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Originally Posted by Primula

Then why do you have him inside? He's making this noise (and it will get much worse) because he wants to have sex! So let him out and see how long he will survive on the streets trying to impregnate every female cat he sees!

Originally Posted by Sherry526

And, please know that Primula is being sarcastic - don't let your cat outside for godssake. Primula and I posted in another thread about passing along animals, and how our particular neighborhoods in Hartford CT and York PA have a bad stray cat problem.

This is why we sound frustrated at you - please educate yourself about why it is imperative you neuter your cat. Religion is one thing, but your reasons are not based in fact. Please educate yourself to the FACTS on why you need to neuter your cat.

You do him a disservice with your lack of knowledge. Beside the obvious stray problem, and him mourning for sex, you expose him to testicular cancer and other problems.

Maybe you won't change your mind, but at least be intelligent and open minded enough to look at another point of view besides your own. You may find you are well meaning but very misguided.

Originally Posted by Carolina

Here is what he is saying: PLEEEEAAAAAASSSEEEEE LET ME OUT OF HEEEEEERRREEEEE I NEEEEEDDDD TO GET LAAAAAAIDDDD!

There is your answer
You think your cat is happy by being locked up with all those hormones? No, he is as frustrated as he can be. He is literally suffering. That is what he is telling you.
Is it a solution letting him out to satisfy his urges? Dangerous - he will probably get beat up, and can also get exposed to diseases such as FIV (Feline AIDS), FeLV (Feline leukemia), and others.
Besides that, you'll be contributing to a HUGE overpopulation problem... And his "fix" would be only temporary.
The only solution for your problem is really fixing your cat. There is no magic to it.

Originally Posted by otto

Yes, that is what he is saying, however I want to point out to the OP that this desire is biological in nature, NOT mental.

His body has a biological drive to procreate. It has nothing to do with "feelings", it's purely hormonal.

I feel sorry for your cats. They must really be suffering being kept in, and not able to answer the hormonal drive.

Neutering is not only the responsible thing to do, it is better for their health, both physical and mental.

We don't want you letting them out to make more unwanted kittens (and fighting and picking up who knows what kind of diseases) but it is cruel to keep them in an intact state.

It's cruel.

Originally Posted by AddieBee

Mum of two - if you are still here....

Please understand a couple of things:

1 - That The Cat Site is a pro spay/neuter site, unless the cat is owned by a reputable, high quality breeder and the animal is being used to improve a breed or blood line. Even then, after the "stud" services are no longer needed and the kitty is "retired", he is fixed.

2- that members here really CARE about cats. And what people are telling you is true re: health, state of "mind" etc. I have SEVEN male cats in my care. They are all pound rescues. They were all altered - shelter rules! They do not miss their boy parts. They are well adjusted, happy, healthy, funny, loving, playful, sweet, goofy boys!! And I them.

If you don't believe us, do some independent research.

Also - OT here - please don't give your cats cows milk. Generally speaking, cats are lactose intolerant and have a very difficult time digesting milk.

Originally Posted by Willowy

He will keep howling until he's neutered or he gets out (and even then it might not stop). He's calling for females. He's very frustrated because he knows there are females outside and he ca't get to them.

I don't really care if someone wishes to live with a tomcat (though there's no way I'd put a cat through that frustration), provided they keep him indoors so he can't add to the homeless cat problem. But if you choose to do so, then you're CHOOSING to also live with his sexual behaviors. So don't complain about the howling, fighting, or spraying. That's just what tomcats do.

Originally Posted by NorthernGlow

I hope that was a bad joke.

As everyone else already have told, the cat is telling all the neighborhood that he wants to have sex and produce as much offspring as possible, and is luring unspayed females and other unneutered males to your property. And no, most likely he will not stop yowling even if he gets what he wants. I have unneutered males (breeding studs) and they just get worse after they have had their first female. Please get your male neutered, your god has given him to you to take good care of and I highly doubt he/she would want you to let the kitty get too frustrated and suffer.

