I' driven insane by my cat, he takes care of his business on my clothes

Well, we told you on the other thread about neutering your cats... We told you they would pee and spray and mark their territory... That is what intact cats do... But you do not want to neuter them... so they will continue to do that... There is not much you can do to fix this situation if you don't neuter them... Sorry to tell you this, but.... This is hormonal... This is why they do the deep meow, this is why they pee and spray, and this is why they will continue to do it...
And it is not their fault - they have no control over it.

I agree. Also peeing outside of the box can be a signal of a serious health problem.

Un neutered cats spray, it's what they do... Cat's don't miss their 'parts' it's humans that have emotional attatchments to their... parts. The longer he goes un neutered, the greater the chance that he will never stop even if you get him neutered. My boys were over their surgery by the next day at most, but usually when I get them home they act like nothing happened at all. They just beg for food & go zipping around the house like usual. And it seems to mellow them out, tom cats are bad about having mood swings because of the hormones.

I hope you will reconsider neutering him, it would make your & his life easier. He is spraying because he wants a mate, that has to be so frustrating for him. All he is thinking is "I gotta mate, I gotta mate."

Nothing else will stop him from spraying, and truthfully neutering may not but it worked every time for me.

I hope this doesn't come across as bossy, its just in you & your cats best intrest.

I have the foreboding sense that OP's cats will be two more shelter statistics.

I guess you have to choose which is more important to you: a steadfast belief that male cats remain intact or that you walk out the door each morning wearing clothes that aren't drench in cat pee.

It's what tomcats do . If you wish to keep intact toms, it's something you've chosen.

Well, here is the question: is he neutered? Because you said on your other thread your 2 yr old isn't either. So... same thing... the 6month old is doing the deep meowing, the 2 yr old is peeing all over the place. You just wait until the 6 month old start to pee all over the place too... Because as we all said, that's what they do. Intact cats do that... You said on the other thread that we are being selfish by taking away their organs because of their behaviors... Well... there it is... You now need to deal with this behavior to the life of this cat, and it will only get worse with age and with the aging of your second kitten...

it does sound like marking behaviour but have you had him to a vet to rule out any problems he may have

maybe if you dont just drop your clothes on the floor it would stop him doing it also

Actually, it is stress-related. It comforts them to pee over our scent. Years ago, I had one kitty who had been dropped down into a storm drain during a storm. He was rescued and brought to me. For days and days, he used to pee all over my laundry, on my bed, on my shoes. I set up a schedule with him- food and water always at the same time every day. Litter changed on schedule- interactive play time with Da Bird at certain times a day, bedtime the same time. It took two weeks before he finally relaxed- it also took tons and tons of Urine-off to get the pee smell out of everything. If you don't remove the odor-with enzymes, they will return every time to the same spot about every three days and "refresh" it.

I have to say that having an intact male will make this issue so much worse. Letting a tomcat outside is asking for an increase in the kitten population as he will be mating with any queen he happens to meet. i'm not sure why guys identify so personally with tomcats being neutered. It just doesn't make sense. Keeping your tom all your life you will have spray issues- and trust me, they can get their pee on your ceiling if they want. As they grow, they get aggressive, they are a candidate for a nasty cancer testicular cancer. You are actually adding more stress to your life and shortening his by leaving him intact. Your other cat's stress could be from smelling this tomcat pee and that could be setting him on edge.

I would rethink your idea about caring for these cats. You are really asking for a world of problems leaving cats intact. You are not an ethical breeder- most breeders leave their toms in a separate housing unit. Some, keep them in spacious cages. I am talking ethical breeders-those who breed selectively because they love the breed and wish to keep it alive.

You are just a cat owner that lets his tomcat outside to mate-you also stand a chance of losing this boy because he is intact.Have you ever seen two toms fight during kitten season? They go airborn and I mean high. They don't stop until one isn't moving.

In addition to everything that's already been said reference intact cats, I'll add that cats aren't actually capable of revenge; conceptually, it's simply beyond their abilities.

To pee in spite, revenge or anger, a cat must first be angry about an act, then attribute the cause of that act to you, then recognize that his peeing outside his litterbox is something that would cause you the same anger he's feeling.

This kind of reasoning just isn't possible for cats.

As Hissy mentioned, however, peeing in places he could potentially find comforting (your clothes) is a classic reaction to stress.

Guys, you are all realizing that not only the kitten, but BOTH her cats are intact toms, right? The one from the other thread with the deep meow, and this one - both are intact.
Juuuuust checking....

