Worried about Kitten- Peeing Alot, Drinking Alot, Plus Much More

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Hi!

I am new to the cat site but i think its an awesome and amazing place! I've already learned so much.I adopted, out of fate, a medium sized tabby Kitten that my good friend found on the streets on China Town in Toronto about 2 months ago. The vet assumed he was 4 months. So I think he is at least 6 months as of today. Probably 7 months. He was taken to the vets a few days after I got him.

The things I pointed out to her that were of concern:

He pants after playing excessively. But its almost like a happy kitten face panting, and he only does it for a few seconds.
- The vet said not to worry about it unless it got worse, and it hasn't. BUT i read in the forum that a panting kitty could be something more serious. could the vet have just blown it off?


-He used to sneeze about once a day, in the first few days i had him- he had a funny sneeze fit. But it was after he was drinking water and he may have gotten some up his nose.
-She said not to worry again.

I asked a bunch of questions and she told me there was nothing to be concerned about.

I was wary because she didn't really do a GREAT job at giving him a full check up and feeling around. She gave him a look over- checked his ears, etc. Said he had a healthy heart beat. So I went home feeling good, but it could have been more complete.

I have to go back (right about now) to get his 2nd round of vaccinations, then I am setting up an appointment to get him neutered asap. Im going to call a different vet clinic.


So: My Set Up Now is This;

He is being Fed Orijin dry food
Along with Merrick Wet Food ( I have the Beef, Chicken, Turkey varieties)
But I just mainly feed him the Cowboy Cookout beef variety to get him used to one of them 3x a day ( about 1 -2 cans depending on how much he wants)

He is a fully indoor apartment cat. He can lie on the window sill but he has a little toy bird toy to attack above him when he wants to kill :p

He has 1 litter box with a lid and the door taken off. He uses it regularly.

He naps. he plays, he does everything a normal kitty would do, and oh does he jump HIGH.
He seems to be in good health. I play with him for hours.

I fed him Whiskas Beef Pate for less than a week before I got the Orijin and Merrick, and I noticed around the end of the week that it gave him diarrhea.

I transitioned him onto the Merrick beef food, but he still hasn't had a really hard stool. Is this alright? Its not so much diarrhea anymore, but inbetween.?its been about a week an a half.


My concerns now:

1. A) COUGH:
Not so much of a concern because it hasn't happened again- was his strange hairball like, coughing fit. I was reading about asthma attacks and he was in a similar body position . crouched, tail / body down. it lasted for about 30 seconds. I was concerned for a while afterward but he acted completely normal, ate food, and it hasn't happened since.

1.B) NOSE GOOP
He gets some black , almost hair/stringy hard goop in his nose often.
Its not like he has a runny nose, but i will wake up in the morning and there will be a little fluff like hair sticking out of his nose, then i will Q-tip it with some warm water to get all the goop out and put some of my super organic olive oil lipchap on his dry nose to heal any soreness.

Whats the black hard stuff? IS this due to a URI or something else?

2.PEE
He has started spraying.

First in my bathtub. with these "clean my litter box" eyes- and i KNEW i had to- so i did. and he was pleased. BUT....
Then in his kitty basket with my old quilt in it.

Then he TRIED to do it in my bathroom sink,
followed by a secret surprise smell on my kitchen mat the next day.
and last night at 4 am after we hung out out all night-
HE PEED ON MY MIRROR? while looking at me.
weirdo.
i stopped that one before it got too messy.
and then i noticed the cardboard box i gifted him to play in was smelling funky.

( Ive already read about discipline etc. I do not use a spray bottle. I clap my hands really loud and shout NO. and then grab him by the scruff and hopes he stops. )

So my Question-
He Drinks ALLOT of water. He loves his big Cup I have out for him, and in the past week I put it out- he has been drinking more water than usual. (maybe 5-10 times a day, when hes eating and when hes not eating) and he gets really intrigued by the washroom sink. Today i cleaned it and filled it up with water and he just sat there drinking like a dog for a minute.

