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post #1 of 21
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Ok, I have been struggling with my cat for quite a while now... so please bear with me while I explain the situation fully. AND PLEASE OFFER ADVISE! Thanks!

I have had my cat since she was a newborn. Her mother was killed in an accident and I had to bottle feed her and raise her from the beginning. I also have a second cat and two dogs, all living inside with me.

Every once in a while she has been known to poop or pee outside of her box (on bath mats or carpet, etc). But it has never been often and not much of a problem. I would clean up the mess and go about my day.

About 4 months ago we moved into a new house and her problem exploded. She started peeing and pooping on the floor all over the room that her litter box was in. Including just outside the box. I immediately took her in to get a full blood scan and urinalysis and everything came back clean and clear. She is healthy as can be in every way (except perhaps mentally). Since then I have gone through SEVERAL attempts to fix the problem as follows:

1) Lots of love and attention to be sure she was content with life. Cleaning any accidents as soon as I find them with Nature's miracle, or Resolve. Keeping the box spotless and encouraging her to use it.

2) Step 1 didn't help, so I progress to step 2 about 3 weeks later: Behavior modification prescription prescribed by my veterinarian. Just a couple drops of tuna flavored meds each night.

3) Step 2 didn't help, so I progress to step 3 about 2 weeks later: Carpet is thoroughly steam cleaned to remove any odor she might be sensing. The majority of the room is covered with aluminum foil to deter her. Directly outside the box is surrounded with soft puppy pads instead of foil.

4) Damn. Now she can't go in her litter box/dining room unless she goes in the litter box (gasp!). She moves her favored place of soiling into my downstairs den. Still very little luck with the actual box. However my other cat is just an angel and will use the box no matter what.

----AND TO MAKE MATTERS WORSE, ONE OF MY DOGS NOTICED THE URINE IN THE DEN AND NOW THINKS THAT SHE TOO CAN URINATE THERE!--- Now I have to retrain my dog as well!

5) Confinement in the aluminum foiled room with the litter box and a small area to eat and sleep comfortably. No luck. I have two angry-to-be-cooped-up cats and the troublesome one still fails to use the box every time. However she does use it more than before, as there is really little option.

6) Trouble kitty is placed in a "cat condo" crate that has three levels and enough room to have a litter box, food and water, and a couple comfy perches to sleep on. She is here now and VERY unhappy about it. She IS however, using the box exclusively! Hoorah! I let her our supervised for a coupe hours a day as I can. The problem is that I can not keep her in the crate forever. She is a cat that likes space to roam and bask in the sun. I have tried letting her out and she goes right back to soiling outside the box.

Dear God, or anyone who might be able to guide me... I need help! I have spent countless nights with little to no sleep fretting over my sweet kitty. I LOVE this cat and the only additional step I can think of is euthanasia. She is fully declawed and can not go outside. I WILL CONSIDER ANY AND ALL ALTERNATIVES FIRST! I LOVE MY CAT! PLEASE HELP ME!
post #2 of 21
How many litter boxes do you have? Are they covered or uncovered? What type litter are you using? Have you changed litters recently? Have there been any changes, in addition to the move, to your household? Has she been tested for worms and TF?

The first 2 things I'd try, if you haven't already tried them, is adding another box and using a couple of Feliway diffusers. Since the problem got worse when you moved, I'm thinking that she's stressed and it's being expressed with avoiding the box and pooping inappropriately.

Feliway (or Comfort Zone with Feliway) is a pheremone that helps lower the stress level in your home. Each diffuser covers about 600 sq. ft, so depending on the size of your home and the number of floors you have will determine how many plug-ins you need. The plug ins are expensive if purchased in your local pet store, but you can usually find them as well as the refills online at much more reasonable prices. I have an older cat that has stress induced fecal incontinence when she's extremely stressed and she'll poop in weird places. Other than that, she's NEVER had an accident. The feliway helps immensely!
post #3 of 21
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Originally Posted by stephanietx View Post
How many litter boxes do you have? Are they covered or uncovered? What type litter are you using? Have you changed litters recently? Have there been any changes, in addition to the move, to your household? Has she been tested for worms and TF?
We have two litterboxs, both covered. Before we moved, we only had one but I added to second to help the problem. I use clumping litter that I have used for the cat's entire life. There have been no other changes, and yes.. she has been tested for everything under the sun.

I will order some feliway, as I am willing to try anything. Thank you for the advice, I found it on Amazon.com for a reasonable price.

Any other ideas anyone?
post #4 of 21
Have you bought new clean boxes ?
post #5 of 21
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Have you bought new clean boxes ?
One of them is brand new, the other is the same one she has always used (although I did soap and scrub it thoroughly with no positive results).
post #6 of 21
Wht about cat attract litter??? I think there is one called Precious cat cat attract byDr Elseys that is supposed to be very good. I've found it at Petsmart. Its expensive but my kitties love it!!! They love to play in it lol. Also, have you tried leaving one of the boxes uncovered. Maybe she doesnt like the box being covered. Also you might try moving the box to a different location??? Does she soil in a specific spot ??? I would put the box there and add the cat attract litter. Also use the Feliway diffusers.