Originally Posted by Ducman69

Not that hard to understand really. You're mutilating perfectly healthy organs that will produce a very clear observable change in the natural behavior of the animal, and it doesn't pass the "would you allow a parent to do it to their child" test.

You'd never advise a woman to have a complete hysterectomy for example for birth control, and for males it'd be far less invasive to just do a vasectomy.

Personally, I like the behavior change and I know it improves the human/feline relationship and thus makes for a happier household for all, but thats why I am also not opposed to declawing for the same reason on cats whose destructive behavior can't be controlled by other means. What I find odd though are those that are huge advocates of complete sex organ removal, but crusade against and demonize declaws... its like... wait, what?

Originally Posted by AddieBee

First- you have to understand that The Cat Site is pro spay/neuter and anti declaw. It is in the rules when you sign up. So coming here and saying these things is like smacking a hornets nest - unless that is what you intend to do.

Second- the two things are not comparable. It is not just for a harmonious household. Thousands of cats and kittens are destroyed every day in shelters around this country because people didn't get their animals fixed. So PLEASE don't lecture us on here about the removal of sex organs as a means of population control.

Declawing for extreme behavior is just that... extreme. Removing sex organs means no unwanted kittens being stuffed in gas chambers or killed with heart stick... or even the supposely more humane lethal injection. Removing CLAWS on the other hand is mutilation and is done almost always for the CONVENIENCE of the humans involved.

Originally Posted by Ducman69

I am anti-declaw (there is no reason for it for the majority of cats with today's available products) and pro-neuter. But I acknowledge the fact that both are removing perfectly healthy parts of a feline's anatomy. There are safer and less extreme alternatives to COMPLETE sex organ removal to control unwanted breeding just as there are for declawing, but the complete spay/neuter results in a more docile animal which benefits the human-feline relationship (just like... yup). If you take a group of a hundred kitties though, there will be a few that just won't take to typical scratching redirection or allow the application of soft-claws or even clipping without earth shaking drama, and the alternative is usually a return to a shelter and most likely euthanasia.

BTW, not sure if you got what I was saying, but a vasectomy is routine for breeders so a male cat can service a female in heat without producing a litter. It is less invasive surgery, and achieves the same population control.

Originally Posted by AddieBee

Docile??? Then you need to come to my household for a while. While my boys don't "fight" like intact males do over females and territory... they are plenty feisty. Most people are not going to bother with a vasectomy for their cats. Breeders I understand .... however, it's easier and more failsafe to remove the testicles. It's less involved for cats than dogs, where the entire scrotal sac is removed. And what is so bad about making a cat more compatible with a household? It's better than putting the animal outside to fend for itself, kill birds, get hit by a car, become a coyote snack or end up in a high kill shelter because it is spraying.

Frankly, I'm "spayed" and glad I did it. It was medically necessary. And I can assure you I am not DOCILE!!!

Originally Posted by Willowy

I've always said that if I was 100% sure that I would never have kids, and I could get my insurance to pay for it, I'd have myself "spayed". Saves the trouble of everything, and I constantly worry about ovarian cancer. It would be nice not to have to worry about that. So I'm completely in favor of spaying female pets, of all species. Female hormones are nothing special, just annoying.

Though I suppose men can't relate. . . I don't think very many men would volunteer to be "neutered"!

I do think neutering has benefits for male cats, beyond making them more agreeable housepets. I've never met a contented tomcat--they're always prowling, fighting (and constantly scratched up and abcessed), wandering, howling, restless, etc. They just don't seem happy. On the other hand, I do prefer an intact male dog. I will probably have my next male dog vasectomized instead of neutered. The benefits of castration are completely dependent on species.

But, like I said, if that's the choice someone makes to live with an intact animal, they have to accept all the behaviors that go with those hormones, even the bad ones. No fair punishing or getting rid of the pet because YOU made the choice.

