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post #1 of 25
11/3/10 at 5:43pm
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I'm curious to hear your thoughts on Former President George W. Bush admitting in his memoirs and telling Matt Lauer that Kanye West's criticism of his response to Hurricane Katrina was "the worst moment of (his) presidency"...

Really, Mr. President??

Hurricane Katrina itself?? No??

9/11?? No??

The Iraq & Afghanistan Wars???? NO?!?

Might I suggest Kanye West indirectly calling you a racist?!?!? Oh, of course!! Kanye ruined my life, too!!

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post #2 of 25
11/3/10 at 6:55pm
You give Bush too much credit IMHO the guy doesn't have enough brain cells (working brain cells, that is) to say anything close to smart... Nothing stupid he says shocks me the least bit. Totally expected.
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post #3 of 25
11/3/10 at 7:01pm
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LOL The only thing I give him credit for is screwing up every decision he ever made! lol At this point, I'm not REALLY surprised... Read my OP with a tone of complete sarcasm! LOL
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post #4 of 25
11/3/10 at 8:03pm
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Originally Posted by Malakai711 View Post
I'm curious to hear your thoughts on Former President George W. Bush admitting in his memoirs and telling Matt Lauer that Kanye West's criticism of his response to Hurricane Katrina was "the worst moment of (his) presidency"...

Really, Mr. President??

Hurricane Katrina itself?? No??

9/11?? No??

The Iraq & Afghanistan Wars???? NO?!?

Might I suggest Kanye West indirectly calling you a racist?!?!? Oh, of course!! Kanye ruined my life, too!!

So, are you saying that Bush was suppose to stop Hurricane Katrina? As far as I know, Mother Nature trumps any man serving in any government any day. And what could he do about 9/11?

Please clarify what your beef was about these instances so we can reply.
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post #5 of 25
11/3/10 at 8:34pm
I'm not surprised. When you look at Dubya, you have to keep in mind that it's Bush 2.0. It's a beta release. There's certain bugs in the software. He's the only president that could answer a question like a 17 year old girl: "Whatever". Even after 9/11 when he did a press conference or something with Tony Blair. Blair went up and said something like "This was a heinous incident, but our civilization will endure" and there's poor dubya sitting there going "jeez I can't even spell that". IMO, he isn't qualified enough to run a miss America pageant, let alone a country.
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post #6 of 25
11/4/10 at 4:16am
Neither is the current clown.
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post #7 of 25
11/4/10 at 4:24am
I hope those of you who are making these nasty comments about President Bush will remember them and be just as understanding when others make them about President Obama, whose press meeting yesterday was just about as cognizant of reality as some of Bush's statements after Katrina.

Kanye West accused the President of being a racist, a charge which can be very painful and which was definitely not true. And, should you like to compare facts, the federal government treated New Orleans in a way they have never done for such places as Nashville and Iowa, which suffered terrible floods this year, and which you've likely not heard much about.
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post #8 of 25
11/4/10 at 9:48am
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Originally Posted by mrblanche View Post
I hope those of you who are making these nasty comments about President Bush will remember them and be just as understanding when others make them about President Obama, whose press meeting yesterday was just about as cognizant of reality as some of Bush's statements after Katrina.

Kanye West accused the President of being a racist, a charge which can be very painful and which was definitely not true. And, should you like to compare facts, the federal government treated New Orleans in a way they have never done for such places as Nashville and Iowa, which suffered terrible floods this year, and which you've likely not heard much about.
No he didn't. What he said was "President Bush don't care about black people". To a politician, that could be racist, or it could simply mean that blacks are a voting block he didn't consider important.

I don't care for West's art or his attitude, but Bush is simply trying to cast the appearance of "victim" or "persecuted" on himself. He's still chasing that legacy.
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post #9 of 25
11/4/10 at 10:17am
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Originally Posted by calico2222 View Post
So, are you saying that Bush was suppose to stop Hurricane Katrina? As far as I know, Mother Nature trumps any man serving in any government any day. And what could he do about 9/11?