Also- He's been peeing in his litter box quite a bit- maybe from 4-8 times yesterday. but it was like he was marking his litter box because I just got new litter ( that he likes) and I've been keeping the box really really clean. He was spraying a little really high on the sides where i had piled litter at the back.


But I watched him pee with the lid off yesterday and it was a normal stream, and then spurty at the end. no blood. no straining to pee.

Could the litter box use be a sign of something like kidney disease? Am I crazy?

Is the spraying a marking his territory thing- or is it a "Im trying to tell you something mum" thing.

3. HORNY
I have such a sexually frustrated little man on my hands.
He loves this fleece blanket, and he starts pawing, then shaking his bum, then getting erect, then he bites, mounts, humps, humps, and the finale. ew? well, its actually pretty hilarious. He has not been neutered.
Last night i came home after seeing a friend with a female cat.
I came in and he MEW'ED forever. I changed my clothes, picked him up, fed him, and all i got was MEW MEW MEW>
I then realized the only thing he really wanted was to get all of his sexual frustration out. So I let him hump for hand covered blanket for 10 minutes until he was relieved, and after that the MEWs sufficed.
He has such a face and a look when hes horny, he will jump up on the couch and put his paws on my shoulder and MEOW! . then a little nip. then he runs away.

Is this anything to be worried about? i read allot of similiar storied in a cat forum somewhere else, so I think its just a matter of getting him neutered and seeing what happens afterwards.

4. I am driving myself crazy. Any advice or suggestions would be so helpful! Thanks for reading this ridiculously long post!
 

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Welcome to TCS and congratulations on your new kitty!

First thing that might help with the spraying, inappropriate peeing, and increased sex drive is to have him neutered ASAP!

The diarrhea/loose stool could be associated with the food, but he may also be teething. Have his adult canine teeth come in yet?
 

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Time to find a new vet and quicker the better...

One he may have a URI which needs treatment ASAP...

Two dry and wet fed cats USUALLY still drink... 2-4 oz would be considered "normal"

Three he should have been neutered 2-4 months ago so PLEASE schedule that Asap

Four he may have a UTI which also needs treatment ASAP.... Both URI and UTi can be Deadly
 

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Hello and welcome to TCS!

Just want to add that clapping your hands and yelling at him to stop peeing or spraying, regardless of where he is doing it, is not a good idea. Both are natural things for him to do, and you will only confuse him and make things worse.

I agree it sounds like he may have a UTI, along with hormonal spraying, and yes to the URI also.

Has he been tested for FeLV/FIV? If not that needs to be done also.

I agree another vet is the way to go, since you weren't satisfied with the thoroughness of this vet and apparently she didn't suggest the FeLV/FIV/Heartworm testing.

And was he treated for worms even?

Please keep us posted, and congratulations on your furry baby.
 
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You guys are all amazing! I didnt think i would get a reply this fast!

Can you guys tell me what treatments he would need for the UTi and URI - so that when I go to the vet I know they are giving me the right treatments.

(There are SO many different vets down here, and so many different opinions)

And How do they test for FeLV/FIV/Heartworm ?


The vet said I should have him neutered at 6months. I agree that ASAP is the way to go!

He IS teething, I think he may have even lost his bottom baby ones? He has 2 sets of top k-9 teeth though. ( Does this have anything do to with his pooping behavoir?)

Here is what vaccines he has had ( sorry i didn't include this before)

VET INVOICE:

Ova & Parasite (Giardia)

Recheck exam with vaccination

FCRCP Vaccine

ADVANTAGE MULTI 9


( He got 1 shot when he was there, and 1 treatment of advantage on the back of the neck)

His Poop was tested and was positive for roundworm.

So since its been a month now and I have gotten to know him and now that You guys are my Confirmation- I am going to call around and ask about vets and bring a poop sample and get this guy his second round of vaccines.

Is it safe to give them vaccines and have them neutered in the same vet trip??

Oh my sweet little Dennis grady- he thanks you very much!
 