Good Luck!
post #7 of 21
buy a new UN covered box ... try the cat attract litter( comes in a litter and a additive style...WHat kind of litter are you using?>
post #8 of 21
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buy a new UN covered box ... try the cat attract litter( comes in a litter and a additive style...WHat kind of litter are you using?>
As I've said, I am using the same clumping litter she has used all her life (I can't recall the brand name at the moment). I have tried adding the cat attractant to it. It smells awefull and doesn't seem to reap any benefits for me. I can't really use an uncovered box because my two dogs would then eat everything in the box, get sick, and spread the litter everywhere (yuck, I know). She has no problem with confined areas though, and has previously always happily used the covered boxes.
post #9 of 21
Drucilla- I do suggest trying the Dr Elsey's litter- it is a cat attractant litter not an additive so you will just fill the whole box. I wouldn't even bother mixing it with your old litter.....it worked well for my cats. They love the stuff and immediately upon fill the box they were all fighting to get in it. It smells good too.
post #10 of 21
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Originally Posted by Drucilla View Post
As I've said, I am using the same clumping litter she has used all her life (I can't recall the brand name at the moment). I have tried adding the cat attractant to it. It smells awefull and doesn't seem to reap any benefits for me. I can't really use an uncovered box because my two dogs would then eat everything in the box, get sick, and spread the litter everywhere (yuck, I know). She has no problem with confined areas though, and has previously always happily used the covered boxes.
...You may want to try a different type of litter... I am figuring you use some type of clay clumping?Were your carpets in your new place cleaned professionally prior to you moving in?>
Did you do one or many urinalysis?

Dogs are usually unable to smell cat urine and vise versa ...
post #11 of 21
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...You may want to try a different type of litter... I am figuring you use some type of clay clumping?Were your carpets in your new place cleaned professionally prior to you moving in?>
Did you do one or many urinalysis?

Dogs are usually unable to smell cat urine and vise versa ...
Yes its clay clumping.. little gray pebbles. Wish I could remember the brand name (I'll check when I get home later). But I am willing to try something else.

My carpets were completely replaced just before we moved in (all new carpet everywhere).

We have done oodles of testing on her, I can assure you it isn't a health issue.

Really? I had never heard that about dogs and cats not smelling each others urine. Thats very interesting!
post #12 of 21
I've never heard of that, either. You'd think that both being predators that they'd be able to pick up on other animals scents, including urine, because they hunt. I know I've seen cats sniff trees recently marked by a dog and do the flehming face.
post #13 of 21
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I've never heard of that, either. You'd think that both being predators that they'd be able to pick up on other animals scents, including urine, because they hunt. I know I've seen cats sniff trees recently marked by a dog and do the flehming face.
yeah I've seen that too. Perhaps its a myth? Interesting either way.
post #14 of 21
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yeah I've seen that too. Perhaps its a myth? Interesting either way.
Or maybe altering changes urine scent that much?

Since carpet is involved, though, if there has been a lot of pee spots you may have ruined padding. The stuff can act like a sponge. How old was the carpeting and padding before you moved in? Different padding is made for high traffic areas and such - the more expensive stuff will hold up longer, but eventually the thin plastic layers on the outside of it breaks down and it doesn't block moisture very well. The cheaper the padding the less likely it ever blocked anything. If that happened urine got down into your subflooring where it would be nearly impossible to get the scent out with everything on top of it.
It might require that you investigate bit by rolling the carpet back a few feet.
post #15 of 21
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Or maybe altering changes urine scent that much?

Since carpet is involved, though, if there has been a lot of pee spots you may have ruined padding. The stuff can act like a sponge. How old was the carpeting and padding before you moved in?
We replaced it all. 100% new carpet and padding when we moved in.
post #16 of 21
Hm, odd. How was the subfloor? Had the previous tenets/owners had pets?
post #17 of 21
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Hm, odd. How was the subfloor? Had the previous tenets/owners had pets?
The subfloor seemed fine to me, but I admit I don't know much about it. The previous owners had a really really old dog, I don't really know if it had any accidents or if they even let it inside.

P.S. Thank you everyone for your advice. I couldn't be more grateful for any suggestions that might ultimately save my precious kitties life.
post #18 of 21
I would check the easiest to roll back to urine spot she's made. Just to see the state of things.

It could be possible that their dog peed or that they used to have a cat and it had. Between moving stress and a cat already prone to peeing, she went about her business... on your floor.

I have one that stress pees. She's only partially got the carpet in the den once. It was cleaned up and covered so she no longer had access to it. She never went in the den again. She will however promptly pee on any fabric or rugs on the floor so we simply don't provide the chance. That tends to be the case for some of us with stress peeing cats.
The rest of the house is hardwood, so no worries there.
post #19 of 21
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Originally Posted by strange_wings View Post

It could be possible that their dog peed or that they used to have a cat and it had. Between moving stress and a cat already prone to peeing, she went about her business... on your floor.

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I was thinking the same thing when I read your original post. I've seen where if the subfloors aren't cleaned and an animal soiled heavily that the odor remained. A friend works in construction/tile/carpet, etc. She showed me a carpet called Bliss that actually absorbs and destroys odors. They've a site at www.blissflooring.com if anyone is interested. Anyway, I hope you don't have to pull up carpet and pad to clean subfloor and replace it all but if nothing else works I'd be looking there myself as much as I hate to say it because I know it's expensive.
post #20 of 21
Also, if you've recently purchased a new bag/container of litter, the manufacturer might have changed the formula, which might be upsetting your kitty.

Do you own a black light? They have them at the pet store. At night, turn the lights off and turn on the black light. Walk through your house in the areas where she's eliminating and look for the spots. The spots will show up under the black light and that's where you need to clean the carpet with an enzymatic cleaner such as Nature's Miracle, Zero Odor, or KnockOut.
post #21 of 21
I wonder if you might get the actual Cat Attract litter and a new box, using it besides your current boxes and litter, and see if that helps a bit. I swear by Cat Attract - at least to try.
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