Please clarify what your beef was about these instances so we can reply.
No, I'm not saying that he could have stopped Hurricane Katrina... and I won't get into my theories regarding 9/11 because I'm not even referring to that...

What I find ridiculous is that, on 9/11, 3000+ Americans died... and of all the moments in my life that have occurred, that day was by far the worst I've experienced... yet, for the President of the United States, watching this happen was trumped by Kanye West calling him a racist?
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post #10 of 25
11/4/10 at 10:48am
Boy, talk about spin, innuendo and false interpretation.

Here's the real context:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/1..._n_777967.html

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MATT LAUER: About a week after the storm hit NBC aired a telethon asking for help for the victims of Katrina. We had celebrities coming in to ask for money. And I remember it vividly because I hosted it. And at one part of the evening I introduced Kanye West. Were you watching?
PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH: Nope.

MATT LAUER: You remember what he said?

PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH: Yes, I do. He called me a racist.

MATT LAUER: Well, what he said, "George Bush doesn't care about black people."

PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH: That's -- "he's a racist." And I didn't appreciate it then. I don't appreciate it now. It's one thing to say, "I don't appreciate the way he's handled his business." It's another thing to say, "This man's a racist." I resent it, it's not true, and it was one of the most disgusting moments in my Presidency.
And then there is this:

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...er=rss&emc=rss

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Kanye West Sorry for Pulling ‘Race Card’ on Bush
By PETER BAKER
Kanye West, the hip-hop star who accused George W. Bush of racism during the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, said that he now thinks he was too “quick to pull a race card†and can “connect with†the former president on a human level.

After the 2005 storm, Mr. West said that “George Bush doesn’t care about black people,†a remark that stung the president, who writes in his new memoir, “Decision Points,†that it was the lowest moment of his presidency.

Speaking with KBXX radio in Houston on Wednesday, Mr. West said he could now sympathize with how Mr. Bush felt about such an accusation because he too was excoriated as a bigot for interrupting Taylor Swift during her MTV award acceptance speech last year.

“I definitely can understand the way he feels to be accused of being a racist in any way because the same thing happened to me when I got accused of being racist,†Mr. West said. “With both situations, it was basically a lack of compassion that America saw in that situation. With him, it was a lack of compassion with him not rushing, you know, him not taking the time to rush down to New Orleans. With me, it was a lack of compassion of cutting someone off in their moment.â€
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post #11 of 25
11/4/10 at 10:59am
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Originally Posted by Dusty's Mom View Post
Boy, talk about spin, innuendo and false interpretation.

Here's the real context:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/1..._n_777967.html



And then there is this:

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...er=rss&emc=rss
I completely agree that Bush's interpretation of what was said is false!

As for West, I just didn't hear many accusations of him being racist over the Swift incident. Most of what I heard was that he's a drunken moron, and that works for any color.
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post #12 of 25
11/4/10 at 1:49pm
Soo funny I just ran across this! I just posted in my blog about it!

George W is a dumb...so is Kanye West. I honestly don't care for eithor of them. Enough said!! (This has nothing to do with my political persuasion...just my disdain for idiots be they presidents or rappers)
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post #13 of 25
11/4/10 at 1:53pm
Eh, the guy has a right to feel hurt over someone's words if he wants to - whether there was any misunderstanding there or not. I don't see why people need to make an issue of this.
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post #14 of 25
11/4/10 at 2:38pm
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Originally Posted by strange_wings View Post
Eh, the guy has a right to feel hurt over someone's words if he wants to - whether there was any misunderstanding there or not. I don't see why people need to make an issue of this.
I completely agree. But on the other side of the coin, people have a right to be offended to the point of being disgusted in him as a human being when they read that he was more bothered personally by being told he didn't care about black people than he was about watching economic ruin, soldiers die, buildings burn and collapse, New Orleans awash, and numerous other sufferings.
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post #15 of 25
11/4/10 at 2:44pm
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp View Post
I completely agree. But on the other side of the coin, people have a right to be offended to the point of being disgusted in him as a human being when they read that he was more bothered personally by being told he didn't care about black people than he was about watching economic ruin, soldiers die, buildings burn and collapse, New Orleans awash, and numerous other sufferings.
He has a habit of speaking a bit... too soon? I honestly think he kind of got ahead of himself there. Surely the other issues have bothered him, if asked he'd probably say as much.