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Uri s My holistic vet treats very different than most... Nose drops( with antibiotic), extra L lysine and chicken broth.... Most would give a antibiotic... as for a UTI ( sometime special food if crystals are found) and maybe a anti inflammatory
 

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Sounds like the vet used the Advantage multi for the roundworms, which is fine. He would need a couple of months of that in a row. If you didn't retreat him with that or Revolution, do so and at least make sure you have two months in a row to get all of the roundworms lifecyle. You also need to do some clean up to ensure that any carpet, litter, litter box, or cloth items don't have eggs left on them. All it takes is him stepping on a bit of his poop then walking around the house.


Roundworms were addressed, but was he ever given a dewormer for tapeworms? If he had fleas, and any outdoor cat not on a monthly flea topical will, then he has tapeworms. Fecals miss them because the tapeworm segments, when shed, are larger than the tiny sample they take from a cat.
They can cause loose stool in some cats.

Once parasite issues are dealt with you can try using probiotics for a bit to see if they help. Many former strays can have their intestinal flora a bit messed up. If a couple weeks of that doesn't help it may end up being food related.

Since he's having peeing issues and loose stool add another litter box or two. A lot of cats prefer separate boxes for that.

The FeLv/ FIV and heartworm tests are blood tests. They usually take 10-15 minutes.

Since he was a stray and has had signs on mild illness it's likely that he has a virus and his immune system has not been able to control it. If you can get him better be aware that the virus will never truly go away and can flare up in times of stress.

Panting and coughing is never normal. A vet should always address this. I suggest a second opinion on him and make sure his lungs and heart are ok before you neuter him. Plus, do not opt out of the pre anesthesia blood work.


Oh, and have you washed the quilt yet? Depending on the fabrics used, and the dyes, you may not be able to use an enzyme cleaner. I suggest seeing if you can find a textile/quilt forum and ask about that. Otherwise for washing it you have two choices: Tub wash by hand or use your washing machine. The latter requires that you do no let the washer agitate it at all - fill and add a dye/scent free gentle detergent, poke the quilt a bit by hand, soak for a couple hours, spin, refill - no detergent, poke/prod, spin again. Drying depends on the quilt. Using a dryer isn't best as it can tear threads... but I don't know if you can realistically lay a quilt out to dry this time of year.


(In case anyone is wondering... I have several old quilts. I've been able to use the soak and spin washer method with no trouble so far.)
 

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For both URIs and UTIs, most vets will give you an antibiotic or an antibiotic shot (Convenia). Personally, I'm not a fan of the Convenia shot as I don't like the way it makes my kitties so lethargic for about a week. They're like little zombies. Depending on the severity of the infection, the vet might prescribe an anti-inflammatory. For an URI, you might also get nasal or eye drops. For UTI, you might get special food if they find crystals in the urine.

I second the recommendation that you do Revolution or Advantage for about 3 months in a row. You can buy the vials of medication at the vet.

IF, and only IF, your kitty is perfectly healthy, there is no reason that he can't be neutered and have his shots in the same trip. I've done this several times when my kitty has had dental work. I just tell them to do shots, nails, ear treatments, and dental while under as it's less traumatic on the kitty. However, if your kitty has either an URI or UTI, then NO surgery yet and NO shots either.

To help with the spraying and inappropriate peeing, you might also want to get a Feliway diffuser if you don't already have one.
 
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Roundworms were addressed, but was he ever given a dewormer for tapeworms? If he had fleas, and any outdoor cat not on a monthly flea topical will, then he has tapeworms.

Once parasite issues are dealt with you can try using probiotics for a bit to see if they help.

The FeLv/ FIV and heartworm tests are blood tests. They usually take 10-15 minutes.


\tFor both URIs and UTIs, most vets will give you an antibiotic or an antibiotic shot (Convenia). ....

For an URI, you might also get nasal or eye drops. For UTI, you might get special food if they find crystals in the urine.

I second the recommendation that you do Revolution or Advantage for about 3 months in a row. You can buy the vials of medication at the vet.


Alllrighty! So Basically I want to get everybodys approval.

