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I need some help with Harvey please

post #1 of 17
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Hi all, for those of you who don't know Harvey I acquired when we moved into this house a few months ago, his lovely previous owner basicaly dumped him. He's a big boy, 1 year old and we had him fixed in august, this had complications as one of his testicles hadn't dropped so he had quite a big op, he's fully recovered now and a beautiful boy. His main problem is his aggression, his previous owner used to hit him, she has admitted this to me as she wanted him to be a "tough" cat (what a **** she is). When we first got him he was terrible and fought with anybody and anything, attacked me every time I went to fuss him but over time he calmed down and we introduced him to our 5 kitties, one boy and 4 girls, all has been going ok until we went away on 20th sept, we got back on 26th.
Harvey is just well worse than he ever has been now, he is chasing all the cats, especially the girls, he calmed down for a bit last week but its just got totally out of control tonight. He has chased all the girls today and then tonight he cornered my gorgeous Billy and they had a full on fight, I had to prize them apart and fur was flying everywhere. I didn't get mad, I just firmly said "Harvey" repeatedly and then seperated them, then I tried to stroke Harvey and calm him down and he attacked me, quite badly and he's really hurt my arm. I can't get near him now at all, since we got back from hols I cannot fuss him, he just attacks me all the time, its like he is evil, he is a different cat. I am upset and also at my wits end, please I need some help.Hubby told me he has to go and I do not want this at all xx
post #2 of 17
Ruth i think you need to try and get him to the vet he miht be lashing out because there could be something wrong with him. Did you manage to get and feliway to try that? maybe try reintroducing Harvey to the other cats may help.

Keep an eye on any cuts he gave you also!
post #3 of 17
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Originally Posted by -_aj_- View Post
Ruth i think you need to try and get him to the vet he miht be lashing out because there could be something wrong with him. Did you manage to get and feliway to try that? maybe try reintroducing Harvey to the other cats may help.

Keep an eye on any cuts he gave you also!
He went for his full check when we got him and all was ok and also had another check and bloods when we had him fixed and all was ok, the vet realised that he was an aggressive cat but didn't say much, made a joke out of it really but it isn't a joke. He's really hurt Billy and me. I have tried feliway and it hasn't helped at all, theres been no change. I don't know if its because we went away? I am going to rin the vets in the morning, also someone suggested rescue remedy I will try that. Its just so frustratin as I can't even stroke him now, he just bites and scratches. I came back from shopping earlier and he looked so pleased to see me and was lovely then the next ,minute he turns its weird.x
post #4 of 17
if the vet is jokin about something like that change vets hun!!

he miht be biting scratchin because he might be hurt, he could of hurt himself while you were away and hes protecting himself
post #5 of 17
I am sorry for all the distress this is causing you. We have a cat who is aggressive to the others but not nearly that bad. We use Feliway and that works somewhat for her. Sometimes we just have to separate her from the other cats for a bit and that calms her down. I was bitten in the middle of a fight in May and it got infected pretty fast and I had to be on 2 antibiotics.

It is terrible when people mistreat their animals. The poor little guy should have been loved and protected by his owner and not beaten.

This is pretty interesting:

http://www.vet.cornell.edu/fhc/broch...ggression.html

Hope it helps.
post #6 of 17
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Originally Posted by -_aj_- View Post
if the vet is jokin about something like that change vets hun!!

he miht be biting scratchin because he might be hurt, he could of hurt himself while you were away and hes protecting himself
Good point, I will get him in at the vets tomorrow, will ring them first thing. He didn't joke as such was just like "oh I take it this boy has to be seperated from the others and then LOL" yep funny to him but not when you have to live with it.I got the feliway diffuser from pets at home when you told me about it and it really has had some strange adverse effect on Fudge who is my nervous cat, she is so much friendlier, so it has worked I think with her x
post #7 of 17
Such a sad situation all the way around. I don't have any advice, but would like to wish you the best in resolving the problem. It sounds like you are trying to do your best for all concerned, and bless you for that.
post #8 of 17
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Originally Posted by Britt0285 View Post
I am sorry for all the distress this is causing you. We have a cat who is aggressive to the others but not nearly that bad. We use Feliway and that works somewhat for her. Sometimes we just have to separate her from the other cats for a bit and that calms her down. I was bitten in the middle of a fight in May and it got infected pretty fast and I had to be on 2 antibiotics.

It is terrible when people mistreat their animals. The poor little guy should have been loved and protected by his owner and not beaten.

This is pretty interesting:

http://www.vet.cornell.edu/fhc/broch...ggression.html

Hope it helps.
Thankyou, this is a very interesting article. x
post #9 of 17
Ruthy, it's a good article, but when it comes to separating them during a fight, forget the water bottle. Get a blanket, and throw it over one of them. Personally, given Harvey's history, I'd throw it over the other cat. But you have to avoid being attacked, because it's just dangerous for you!

I definitely would get him to a vet - and maybe a different one for a second opinion about his health.

In the meantime, is there a room where you can keep him separate? It seems everyone needs a bit of a break, and at the very least, it also seems he's going to need to be reintroduced, and very slowly.

I'd give it a few days, and then start with positive-association scent swapping, starting with just Billy's scent. Of course, don't rub Harvey down with any rags until you're sure he won't be aggressive. It may have to wait until he's at the vet, and make sure to remember to bring rags with you so he can be wiped down with at least .... six or seven rags. One for each kitty (to put treats down on Harvey scented rags), and you can use those under their food dishes (if you give them individual meals), and if you free feed, you need the five rags, plus however many free feeding dishes you have out.