(No Bush fan here, but ridiculous vilifying of him is rather pointless. Media always add some stupid spin on things and rarely reports anything near the truth.)
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post #16 of 25
11/4/10 at 2:50pm
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp View Post
No he didn't. What he said was "President Bush don't care about black people". To a politician, that could be racist, or it could simply mean that blacks are a voting block he didn't consider important.

I don't care for West's art or his attitude, but Bush is simply trying to cast the appearance of "victim" or "persecuted" on himself. He's still chasing that legacy.
Oh come on Mike, you and I both know that West meant that remark as a racist accusation, since the context was the discussion of Katrina. It had NOTHING to do with voting blocks. I'm not defending how Bush & Co. reacted to Katrina, but you and I both know that New Orleans consisted of whites and blacks during that tragedy, and Bush's handling of the crisis, while admittedly less than stellar, was not a result of racism. That idiot Mayor Ray Nagin was just as responsible for the death toll in N.O. as anyone, and he is black. I suppose that makes him a racist too, lol!
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post #17 of 25
11/4/10 at 3:51pm
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Originally Posted by strange_wings View Post
He has a habit of speaking a bit... too soon? I honestly think he kind of got ahead of himself there. Surely the other issues have bothered him, if asked he'd probably say as much.

(No Bush fan here, but ridiculous vilifying of him is rather pointless. Media always add some stupid spin on things and rarely reports anything near the truth.)
Except that this is misspeaking. This is in his book, after writing, writer's proofs, publisher's proofs, printer's proofs...

If it had been a snip at a public speaking event, I'd agree. But for it to get by everyone and end up in his book means one thing; that it is exactly what he meant to say.
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post #18 of 25
11/4/10 at 3:53pm
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp View Post
Except that this is misspeaking. This is in his book, after writing, writer's proofs, publisher's proofs, printer's proofs...
You read fairly often, correct? Have you not noticed the lack of editing anymore? Everything from poorly constructed thoughts to terrible grammar gets through. And who knows, maybe he had the same people writing his speeches helping out with this.

I have no doubt he meant to say it, but I do doubt the thought (or how much) behind it.
Be annoyed, call him an idiot if you wish, and move on to real life matters.
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post #19 of 25
11/4/10 at 3:54pm
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Originally Posted by Dusty's Mom View Post
Oh come on Mike, you and I both know that West meant that remark as a racist accusation, since the context was the discussion of Katrina. It had NOTHING to do with voting blocks. I'm not defending how Bush & Co. reacted to Katrina, but you and I both know that New Orleans consisted of whites and blacks during that tragedy, and Bush's handling of the crisis, while admittedly less than stellar, was not a result of racism. That idiot Mayor Ray Nagin was just as responsible for the death toll in N.O. as anyone, and he is black. I suppose that makes him a racist too, lol!
It was meant as racist because the context was the discussion of Katrina? So, everyone abandoned in Louisiana was black? It sure didn't look that way on the news coverage. Maybe the news crews were in all the wrong places?

The fact that Nagin is black adds credibility to the notion that West was thinking politically and not racially.
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post #20 of 25
11/4/10 at 6:04pm
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Originally Posted by Carolina View Post
You give Bush too much credit IMHO the guy doesn't have enough brain cells (working brain cells, that is) to say anything close to smart... Nothing stupid he says shocks me the least bit. Totally expected.
OMG! I couldn't agree more!