When I go to the vet:

I'll get 1 more treatment of advantage for the roundworms and fleas- then I will buy one to bring home for the next month- then he shouldnt need it anymore after that.

Then I should get him treated for tapeworms- CAN i do this at the same time as the advantage and as well as his 2nd vaccination (he should be getting his rabies included with this shot when i go in too)-What will/should he be treated with for the tapeworms?
-So can I do this all at once?

Then I will ask to get a FeLv/ FIV and heartworm (bood) test.

Then IF he has a URI he will get an antibiotic. But I shouldnt get the shot (Convenia) because I dont want a leghargic kitty,

If he has a URI, I might also get nasal or eye drops.

(Usually his eyes have no goop and look clear and alert. Today he had a litttle goop in the corner of one eye that i wiped out)


For UTI, you might get special food if they find crystals in the urine.

He has been sneezing a few times today though so im concerned about his nasal cavaties.

Does anybody know what the strange black nose goop is? it comes and goes but sometimes its like a little furry black hard goop is sticking out of his nostril.



\tURI's My holistic vet treats very different than most... Nose drops( with antibiotic), extra L lysine and chicken broth.... Most would give a antibiotic... as for a UTI ( sometime special food if crystals are found) and maybe a anti inflammatory


If he does have a small case of URI and the vet doesnt think its too serious could I treat him with L lysine and chicken broth and nose drops (- if he needs them) ?? Instead of using antibiotics?

ALSO big question- IS COLLODIAL SILVER SAFE./HELPFUL FOR URI's?



And then fif he has a UTi he will be given a special food---

BUT if he does have a bad case of either then he may get an anti -inflamitory (for both the URi or UTi)

Should I bring in a Urine Sample?


WHEW! I am making an appt. tomorrow at a vet clinic very very close to my house ( I thought i did well when i did my research and went to the place that was FURTHER from me, but Im hoping that this vet is more thorough- Any tips on getting the vet to do a better job? Im only 21 so I think that she wasnt taking me as seriously as she would an older person. )

HAPPY HALLOWEEN EVERYBODY!
 

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Ask when you make the appointment what they want you to bring.

You asked if you could vaccinate him? No, not until he is over his current illness. Vaccinations are for healthy cats, not sick ones. To do so puts the cat at risk for getting sicker.

The black stuff is boogers, simply put. Either he's fighting off a low grade URI or has some sort of allergy bothering him. The vet can help determine this.

Re: flea topicals. Advantage Multi or Revolution, regular Advantage is just for fleas. Yes, you can put one on him at the vet and buy another tube or box (3 tubes). Once you have a regular vet that's seen your cat you can usually just go in without your cat and pick up more if you need to.
Tapeworm deworming is usually done with a shot or with drontal or droncit. The later two are usually given as little yellow pills. I prefer not to deworm the same day as multiple other things are done because there is some possibility of drontal causing vomiting and vacs/antibiotic shots can make cats lethargic. If you tell your vet this they will often give you the proper dosage to take home and give in a couple days. (Less common, but possible, is drug interactions between the dewormer and some medications - always ask your vet to make sure there isn't any in case they may not have checked.)

Colloidal silver is for wounds? Why would you use it for a respiratory infection? Treatment for that is done with shots or oral medications..

Treatment for his current illness is something you must discuss with the vet.

If you want your vet to take you seriously ask questions. Make them answer you. Show that you are interested in providing the best care that you can and that you want to know the details instead of just nodding and agreeing with whatever they say (the latter gets you discredited by many people because they'll think you don't understand). Research, know proper terms.
 

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Ask the vet if holistic minded about the eyedrop, broth , lysine route and collidal silver... I would ask any vet about the lysine as can help but is not likely to hurt... If the vet says anitbiotic use all of it ...

Uti - Does not always = special food ... often they have crystals which most vets will precribe special food for a short time to permanantly

When you call the vet to set appt , Ask about the sample ( some prefer to get a "clean catch sample " themselves ..

