade, he should be able to do his homework on his own. He sits at the kitchen table to do it, so he's always in eye shot, even if we aren't sitting directly next to him.

Originally Posted by Natalie_ca

Have you tried "grading" his homework yourself for effort? Gold sticky stars and rewards might be the way to go. Positive reinforcement for doing, instead of negative/taking away.
Tried that. Positive reinforcement works with him for about a week, tops. Then he goes right back to not caring, and we're back to square one. Like I said...we don't know what else to do. It seems like we've tried everything.
 
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Originally Posted by Rianna

Teachers can't ask about or suggest medication for ADHD. If a parent volenteers that information, it's one thing, but they can't ask on their own... at least not around here.
I don't mean ask about meds directly, but maybe suggest that he's having difficulties? I don't know. Other than barking at us that he's not doing his work we have received no feedback from his teacher.

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I'm sorry that you're having so many difficulties with your son's teachers. I work at a high school and students who miss assignments are given a tracker. Everyday the teacher must write down the night's hw, upcoming tests or projects, and any missed assignments. I'm not sure why they are being so unaccomidating, especially at the 6th grade level.
I WISH they did something like this. Last year his teacher would send home a list of what was due when, but this year his teacher refuses to do that b/c she's "preparing them for middle school".
 

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not a parent - but i AM an educator! if he's actually 'labeled' ADHD, you might be able to get some accomodations for him if you can get him under the special ed umbrella. this could solve the 'writing down homework' thing, because one of the accomodations could be for him to get a copy already written to staple into his planner.
is there a Scottish Rite hospital near you? they do excellent dyslexia testing - extremely thorough. the fact that he's good @ math & science but not at reading/LA is a sign that there could very well be some type of learning disability [dyslexia or other] involved. if he doesn't test out as dyslexic, you might investigate having the school test him for a non-specific learning disability [especially if you can't get him under special ed via the ADHD].
ADHD is NOT an official diagnosis for special ed services, but, at least in my state, a doctor can fill out some form & we can offer services under the OHI [other health impaired] diagnosis. i just got a new student - he's ADHD, on meds [which his teacher say have helped a lot] but didn't qualify as LD because his IQ was too low. however, he qualified as OHI, due to the ADHD.
worth a shot. you also might find that the meds help him more now than they used to - hormones naturally present during puberty can change our brain chemistry drastically.
BTW - if he was a zombie when previously medicated, then either his dosage was incorrect, or he needed a different med. there are several ADHD meds available now - besides Ritalin, there's Concerta, Adderall, Focalin, Desoxyn - plus there're probably some others. ADHD drugs are usually stimulants, but on children/people w/the disorder, they have the opposite effect. if i took them, it'd act on me like any stimulant [methamphetamine was actually one of the 1st drugs w/a positive effect on the disorder - basically, diet pills].
HTH!
 

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Originally Posted by kara_leigh

I WISH they did something like this. Last year his teacher would send home a list of what was due when, but this year his teacher refuses to do that b/c she's "preparing them for middle school".
Despite that he does have an ADHD diagnosis on record? He could get an IEP for that alone. The teacher being stubborn helps no one.


I honestly don't think you have a bad kid or one with major discipline problems. Hopefully no one has been suggesting that to you.
I think there's just some major communication and focus issues here. (again, seeking help to find out why is so important)

I do have some step siblings, two with ADHD - and one of those has borderline PD I think? They were difficult kids. Trying to get them to sit down with their homework was... painstaking. Their mother never sought appropriate help for them, instead completely blaming the school. Both did end up dropping out shortly after they were old enough to do so.
 
