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post #1 of 22
Thread Starter 
Kobe Bryant, one of the "good guys" of basketball, was indicted on sexual assault charges. He was charged with a 3rd degree felony, which can carry a life sentence. At his press conference he said that he did commit adultery, but did not rape this woman and that he is innocent of these charges. Obviously, we haven't seen any of the evidence that the DA has.

What do you think about all of this?
post #2 of 22
If he did rape her then he should go to jail,if it was just sex,he has to answer to his wife and God.If you are going to do the crime do the time!
post #3 of 22
The thing I found strange was when this first happened, he denied everything, and then when the DA decided to prosecute because of evidence, he now admits he commited adultery. That smells fishy to me.
What I really hate is how bad they are trying to make the victim out to be - we have not heard her side of the story and everybody is already on her back about how she just wants money from him. Kobe can afford a high priced lawyer.
I do believe in innocent until proven guilty, but the DA would not prosecute unless he had specific evidence, and they took their time to find the evidence - which means they looked at it very carefully and made their decision based on the evidence.
post #4 of 22
I do not follow basketball, or know much about the players, but this guy has always had such a squeaky clean reputation. I think it was consensual, then when she wanted something more from him, and he said no, she cried rape. Even the police have referred to her as an "attention seeking basketball groupie." I have heard girls talk about trying to snag a pro athelete. Some of them even have fertility monitors to see if it is a good time to get pregnant when they try to hook up with some guy, just so they can get a huge amount of child support. I think she probably had sex with him, then wanted him to leave his wife or something, and he said no. If she did not intend to have sex with him, why was she in his room, in his bed? Her bimbo friends are not very convincing when they say her character is "perfect."
post #5 of 22
Isn't it sad though that our "squeaky clean" hero athlete chose to commit adultry (even if nothing else happened)? Whatever happened to the heroes of old?
post #6 of 22
Thread Starter 
Honestly? I don't think the general public has any idea what these guys do when they leave the court. Since this came out, the whole basketball groupie thing has really come to light, and how many women are throwing themselves at these guys' feet. It's like the rock groupies of old. I'm not saying that all the players feel the need to partake in what is offered, but I would be willing to bet that many of them do. I always said that if you marry a rock star and actually think that he will stay 100% faithful to you when he's on the road for months on end you're an idiot. I'm seeing now that professional atheletes, especially baseball, basketball and hockey (I would imagine just because of their schedules and time away from home), are in the same category.

About the girl - I haven't read a whole lot except that her character is being called into question. On one hand, it doesn't matter what she's done in the past or how much she's talked it up with her friends - if she said NO that should be it! On the other, thinking back to when I was 19, had one of the famous men that I was attracted to approached me.....I can't see myself back then saying no. Having to "prove" it to my friends who can't beleive it? Maybe.
post #7 of 22
Face it, these kids usually come from nothing and all of a sudden, obscene amounts of money are being thrown at them, not mention women, drugs and all kinds of goodies. WHAT 19-year-old knows how to handle that?

I'm not excusing his behavior (be it rape OR adultery) but, one can see WHY a kid would start to think that he can get away with anything.
post #8 of 22
I follow basketball to the extreme. Kobe Bryant is one of the smartest, sharpest, polite, and well mannered men in basketball. Yep, he committed adultery, he admitted it. Yep, adultery is wrong. How many other people in this world commit adultery or do wrong things? A LOT. We've all done wrong things at some point in our life. Maybe not as bad as adultery, but it was wrong.

As for this girl. I think it's a shame, and I do not believe he committed rape. I think she wanted to have sex with him. This girl is very unstable. One of her best friends recently passed away and she almost overdosed on pills, and got sent to a hospital. As far as evidence. I believe the only real evidence they could find is HIM on video tape FORCING sex upon her. Seeing as she was in HIS room, and HIS bed, and he admitted to having "mutual" sex with her.

One question I pose is... why on eart would a man like Kobe Bryant, who is filthy rich, actually pretty handsome, extremely athletic, and wanted by millions of girls world wide risk jail and losing everything by raping this ONE girl. What most people fail to realize is that if this girl says no, there are 10,000,000 other girls out there that will say yes.

I have lost quite a bit of respect for him for committing adultery. It isn't at all surprising though. There are far too many people out there that do it, famous or not.
post #9 of 22
Originally posted by Cassandra_Starr

One question I pose is... why on eart would a man like Kobe Bryant, who is filthy rich, actually pretty handsome, extremely athletic, and wanted by millions of girls world wide risk jail and losing everything by raping this ONE girl. What most people fail to realize is that if this girl says no, there are 10,000,000 other girls out there that will say yes.