You could print off the thread
and go over each part you wrote with some of the suggestions ... Great way to open communication and find out if this vet if more willing to listen
 

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Originally Posted by mynameismilla

Alllrighty! So Basically I want to get everybodys approval.

When I go to the vet:

I'll get 1 more treatment of advantage for the roundworms and fleas- then I will buy one to bring home for the next month- then he shouldnt need it anymore after that.

Then I should get him treated for tapeworms- CAN i do this at the same time as the advantage and as well as his 2nd vaccination (he should be getting his rabies included with this shot when i go in too)-What will/should he be treated with for the tapeworms?
-So can I do this all at once?
Tapeworm medicine is droncit or drontal. Since he is on the advantage multi he does not need drontal, which is broad spectrum He should need only droncit, for tapeworm.

Yes he can have the droncit while on the advantage multi.

Then I will ask to get a FeLv/ FIV and heartworm (bood) test.

Then IF he has a URI he will get an antibiotic. But I shouldnt get the shot (Convenia) because I dont want a leghargic kitty,

If he has a URI, I might also get nasal or eye drops.

(Usually his eyes have no goop and look clear and alert. Today he had a litttle goop in the corner of one eye that i wiped out)


For UTI, you might get special food if they find crystals in the urine.

He has been sneezing a few times today though so im concerned about his nasal cavaties.

Does anybody know what the strange black nose goop is? it comes and goes but sometimes its like a little furry black hard goop is sticking out of his nostril.
It is probably just discharge that has dried up. If he has a runny nose and is poking around and playing, dust can get mixed into the mucus and dry dark. Leave his nose crusty, and any goop in the eyes on the day of the appointment so the vet can see what you mean.


If he does have a small case of URI and the vet doesnt think its too serious could I treat him with L lysine and chicken broth and nose drops (- if he needs them) ?? Instead of using antibiotics?


URI mean upper respiratory infection. If it is a bacterial infection, antibiotics are necessary. Viral can go into bacterial so most vets will give an antibiotic if the infection has been going on too long or seems severe. L-lysine is good for both viral and bacterial as an immune booster. L-lysine also controls the herpes virus, which is viral.

ALSO big question- IS COLLODIAL SILVER SAFE./HELPFUL FOR URI's?
I don't have any experience with collodial silver, but my opinion is that anything that claims to cure everything is to be viewed with caution and a modicum of skepticism.

And then fif he has a UTi he will be given a special food---
No, a UTI is a Urinary Tract Infection, treated with antibiotics. Special food is necessary is crystals are found in his urine. Most vets do a UA first, to check for bacteria and antibiotic is prescribed. If the UTI keeps coming back deeper testing is needed, and a urine sample is sent to a lab for a culture. The culture will tell if there are crystals and what type, and can determine the best antibiotic to fight any bacteria found.

BUT if he does have a bad case of either then he may get an anti -inflamitory (for both the URi or UTi)
I don't know. My vet prescribes antibiotics for a UTI or a URI. If kitty has a bad UTI she might prescribe a couple doses of pain medicine such as buprenex. The only safe ant-inflammatory for cats is steroids, and that will weaken the immune system so you don't want steroids (such as prednisone) if he has an infection.

Do not accept metacam, it is not safe for cats.

Should I bring in a Urine Sample?[/color]
Better to bring him in with a full bladder, most vets take urine straight from the bladder now. It's called Cystocentesis. Put him in his carrier an hour before the appointment.


WHEW! I am making an appt. tomorrow at a vet clinic very very close to my house ( I thought i did well when i did my research and went to the place that was FURTHER from me, but Im hoping that this vet is more thorough- Any tips on getting the vet to do a better job? Im only 21 so I think that she wasnt taking me as seriously as she would an older person. )
Make a list of all your questions and requests and bring it with you. Leave space between each item write down answers.

This way you don't forget anything, and writing down the answers 1)helps you process and 2) gives you a reference sheet for later

You're doing great!
 

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You're doing wonderfully! Otto did a great job answering everything, so just take your list of questions in with you and you should do great. I once emailed a list of questions from work to my husband who was taking our kitty in. I even left space for him to write the answers so all he had to do was print the email and fill in the blanks!
 