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Originally Posted by laureen227

not a parent - but i AM an educator! if he's actually 'labeled' ADHD, you might be able to get some accomodations for him if you can get him under the special ed umbrella. this could solve the 'writing down homework' thing, because one of the accomodations could be for him to get a copy already written to staple into his planner.....ADHD is NOT an official diagnosis for special ed services, but, at least in my state, a doctor can fill out some form & we can offer services under the OHI [other health impaired] diagnosis.
Originally Posted by strange_wings

Despite that he does have an ADHD diagnosis on record? He could get an IEP for that alone.
I'll have to ask the school about this. He is listed as ADHD on his school records as well as his IEP paperwork. The only "diagnosis" we had, though, was from his primary care physician. Is it possibly to add to or change an IEP between sessions? We are meeting to adjust his IEP in December, but I don't think we can wait that long.

Originally Posted by laureen227

is there a Scottish Rite hospital near you? they do excellent dyslexia testing - extremely thorough. the fact that he's good @ math & science but not at reading/LA is a sign that there could very well be some type of learning disability [dyslexia or other] involved. if he doesn't test out as dyslexic, you might investigate having the school test him for a non-specific learning disability [especially if you can't get him under special ed via the ADHD].
I don't think we have one of those hospitals near here. I've never heard of it. His SAT scores were actually the first red flag for me. He got all but one wrong in each math and science, but had almost the opposite results on reading and spelling. I was concerned that there was such a discrepancy, and brought it up to his teacher last year but she didn't seem worried. Then I started to notice that he was flipping some letters, and his spelling and handwriting are about the level of maybe a first grader? He only reads at a 3rd grade level, also. His district doesn't test specifically for Dyslexia, but they are currently testing him for a general "learning disability". Hopefully they figure something out.


Originally Posted by laureen227

you also might find that the meds help him more now than they used to - hormones naturally present during puberty can change our brain chemistry drastically.
BTW - if he was a zombie when previously medicated, then either his dosage was incorrect, or he needed a different med. there are several ADHD meds available now - besides Ritalin, there's Concerta, Adderall, Focalin, Desoxyn - plus there're probably some others. ADHD drugs are usually stimulants, but on children/people w/the disorder, they have the opposite effect. if i took them, it'd act on me like any stimulant [methamphetamine was actually one of the 1st drugs w/a positive effect on the disorder - basically, diet pills].
HTH!
He was on Ritalin before. I think I'll talk to DH tonight and see what he thinks about getting him back on meds just to see how/if they help. It can't hurt, I guess. If anything, they'll just turn him into a zombie again and he won't talk so much.
j/k (no seriously, this kid talks non stop)

Originally Posted by strange_wings

I honestly don't think you have a bad kid or one with major discipline problems. Hopefully no one has been suggesting that to you.
I think there's just some major communication and focus issues here. (again, seeking help to find out why is so important)
He's NOT a bad kid. He's a great kid. He's smart, funny, creative, gentle, kind, and more. Everyone always tells us what a great kid we have. I wish you guys could meet him, he's going to be a great person someday. I know for a FACT he's going to be a great dad (furry or otherwise lol). We just mostly have academic problems, and he's hitting the pre-teen attitude stage. lol

Originally Posted by strange_wings

I do have some step siblings, two with ADHD - and one of those has borderline PD I think? They were difficult kids. Trying to get them to sit down with their homework was... painstaking. Their mother never sought appropriate help for them, instead completely blaming the school. Both did end up dropping out shortly after they were old enough to do so.
Please don't think I'm blaming the school...but then again the school (at least his teacher this year) isn't completely innocent either. If we see these problems at home when he's allowed to be himself, how do they NOT at school when he's forced to sit in a chair and "behave" himself all day long?? KWIM?
 

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Originally Posted by kara_leigh

I'll have to ask the school about this. He is listed as ADHD on his school records as well as his IEP paperwork. The only "diagnosis" we had, though, was from his primary care physician. Is it possibly to add to or change an IEP between sessions? We are meeting to adjust his IEP in December, but I don't think we can wait that long.
yes. as a matter of fact, you should be able to request an ARD [that's what we call our meetings - stands for Admission, Review & Dismissal] at any time. your meetings may be called something else. below are some links that might be helpful.
special education law blog
special education law info
IDEA - Individuals with Disabilities Education Act
 
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