Originally Posted by Sherry526

Taken from ASPCA website:

http://www.aspca.org/pet-care/spayneuter
Top 10 Reasons to Spay or Neuter Your Pet

Whether you’ve recently adopted a pet or you’re considering it, one of the most important health decisions you’ll make is to spay or neuter your cat or dog. Spaying—removing the ovaries and uterus of a female pet—is a veterinary procedure that requires minimal hospitalization and offers lifelong health benefits. Neutering—removing the testicles of your male dog or cat—will vastly improve your pet’s behavior and keep him close to home.

Many states and counties have established low-cost spay/neuter programs that make surgery easily affordable and accessible. To find a low-cost program near you, search our Low-Cost Spay/Neuter Provider Database. If you're in New York City, the ASPCA mobile spay/neuter clinic offers free or low-cost spay/neuter surgery for financially needy dog and cat owners with proof of public assistance. Please contact our hotline at (877) SPAY-NYC for a listing of dates and locations in all five boroughs.

Not convinced yet? Check out our handy—and persuasive—list of the top 10 reasons to spay or neuter your pet!

1. Your female pet will live a longer, healthier life.
Spaying helps prevent uterine infections and breast cancer, which is fatal in about 50 percent of dogs and 90 percent of cats. Spaying your pet before her first heat offers the best protection from these diseases.

2. Neutering provides major health benefits for your male.
Besides preventing unwanted litters, neutering your male companion prevents testicular cancer, if done before six months of age.

3. Your spayed female won't go into heat.
While cycles can vary, female felines usually go into heat four to five days every three weeks during breeding season. In an effort to advertise for mates, they'll yowl and urinate more frequently—sometimes all over the house!

4. Your male dog won't want to roam away from home.
An intact male will do just about anything to find a mate! That includes digging his way under the fence and making like Houdini to escape from the house. And once he's free to roam, he risks injury in traffic and fights with other males.

5. Your neutered male will be much better behaved.
Neutered cats and dogs focus their attention on their human families. On the other hand, unneutered dogs and cats may mark their territory by spraying strong-smelling urine all over the house. Many aggression problems can be avoided by early neutering.

6. Spaying or neutering will NOT make your pet fat.
Don’t use that old excuse! Lack of exercise and overfeeding will cause your pet to pack on the extra pounds—not neutering. Your pet will remain fit and trim as long as you continue to provide exercise and monitor food intake.

7. It is highly cost-effective.
The cost of your pet's spay/neuter surgery is a lot less than the cost of having and caring for a litter. It also beats the cost of treatment when your unneutered tom escapes and gets into fights with the neighborhood stray!

8. Spaying and neutering your pet is good for the community.
Stray animals pose a real problem in many parts of the country. They can prey on wildlife, cause car accidents, damage the local fauna and frighten children. Spaying and neutering packs a powerful punch in reducing the number of animals on the streets.

9. Your pet doesn't need to have a litter for your children to learn about the miracle of birth.
Letting your pet produce offspring you have no intention of keeping is not a good lesson for your children—especially when so many unwanted animals end up in shelters. There are tons of books and videos available to teach your children about birth in a more responsible way.

10. Spaying and neutering helps fight pet overpopulation.
Every year, millions of cats and dogs of all ages and breeds are euthanized or suffer as strays. These high numbers are the result of unplanned litters that could have been prevented by spaying or neutering.
(end of website quote)

So, it isn't just to help the stray and overpopulation problem. You can google "spay/neuter cats" and many websites pop up to explain the same message.

To compare it to the reasoning or effects of human hysterectomies and vasectomies, or comparing it to a "would a parent do this to their child" test is ridiculous. As much as people consider their pets as their children, and I am one of them, they are animals with their own biological needs. Those types of comparisons are apples to oranges.

Spay and neuter your pets. Breeders aside, it is the responsible thing to do as pet owners, for your pet's health and well being as well as for the bigger picture, i.e. the rest of the human/animal kingdom that is earth.