Hang in there sweetie. I know you're under pressure from DH, but do explain that if you two had a child that was challenged in some way, you wouldn't put your baby up for adoption. The kids learn from you, and pets are for life. If you try to find Harvey a new home, it most likely means his death. Is that the lesson he wants your children to learn? That you can just kill your problems if they're non-people related?
post #10 of 17
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Originally Posted by LDG View Post
Ruthy, it's a good article, but when it comes to separating them during a fight, forget the water bottle. Get a blanket, and throw it over one of them. Personally, given Harvey's history, I'd throw it over the other cat. But you have to avoid being attacked, because it's just dangerous for you!

I definitely would get him to a vet - and maybe a different one for a second opinion about his health.

In the meantime, is there a room where you can keep him separate? It seems everyone needs a bit of a break, and at the very least, it also seems he's going to need to be reintroduced, and very slowly.

I'd give it a few days, and then start with positive-association scent swapping, starting with just Billy's scent. Of course, don't rub Harvey down with any rags until you're sure he won't be aggressive. It may have to wait until he's at the vet, and make sure to remember to bring rags with you so he can be wiped down with at least .... six or seven rags. One for each kitty (to put treats down on Harvey scented rags), and you can use those under their food dishes (if you give them individual meals), and if you free feed, you need the five rags, plus however many free feeding dishes you have out.



Hang in there sweetie. I know you're under pressure from DH, but do explain that if you two had a child that was challenged in some way, you wouldn't put your baby up for adoption. The kids learn from you, and pets are for life. If you try to find Harvey a new home, it most likely means his death. Is that the lesson he wants your children to learn? That you can just kill your problems if they're non-people related?
Thankyou so much, that is fabolous advice, there is no way ever I would get rid of Harvey, I know he wouldn't survive with anyone else and I love him to bits, he's fast asleep at the mo at the top of the stairs all cute and all, I know whe he wakes thouh it starts. The past 2 nights he's been waking us up at about 3am chasing the other cats, Smartie is terrified of him. When we first got him I had a spare room as my son was sharing with my daughters until his room was done and now it is I have nowhere I can seperate them.I really feel for him as he's had a crap life so far but he's only a baby and I want to improve his life. I feel like us going away has totally thrown his progress and I feel quite guilty, he did improve for a few days but now he has just gone worse than he was when we first got him. I repeat he will not be going anywhere-my cat-my probem and I will deal with this. He has his good moments and earlier on this morning he was asleep with Billy on my bed so I don't know whats going on. Thanks again for your advice. I will ring the vets tomorrow for certain, my mum is helping me too, she is a great cat lover and I agree, I ahve 3 kids and I would not give up on one of my kids andI will not do this with Harvey.
How do I try and pet him though and what do I do if he attacks me? I want to praise his good behaviour but he will not have it. x
post #11 of 17
Im at a loss, i know i ignore smooch when he attacks me (which is getting rarer)

but i think im inclined to agree jump a coupke of steps back with him to reintroduce and speak to a vet.

I really hope you can get him calm again
post #12 of 17
Can he be kept in one of the kids' rooms? Witihout the stimulation of the other cats, and if the child in the room he's in ignores him..... ???? A large bathroom? Just throwing ideas out there. And I know you won't give up on him, you've made that clear. I was just trying to help with ideas for helping hubby.

If there is no way to separate him, I'd focus on loving on and reassuring the other kitties. Praise Harvey frequently when he's awake and NOT attacking the other kitties, but otherwise ignore him. Praise him as frequently as possible, but do NOT try to pet him. And just talk to him. Tell him how much he's loved, and how safe he is, and how committed you are to him... and tell him you just need him to express whatever it is he's trying to communicate more appropriately - and whip out a wand toy. When he plays with it, praise him to high heaven. Emphasize the positives when they happen.

When he's being bad, ignore him. Focus on reassuring the other kitties. If you need to break up a fight, do so, but use the blanket, not your hands.

For now, make his loving verbal, and try to help him focus his aggression on play, not the other cats. I'd talk to the kids about the situation, and get everyone involved, so the message being sent is not mixed.

post #13 of 17
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Hi all, been a good day today, I rung the vets this morning and spoke to a different vet from who did Harveys castration, I explained his behaviour and he basically offered me very similar advice to all of you and he thought LDGs idea of the blanket was fantastic. He wants me to basically give it a go and if no improvement by monday then I have to take him in. He does think its purely behavioural and he said that Harvey could also be not happy that we left him, especially if his previous owner used to do this reguarly. He doesn't think he is ill but he said if this does continue after a couple of days after following the advice and techniques then he will do bloods and a urine test to rule out anything.
Well I have tried really hard all day and have used the blanket technique once ad so far it has been a good day, no major fighting, just slight growling at times and I even managed to pick him up and have a cuddle (well for 40 seconds...but its a start) Ok, could just be a coincidence or Harvey was feeling in a good mood today, we will see. I have been praising his ood behaviour and just being firm with my voice and a "no" when he has been naughty and he has walked away. Gosh I really hope this is a sign things will improve. I'm going shopping tomorrow and I will get some rescue remedy, haven't been today as I am totally broke till tomorrow when DH gets paid.
Thanks again for your advice, I will keep you updated.xx
post #14 of 17
Hope it's not just a one day thing!
post #15 of 17
thats great hun, im glad there is progress over night and today
post #16 of 17
That is good news!
post #17 of 17
Our cat Soxy does not come in the house, but stays outside in our backyard, where he is perfectly content. Soxy appeared one day, fixed, and we liked him. But it turned out that Soxy is very unpredictable and will bite and scratch. DH thinks he was abused. I never touch him, I still like him, but I cannot live with a cat inside that will attack. We've taken care of him for years now and he is very happy and never strays from our backyard.
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