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HE sprayed on my couch last night.
Standing beside me.
He always does it when im in the room,
So I need to go buy some NOKOUT I suppose..

HOW do I clean the pillow? I can take the pillow case off ( ITs dark blue- Will NoKOUT take any colour out?) and wash it, but the pillow itsself is very smelly.


He has had a little cough in the past 24 hrs. like a small, sneezy cough thats really quiet.

Im looking into pet insurance...do you think it would be worth it?

AND Feilway- SHould I get the spray or the wall diffuser considering I only have 1 kitty and he sprays in weird places.

THANKS GUYS!
 
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SO Question-

The only way anybody will know if he has a URI is just by inspecting him. ( visually) ( no bloodwork/testing can be done)

The only way anybody will know if he has a UTI is by getting the Urine sample done- There is no other way to know??

I really dont want to spend $100 on a urine analysis - if its just a spraying/hormonal problem.

Details- AS of this weel He pees maybe 6 times a day, poops once a day.Considering he drinks alot of water- the amount of times he pees kind of makes sense. He doesnt strain when he pees.I watched him with the lid off, he squatted, peed( it bubbled) and then for the last 4 seconds kind of squirted the rest out. No pain that I could see. No blood. Light yellow/clear in colour.



I really do think he needs antibiotics for his URI. and I do think he has a URI

Considering his nose goop . ( constantly coming back when i remove it)
Considering his weird cough he gets twice a day. & he pants after excersize.

So the question I have-

CAN I AVOID GETTING A URINE TEST DONE. AND WHEN I GO IN - IF THEY AGREE HE HAS A URI. WILL AN ANTIBIOTIC BE ABLE TO TREAT BOTH THE URI AND UTI AT THE SAME TIME?

this is a super important question! it would be really awesome if that would work. but maybe im crazy. !thanks guys
 
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and now i get humped.....


any suggestions on weather i should let him hump and get his frustrations out...
(hes biting my hand right now so tightly! and humphumphumping )

...or stop him in the act so he doesnt think he can hump everything that mooves when he gets older?
 
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Originally Posted by sharky

He needs to be neutered ASAP

some info you may want on heartworm testing and heartworm prevalance in your area
http://www.ovma.org/pet_owners/cats/...m_in_cats.html

http://baycitiesanimalhospital.ca/cu...ason_2010.html
Clinical signs may include coughing, trouble breathing, lack of energy, nosebleeds, collapse and sudden death as well as more general signs including vomiting, weight loss, and neurological abnormalities (head tilt, blindness, seizures)

He only had coughing and its combined with nose goop. non of the other signs are there. BuT I will be getting a Felv / fiv/ heartworm blood test when i go.

Main Question THough-
CAN I AVOID GETTING A URINE TEST DONE. AND WHEN I GO IN - IF THEY AGREE HE HAS A URI. WILL AN ANTIBIOTIC BE ABLE TO TREAT BOTH THE URI AND UTI AT THE SAME TIME?

or does he need a certain kind of antibiotic for each problem. ?
 

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A urinalysis shouldn't cost $100. Here it's around $39 - there it might be $50.
And to be safe, yes you do need one done. What if it's not a UTI? An antibiotic will not get rid of crystals.

If you are dealing with two infections... It depends on the vet. Some use the same antibiotics as a first line treatment (amoxicillin or clavamox), others have stronger antibiotics they prefer.
 
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ALLLRIGHT!

I have an appointment for this WED. at a Cat specialist vet clinic.

The woman I spoke with said that we will wait and see if he needs the Urine test. - And that I can do it at home after the appt. with some plastic litter stuff( Cost= $55 at this palce)

I'll get a blood test done for Felv and FIv and Heartworm while im there.

And she will check everything out. She said that if he has a Uri and Uti I can treat them both with one antibiotic but we have to wait and see whats up.

Thanks for all of the advice guys, you made it really easy for me to know whats going on and whats normal/ not normal.

I will post an update after he comes home from the vet!
 
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