Yeah i know Carolina but it doesnt mean that there might not be something else wrong with the poor cat

And on that I agree

Look, I have only one thing to say, get your cats neutered! It will happen more frequently and more often. I know it's not the same, but, my two girls are fixed and they were fixed very young and don't even care. They are happy and don't mind at all. The younger you get them fixed, the happier and such they will be. As Hissy said, yes it may be stress but of course he is not fixed. Do ask your vet as well, I'm sure he or she will tell you to fix your cats! The sooner you do it, the better. You say in the other thread that your other cat has mated many times, this will become crazy and out of control. Queens will come to your house very frequently, wanting to see your toms. I beg you, please fix your cats!

Jackz, Jazzy & Ginga.

He may be stressed by having another maturing tomcat in the house. . .

Generally, if an intact tom is peeing on stuff, it's because he's intact, and tomcats spray, it's what they do. The most likely explanation--horses not zebras. But it could be a urinary tract infection. . .and I've been told that toms block more often than neuters. So a vet visit would be a good idea. You never know.

See, that's my thinking...

I get what your saying i agree it more than likely is him asserting his domminance, but if we keep jumping on this member by saying it is all because he is an intact cat then this cat might not get the vet help he needs

I'm sorry, but I have no sympathy for the OP but I have deep sympathy for her cats. If they exist. She could just be a troll. In that case, I think all her threads and subsequent threads should be closed. She's just stirring the pot, and it's not fair to us people who are wasting our time when we could be helping someone who really is open minded enough and caring enough to want to do the right thing for their cats, but hasn't been educated enough.

If she's not willing to get them fixed - which is a pretty routine surgery for a pet owner - and she lets them roam and impregnate other cats, then why should we expect she will bring in her cats for other routine care?

Not trying to be inflammatory or rude, I'm just stating it as I see it.

And by continuing to let her cats out to mate, she is onfly enforcing all of these bad behaviors and they will continue to get WORSE!

I agree 100%, and was also thinking troll.

and if its not a troll, and there is a guenuine problem with this cat other than the fact its not fixed....i think we have driven another new member away again

In case the OP is still reading, I know this fact was not put in the last thread of hers.

1 cat and her offspring = 177,000 cats in only 7 years. Do the math. A cat on average lives 13 years. Does she really want to be responsible for that many possible lives brought into this world because she doesn't want to fix one of her male cats let alone both? Starving, dying of disease, being run over by cars and euthanized in shelters because there are not enough homes for all these cats??? And then the inbreeding. Rarr...

Im sorry but i get that everyone is stating everything about how mny unwanted cats there is and all that but that does not mean that this cat may very well need to go to the vet

i do not undstand why there has been 3 or 4 of us said its possible that this could be more than just him being an intact tom!!!! it is not fair on the OP to keep going like this

Awww... you're sweet. You're really looking out for these kitties. I agree they should be seen by a vet. That was stated in the other thread as well, so it's not like it has not been said that she should bring her cats to the vet. Unfortunately, none of us have a solution for the problems of her cat, unless she goes to the vet. And as I said, I don't think she's going to. (This is partly why I think she is a troll because she is not responding to any of the questions about bringing the cats to the vet to get them checked out, as if she cared about their welfare, rather than them inconveniencing her. If she really wanted answers - besides fixing them - she would word it in such a matter - and ask questions about what kind of tests to run.) But as I said, "If she's not willing to get them fixed - which is a pretty routine surgery for a pet owner - and she lets them roam and impregnate other cats, then why should we expect she will bring in her cats for other routine care?" like getting her cat checked out for more serious ailments? I don't think she takes being a cat owner seriously. She sounds more like someone who likes the idea of a cat. The majesty of a cat. Until they start peeing everywhere.

But I digress. We can't magically tell over the internet what is wrong with the cat, or if I have misinterpreted the affection or commitment she has for these creatures, and if it's just because they're not fixed or a health reason. Bloodwork and urinalysis may show up some causes of spraying or that may show reasons why they would be more likely to spray, but they may not. The only thing we can repeatedly and vehemently stand behind is that she 1.) needs to have both of her toms checked by the vet; and 2.) fixed, if she wants to guarantee that they won't do behavioral spraying that is not connected to a health problem. 3.) If it's because of a UTI, this will only exacerbate matters that they are not fixed, because they'll just spray more than usual. Which brings us back to 1.) She needs to have both of her toms checked out by the vet.

Hun i fully understand where you are coming from i really do i just want to see whats best for the cats..... both of them! Even if she just phones the vet and describe whats happenin you know

I agree completely!

Hopefully if she's still reading, she can tell that we just really really care about her cats and want what's best done for them.