Part of me agrees w/ this Cassandra, but another part of me says, what if he just has an 'illness'? There are some men ( and women too ) who even though it appears they have everything they could ever want, in reality they get a thrill out of forcing someone else in a physical matter. This could be the case here, perhaps not the likely situation, but definitly a possibility.
post #10 of 22
Ever since O.J. Simpson, prosecutors are very thorough in their investigations, before charging a celebrity. Obviously, they have evidence that has not been made public.

DNA can prove that he had sex with her but, there has to be other evidence of force: bruising, tearing of tissues, bite marks, etc.
post #11 of 22
Originally posted by Kiwideus
I do believe in innocent until proven guilty, but the DA would not prosecute unless he had specific evidence, and they took their time to find the evidence - which means they looked at it very carefully and made their decision based on the evidence.
DAs have to worry about reelection, and what better way to get publicity and show how tough you are than a high-profile case involving a celebrity? IMO, this is one of those, "Let's wait and see the evidence" cases. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't.
post #12 of 22
It is very confusing. I was very disappointed in Kobe, but I don't believe he raped this girl. One of the reasons is his past behavior. The guys on his team say that when they are on the road, he stays at the hotel and when he is in Los Angeles, he is always with his wife. He had a squeaky clean reputation and I don't think it is by accident.

I also agree with Cassandra, Kobe is a good looking, very rich young man. He does not have to look for women, women come to him.
post #13 of 22
I cannot form an opinion without being privy to the evidence.

But as for celebrities committing rape, especially sports celebrities - that is nothing new. Look at Mike Tyson! We treat our sports figures as though they are superhuman, and can do no wrong. Is it any wonder they develop an attitude of entitlement? How long does it take before some athletes with bad judgement, drunk with power, get so used to women throwing themselves at them that they assume any woman they want is theirs to take, and don't accept "No" as an answer?
post #14 of 22
From a Sports Illustrated writer on cnnsi.com:

Disturbing behavior
Coddled existence can skew an athlete's perspective
Phil Taylor
Some years ago I was in the locker room of a professional sports team the night it won the championship. The champagne and beer had been flowing for a while when I began talking with one of the players in a small side area just off the main locker room. One of the team's female staff members stepped between us and gave the player a friendly, congratulatory hug and peck on the cheek. "That's all the kiss I get?" the player said. "That's not a kiss."

He pulled her toward him and tried to kiss her on the lips, but she resisted, leaning her head away. "C'mon now," she said, trying to break free. She was laughing at first, but her smile faded when he kept his muscular arms wrapped around her. "Stop it. Really. Stop it!" she said. Only the three of us were in the narrow area, and just as I was about to intervene, one of the player's teammates walked by and saw what was going on. He stepped in and with just a couple of words persuaded the player to let go of the woman, who hurriedly left the locker room.

It doesn't take a crystal ball to envision what might have happened if that incident had taken place somewhere private instead of in an area where there were dozens of other people nearby. It might very well have ended the way a 19-year-old Colorado woman alleges her encounter with Lakers star Kobe Bryant ended several weeks ago -- with a famous, powerful man mistaking a woman's friendliness for desire and forcing himself on her.

I don't know if that's what happened between Bryant and that young woman in the hotel room. The two of them are probably the only ones who will ever truly know whether it was sexual assault, as she says, or consensual sex, as he says. But I do know that all too often this is how it happens with sports figures and women. Bryant wouldn't be the first athlete who was unable or unwilling to recognize the difference between warmth and lust displayed by a member of the opposite sex.

Any number of reasons can explain that, but one of the primary ones is that despite their glamorous lifestyle, professional athletes are, in a sense, very sheltered people. An NBA, NFL or Major League Baseball player doesn't always interact with women, in particular, in ways as varied as other men do. It's oversimplifying only a little bit to say that in the minds of many male pro athletes, there are two kinds of women: the ones who want to sleep with them and the ones who want to sleep with them, but don't know it yet.

Consider the range of women with which a typical millionaire athlete interacts. There are groupies and other adoring females whom they see at the player exit after games, or in the hotel lobby, or in restaurants and nightclubs. There are the women who serve them in one capacity or another, as masseuses, personal assistants, publicists. There are female members of the media who, no matter how professionally they carry themselves, are in the locker room when the players are in various states of undress. All of these women want something, in one way or another, from the athlete. Like most of the men in the athlete's life, they all have reason to want a positive relationship with him.