The Bush family gene pool is a waste of space IMHO!
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post #21 of 25
11/4/10 at 6:48pm
I'm just curious. What school of liberal thought teaches that calling your opponents names and denigrating their intelligence or mental stability is a valid debating method, or even a good idea? Because it's not a school; it's more like a kindergarten.

Folks, if you want to improve the political dialogue, then discuss and debate and make your points. Calling the other side names results in less productive discussion, not more.

If you're happy with the things that have been said in this thread about Mr. Bush, don't be surprised what you may hear and/or read about Mr. Obama.

But just for the record, George Bush has a degree from Yale (with better grades than Al Gore), and an advanced degree from Harvard. (And those records are available, something Mr. Obama has not done.) He's not stupid or ignorant. He has a lot of fans, and he has behaved like a true gentleman since he left office, something that can't be said for Al Gore, Jimmy Carter, or Bill Clinton.

I'm not one of those big fans, but I think that history is going to be much kinder to him than many think today. And I'm beginning to fear that history, while noting the historic nature of Mr. Obama's election, is going to be less kind than many might think today. Of course, it's still early in his tenure, so there's no way to judge, and it wouldn't be fair to even try, probably.
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post #22 of 25
11/4/10 at 7:23pm
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@ Mike - I'm glad you understood where I'm coming from... As an American, I'm offended by the one moment by which he chose to be offended... If it had just been said during an interview where he didnt have time to think of a better answer, I'd just chalk it up to Bush being Bush and not knowing what to say... but he wrote it in his memoirs which I'm assuming he took the time to think about and write on paper...

@ mrblanche - Did they teach him the word 'misunderestimated" in Yale?? I went to Hofstra and even I know that, that is not a word...
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post #23 of 25
11/5/10 at 4:31am
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Originally Posted by Malakai711 View Post
@ mrblanche - Did they teach him the word 'misunderestimated" in Yale?? I went to Hofstra and even I know that, that is not a word...
They probably taught him to be original in his use of language, much as President Obama was taught to be original in his use of geography (57 states?).

An interesting article on "Bushisms." It makes the point I've made many times: "You can make any public figure sound like a boob, if you record everything he says and set hundreds of hostile observers to combing the transcripts for disfluencies, malapropisms, word formation errors and examples of non-standard pronunciation or usage... Which of us could stand up to a similar level of linguistic scrutiny?"

--Linguist Mark Liberman of Language Log
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post #24 of 25
11/5/10 at 5:29am
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Notice how, despite the fact that I voted for Obama, I have not sat here and defended him... Why is it that when someone points out the negatives of one person, someone else feels the need to automatically attack another person that was never a topic of conversation?? I would never say that Obama is perfect... he's not...

case in point:




I wasn't even attacking the fall-out from every decision Bush ever made... and believe me, I can!

I was pointing out the fact that out of ~ 4,204,800 moments of his presidency... the one moment he could think of as being THE WORST was Kanye's statement... Give me a break... Sticks & Stones!! Yesterday, I watched a lady get hit by a van on 8th Avenue, that was a worse moment in my year than when some guy called me Fat a couple of weeks ago!

Do you guys understand where I'm coming from??
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post #25 of 25
11/14/10 at 8:49am
I think it may be that he said it was "the most disgusting moment" of his Presidency.

But, at any rate, I say a piece earlier this week putting that in some context. What many in New Orleans (and in the news media) did not know is that Bush had actually encouraged Louisiana officials to be much more aggessive in their preparation and evacuation, but the (Democratic) governor and the (Democratic) mayor of New Orleans both rebuffed him. Knowing that he had done all he could legally do before the disaster, and knowing that both those people were very slow in making the legally required request for federal help after the hurricane, I'm sure it was extremely annoying to be called a racist after the fact by someone who clearly is wound a little tight and on a short fuse.

On the other hand, didn't Bush say the best day of his Presidency was catching a big fish on his ranch in Texas?
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