It's not hard, then, to see how the athlete begins to think that all men want to be like him and all women want to be with him. This in no way excuses the athlete who has his way with a woman by force, but it does help explain how an athlete can have such a terrible lapse in judgment. Bryant, for example, has probably never dealt with a female supervisor or had a woman as a co-worker. Other than his mother and sisters, there probably have been precious few women in Bryant's life since he turned pro seven years ago who were even indifferent to his presence. If Bryant did do what his accuser says he did, it was probably because he thought she was one of the women who wanted him but didn't know it yet.

But no matter what happened that night, Kobe Bryant is not going to jail. With the exception of Mike Tyson, sports celebrities just don't get locked up for their sexual indiscretions. Think Marv Albert and Mark Chmura -- both scandalized, neither incarcerated. If new reports that Bryant's accuser overdosed on pills not long before the incident occurred are true, his defense attorneys will be able to paint her as unstable, and at that point, it's game over. The Memphis Grizzlies have a better chance of winning the NBA title than the Eagle County district attorney has of winning this case.

But that doesn't mean Bryant's life will return to normal. Like most pro athletes, his life hasn't been anything approaching normal for quite some time. That's the problem.

I think it outlines clearly, like Heidi said, we really don't know what they get up to off court. Also, it was reported today that Kobe bought his wife a $4million ring.
post #15 of 22
What an insightful article.
post #16 of 22
With a $4M ring on her finger, think she might forgive her man of his indiscretions?
post #17 of 22
Oh who wouldnt?

post #18 of 22
Kobe Bryant must REALLY have a guilty conscience. I just heard, on the morning news, that he has bought his wife a $4 million, 8-carat PURPLE diamond ring. A PURPLE diamond?! Almost makes me wish that Bill would cheat on me. Of course, if Bill has $4 million, I'd like to know where it is.
post #19 of 22
Yah, I was talking to Craig about that ring. Purplei s my favorite color.

Unfortunately no amount of money can restore faith and trust after your s/o cheats, and it would take a lot more than any material possession to *earn* my forgiveness.

I think Kobe had sex with this girl, but I don't think he raped her. It has been reported that she was at a PARTY with fellow college students and was speaking of and describing Kobe's anatomy to these people. Hello?? Since when do "rape" victims brag about the person they got raped by? There were 5 people who heard her say it, and there are many more people that she goes to school with that are saying she is unstable and has psychological issues.

I don't think he raped her at all. That right there pretty much put it in the bag for me. This girl has issues.
post #20 of 22
From espn.com

911 call made a day before Kobe turned himself in
Associated Press

NEWPORT BEACH, Calif. -- Kobe Bryant called 911 the day before he surrendered to authorities on a sexual assault accusation and medics later treated a female at his home, officials said Friday.

The Los Angeles Lakers' star hung up the phone without talking, but a dispatcher called back, speaking to three people, including Bryant, before sending police and paramedics, Newport Beach Police Lt. Tom Gazsi told the Los Angeles Times.

"The need for medical assistance was for someone other than Mr. Bryant. It was evident that no crime occurred and no police assistance was needed," Gazsi told the newspaper in Saturday's edition.

Bryant made the call the day before he returned to Colorado to surrender to authorities after being accused of sexually assaulting a woman at an exclusive spa. He is free on $25,000 bail.

Shortly after he called 911, medics treated a female at the house but did not need to take her to the hospital, said Vickie Cleary, emergency services manager for the Newport Beach Fire Department.

No further details were immediately available, and it was unclear whether the medics treated a woman or child. Bryant and his wife, Vanessa, had a baby girl in January.

Paramedics were summoned to the house for a similar medical emergency on March 5, Cleary said. During that call, paramedics took a female to the hospital after evaluating and treating her at the home.

The March 5 call also involved a medical issue that did not involve criminal conduct, Gazsi said to the Times.
post #21 of 22
I think the media has gone way to far in this case, and needs to be gagged. Is it relevant to hear that the accuser may or may not have tried to commit suicide in the past? Equally, is it relevant to learn that Kobe bought his wife a big ring after he was accused or that paramedics were brought to his house the day before he turned himself in? In these cases, the media reports are simply casting doubt on the character of Kobe and his accuser. All that is in question is what happened that night, and whether any sexual activity that took place was consentual or not. Personally, when I hear on the news that a report on the Kobe Bryant case is coming up, I change the channel.
post #22 of 22
me too! I am sick of hearing about it!
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